To Swallow or Not to Swallow When Swinging

[Guest]

New here. Just wondering how many of you out there swallow when you are with another partner?

[Greg & Sheryl 368]

Sheryl wouldn't have it any other way.

[Alura 2,757]

Mrs. Alura did. She once remarked, "I always expect to swallow. If I didn't, the guy's cock wouldn't be in my mouth."

[mauijanedoe 1,414]

Mrs. Alura did. She once remarked, "I always expect to swallow. If I didn't, the guy's cock wouldn't be in my mouth."

 

That.

[Guest]

What about STD's? Any concerns? Likelihood is low but is still possible.

[angelkin 1,326]

I don't swallow, I don't take things to that level generally. I want sex and when I was younger, I discovered that an orally satisfied man is less likely to want sex afterwards. That probably isn't the case with men in the swing lifestyle, but I've never really enjoyed swallowing.

[twistedpretzels 100]

Swallow. What's the big deal? It's in my mouth and to me it's always been more fun (and easier) to swallow. I find that it's easy to re-excite a man orally also-- cannot see swinging as any fun if there was no oral (either way)--

[km34 672]

Once again I have to agree with Mrs. Alura.

 

That being said, there was one guy that we played with a few times that I swallowed once and made sure to never make him cum via oral again. It tasted so bitter (due to his diet, no doubt)! I wasn't willing to give oral up entirely with him, but I made sure to only use it as foreplay and not as an orgasm-inducer.

[PB&J 1,085]

Can't swallow, even with PB. Damn gag reflex.

[Alura 2,757]

Once again I have to agree with Mrs. Alura.

 

That being said, there was one guy that we played with a few times that I swallowed once and made sure to never make him cum via oral again. It tasted so bitter (due to his diet, no doubt)! I wasn't willing to give oral up entirely with him, but I made sure to only use it as foreplay and not as an orgasm-inducer.

 

Did the guy smoke tobacco? Laura thought smokers' come tasted bitter.

 

Pussies of women who smoke don't taste as nice either.

[occ 148]

As Alura said, if I am going to put a guy's cock in my mouth, then of course I am going to swallow. I want the complete experience every time.

[bogeyman 28]

Jeez, my wife and I have been together for 33 yrs now and I can count the times she's actually swallowed probably on one hand. The first time she almost gagged to death and it was shortly after I met her when she was 18, essentially had her backed up against the headboard and let one fly so she didn't have much choice other than to accept it. The other...two??...maybe, she was actually more than happy to accommodate. One particular extraordinarily hot and heavy session she actually jumped off after i had cum in her and began frantically going down on me wanted more cum out of it. I vaguely recall one other time...IN 30 PLUS YEARS! So essentially I'm averaging 1 swallow per decade.

[zztx1 18]

For some of us, it is the number one turn on. You feel so vulnerable when you are coming and to have someone swallow is the ultimate experience. Number 2 is a complete deepthroat without swallowing.

[2plus2fun 143]

Swallowing doesn't increase your risk of STDs any more than the actual unprotected oral sex does. So many people we meet in the lifestyle have the completely wrong idea about how STDs are transmitted. You can get all of the same STDs from an unprotected blowjob as you can from unprotected vaginal penetration. It is almost the same risk.

[Alura 2,757]

...You can get all of the same STDs from an unprotected blowjob as you can from unprotected vaginal penetration. It is almost the same risk.

 

My family physician disagrees with this. He told me that there are few "germs" that can withstand the strong chemicals in saliva and stomach acid. The vagina has no such protection.

[mauijanedoe 1,414]

I don't think anyone will argue that oral sex is risk free. However, the risks are lessened. I suspect more swingers than not have done sufficient research to do their own risk assessment about whether to include barriers for oral sex.

[2plus2fun 143]

You CAN get STDs from oral sex... the CDC says so and so does pretty much anyone else. I would say the highest risk is HPV since it is so common and most of the time there are few or little symptoms. I don't understand why you are confused about what I posted other than maybe you disagree with the last sentence.... which is purely semantics. They don't say it is unlikely... they say, quite plainly, that STDs can be transmitted via oral sex... which means that swallowing probably isn't any more of a risk than the original contact.

[2plus2fun 143]

Let me go a bit further... just so we are clear. Anyone that says saliva or stomach acid protect you from STDs is fooling himself. Pure and simple... if that were the case, you wouldn't catch any diseases from not washing your hands. It may kill SOME germs... but it certainly doesn't kill all bacteria and viruses... that is nonsense.

[PB&J 1,085]

And actually, the new, antibiotic-resistant strain of gonorrhea can easily be transmitted through oral sex, when the tip of the penis actually hits the pharynx. I'd link to the Oct 1 New Yorker article, but it's behind a paywall.) In other words, the better a woman (or man) is at deep throating, the higher the risk of transmission.

[Alura 2,757]

From the article:

 

Even though the risk of transmitting HIV through oral sex is much lower than that of anal or vaginal sex, numerous studies have demonstrated that oral sex can result in the transmission of HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs). Abstaining from oral, anal, and vaginal sex altogether or having sex only with a mutually monogamous, uninfected partner are the only ways that individuals can be completely protected from the sexual transmission of HIV.

 

I don't believe this differs much from what my doctor said.

[Alura 2,757]

Let me go a bit further... just so we are clear. Anyone that says saliva or stomach acid protect you from STDs is fooling himself. Pure and simple... if that were the case, you wouldn't catch any diseases from not washing your hands. It may kill SOME germs... but it certainly doesn't kill all bacteria and viruses... that is nonsense.

 

A common way of transmitting the flu is for an individual to cover his mouth with his hand when coughing or sneezing and later shaking hands with another. The victim then rubs his eye with the shaken hand and the "germs" are easily transmitted because the eyes do not have strong chemicals protecting the body. The reason HIV attacked the gay community so ferociously is that the anus also has little protection.

 

The lesbian community is the least affected with HIV. I believe there is something to be learned here.

 

However, nothing is foolproof... including this board.

[2plus2fun 143]

I apologize for any comments that I made that were offensive or brash in my earlier posts. I am a passionate person and sometimes I take that a bit too far. Again, please accept my apologies.

[Guest]

Thanks for all the input. My husband and I are new to this and haven't discussed oral sex yet. Has anyone used oral barriers while giving and/or receiving? If so, does it still feel good? Also, don't forget about herpes. A person with type 1 (oral/lips) can transfer to a partner while giving oral. Wow, all the risks of STD's from oral that I'm reading about are pretty scary, yet so many still do it without protection. Why? Are most people not concerned or just not well enough informed? I think I need to read some of the threads concerning oral and the risk of STD's.

[slevin 1,374]

Thanks for all the input. My husband and I are new to this and haven't discussed oral sex yet. Has anyone used oral barriers while giving and/or receiving? If so, does it still feel good? Also, don't forget about herpes. A person with type 1 (oral/lips) can transfer to a partner while giving oral. Wow, all the risks of STD's from oral that I'm reading about are pretty scary, yet so many still do it without protection. Why? Are most people not concerned or just not well enough informed? I think I need to read some of the threads concerning oral and the risk of STD's.

 

I believe that there are multiple reasons for this:

 

1. Using physical barriers for oral sex is perceived as an unpleasant experience
   
2. The risks of transmitting disease via oral sex are lower than that of vaginal or anal sex
   

 

For the first one it kind of sounds like a claim people would have made about condoms years ago as well. I think the main difference here is that it isn't just a sensation difference. When your mouth is involved there is a lot more feedback to the experience. The texture, taste, sensation all come in to play. That can be a very unpleasant experience for the person giving oral sex, which is likely a big reason it's not more prevalent. That in combination with the fact that when most of us were taught 'safe sex' it was about condoms for penetration. Nothing was said about oral barriers.

 

For the second, the risks are lower. I know that 2plus made a statement that the risks are the same, but that just isn't true. The diseases you can transmit/catch are largely the same, but the risk of infection is different. The transmission rates for oral sex are lower than anal and vaginal sex. This likely has an impact on peoples decision to not use oral barrier protection.

[mauijanedoe 1,414]

Has anyone used oral barriers while giving and/or receiving? If so, does it still feel good? Also, don't forget about herpes. A person with type 1 (oral/lips) can transfer to a partner while giving oral. Wow, all the risks of STD's from oral that I'm reading about are pretty scary, yet so many still do it without protection. Why? Are most people not concerned or just not well enough informed? I think I need to read some of the threads concerning oral and the risk of STD's.

 

I have used condoms for oral sex with men and dental dams and Reynolds Wrap with women. I greatly dislike the taste of condoms and dental dams and won't use them again unless I know my partner has an STI, but Reynolds Wrap is fine for both giving and receiving.

 

I think you'll find that swingers are generally well informed about the risks of unprotected oral sex. I would guess that many of us have done extensive research before making our choices. While the threads here concerning the choices people make and why they make them are interesting and certainly provide food for thought, I'd suggest checking the Center for Disease Control website for actual research.

 

In terms of herpes, it's quite possible to pass HSV1 from mouth to genitals and HSV2 from genitals to mouth, but it is also possible to contract herpes even if you use barriers for penetrative and oral sex, and herpes is frequently asymptomatic, so a visual scan of your partners provides no reassurance. Truly, the only thing that will protect you from STIs is monogamous sex with an uninfected partner. Anything other than that involves some risk.