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  1. 7 points
    This is just a big THANK YOU to our members who are diligent in tagging messages as SPAM. This immediately removes those messages from view and send them to your moderators for proper disposition. The sooner they are hidden from view the better the list reads.
  2. 6 points
    You probably shouldn’t swing together if one of you has no problem continuing fucking someone while their own spouse is drunk, by themselves and vomiting.
  3. 6 points
    Lubricants are essential for even ordinary play among us seniors. While each person/couple will have a personal preference, some observations have stood the test of (our) time. 1. Sex is messy. Sex with lubes is extra messy. The best way to throw caution to the wind is to have a few “sex blankets” around the house (and a travel size one in the “go bag”). We really like the Liberator brand Fascinator Throws. After play, throw it in the wash. Rinse and repeat….!!!! 2. Lubes have a number of bases. Silicone based lubes. Natural oil based lubes(coconut oil for example). Water and glycerin based lubes. We have tried variants of all of them. We think water and glycerin are the best. They cause the least amount of irritation to tender vaginal tissues after play, which means a happier playmate. You will use more of it than you will of a silicone based lube. It’s a better way to go. 3. skip the flavorings and scents. Pussy should not taste like strawberries or cookies and cream or Bailey’s. Pussy should taste like pussy. The additives are going to cause someone a problem. 4. When you open the bottle, use that sharpie to put a date on it. Buy sizes that will last you a couple or three months. Then toss the old stuff and start over. 5. Keep an inventory of a couple of small bottles at home, one unopened in the “go bag”, in its own zip loc baggie. Rotate your stock. 6. If your toys are dishwasher safe, put them in the top rack. It gets the lube off. 7. If you have a Hitachi magic wand or similar non immersible toy, keep a small bottle of mild, no-additive dish detergent in the cabinet below the bathroom sink and a small stack of old clean washcloths. Water plus a little dish detergent in the sink, use the washcloth to clean the toys, then some clear water on the washcloth to get the soap off the toys. Throw the washcloths in with the sex blankets. 8. Don’t spill the lube. If you do, it’s a major headache cleaning up, especially if silicone based. Get a big enough sex blanket. If you spill there, who cares? Hope this is useful. 9. PS. Ladies, next time you are inclined to give a guy a hand job (like maybe tomorrow morning when he wakes up hard?) get the lube out and use a generous amount.
  4. 6 points
    Queen. I was asked to write about this. I mostly leave this for my husband. I do not write much so forgive me. I have always enjoyed cum from a man. I do not know why. As a teenager I think it was fascination. Maybe a little about I made him do that. My husband was the first to give me an orgasm. Other guys made me feel good but it was always a groping of fingers poking before they pushed into me. I was very lucky those days because my first few experiences were without a rubber. He was the first that used a condom. Just lucky I guess. He was also my first bigger guy that kind of scared me some but it was nice. I didn’t know those things come in sizes. I went on the pill and we have been together from 1976. He was very sexual and would have me most every morning and every night sometimes more. I let him have me when he wanted. So all my life with him I have always had his cum in me Lots of it. The many times he would have me twice at night the second time was a little nicer more wet and slippery. Then when we turned forty things changed. He was the same but my horniness went crazy. And my fantasies started to be very wild. So after some talk we started to explore. And I tried everything I wanted. I have had many gangbangs and many men at parties. These parties condoms were used or if we knew them well no condom but they had to pull out and cum on me or in my mouth. But what I loved was having my boyfriends and husband share me. I had three boyfriends long term. One for seven years so I would have husband and boyfriend threesomes one to three times a week. Sometimes my husband and all three boyfriends at once. They all would cum for me where I wanted on me in my mouth or in me. I liked it most inside me. They shared me all afternoon. It does get very messy and they would wipe me down with warm wet facecloths. I had three special events. Three special male friends, my three boyfriends and my husband. Except for a few breaks and clean ups it was an all afternoon and evening sex. They cum in my mouth or inside me. I was very messy. Cum turns to foam with that much and that many fucking you. We would have a round I would make all seven men cum. Would have coffee and a snack and go again. I always felt them in me as a slippery squishy pressure. Regular size and bigger three hubby and two friends are bigger than my shoe size (8) but I felt all of them. I didn’t feel them cum after I was soaked just got wetter. My butt and crotch was slimy and soaked. We thanked the sweets each time. Then take a break and go again. I went three times around with all of them. At some point I sneezed and what a mess. I felt special. I pleased all these men and they wanted me more I felt really good. I had to wear a wash cloth between my legs on the ride home. I was a little achie but could still take my husband the next night. What I loved most was having a man cum in my mouth at the same time as one cumming inside me. I loved that the most but harder to do unless you are with lovers that know what you like and give it to you. I hope this is good enough what you wanted.
  5. 5 points
    If your wife wants to keep it a secret, you should honor your wife's wishes and keep it secret. If that cat is out of the bag, don't let anyone else know. One of our few rules are if one of us says something (or doesn't say something), then we both are in agreement and stick together. We have swinger friends that have met our non-swinger friends, but we don't tell others what they are...they're all just friends at one level or another.
  6. 4 points
    Linda and I just got back from an all day and overnight with great friends. We just have to say that swinging with friends is simply the best.
  7. 4 points
    We have always done swing partners -> friends in that order - until very recently when we did friends -> swing partners for the first time ever and I have to say it went smoothly. I feared it could have been a disaster but it was a total success.
  8. 4 points
    Sounds like the problem stems from drinking in both cases. I agree that a pause in swinging is in order, at least until you two get the booze issue under control. There is a certain unsexyness in a partner that is wasted and praying to the porcelain god.
  9. 4 points
    Instead of trying to make swingers out of friends, we also make friends out of swingers. Nothing like having friends that you can talk about anything to...and clothing is always optional!
  10. 4 points
    I would agree with Billygoat. If you are not technically 'swingers', you're right on the cusp. I wouldn't worry about it. Unless, of course, you're looking for the official certificate. In that case, we're going to have to consult the Rules Officials . . .
  11. 4 points
    After a week at a house vacation with a large group it’s not only men who watch. I’m not a voyeur normally, I don’t need to watch anyone including my husband have sex but one night we cheered on two women with the men giving oral. I left my shy self behind and laughed and enjoyed with the crowd.
  12. 4 points
    When we opened our marriage my Angel joined an extramarital site and found it very easy to find men willing to no attachment affairs. My play was limited to a few business trip affairs that was limited because of Covid limiting travel time. Where she was out often my play was based on her setting up dates through her connections. I can’t say I struggle finding dates we decided to sign me up for my own account on the site she is on which is much more expensive for men. She is much better in filtering out the scams and finding some very eager married women for my meetings. I’m always skeptical of the motives of women on the site yet have found women are no different from men on the site just wanting more. It works for us because we are open, talk and understand the freedom.
  13. 4 points
    You should tread carefully. She may be giving you an “it’s fine.” To see if you’ll go for it. Communication is key and if this a test and you fail, could seriously harm your relationship. single women are unicorns. You can’t swing a dead cat without hitting a single guy looking to fuck. you have to bring your A game. Hygeine and taking care of yourself is way up there. A huge dong can’t hurt. Most of the couple profiles I’ve seen looking for single guys wants 8+ and in shape. most of all, single guys need to know what a woman or couples want, know their place, and don’t cross boundaries. you need to be able to communicate with both people and be sincere. If you think that “hey girl, you are so hot…blah, blah, blah” unlikely to get anywhere. Ignoring hubby or making him insecure won’t either. Cuckold porn is hot but unsure how often it plays out in real life. but starting out, you should try any of the many lifestyle sites. Become a paid member, have something interesting to say and post pics (not your dick). Depending on where you live, some parties host single guys but not all. I would suggest neighboring town to avoid running into anyone you might know. Even if your wife is cool with it, she may not be cool with friend, family, coworkers finding out.
  14. 4 points
    We had met Darrell and Judy at a swingers house party that we used to attend way back when we first started in the lifestyle. We have been involved for about a year and a half, and we met a lot of great people and played with some. Although we were very friendly with this younger couple, we hadn’t played. We had been in the same room together, in the open room, but never really discussed or talked about getting together physically in our conversation. At the last party, they had learned that I had a service business, something they might be interested in. They asked if I might be able to come by the following Sunday morning when they’re both home and go over some of the things they wanted to have taken care of. Darrell asked that I arrive early on Sunday morning, so I was there about 10 minutes ahead of time, parked in the driveway. Darrell came out on the porch and waved me to come on it. It was about 8 o’clock. We went into his kitchen, and he poured me a mug of coffee. After we chatted for a few minutes, he started to describe some of the things that he wanted done. He also mentioned that Judy was still asleep but should be down shortly. After about 15 to 20 minutes of casual conversation, you could hear movement, with someone coming down the stairs. A sleepy voice called out, “Honey, I need my morning dose.” Darrell responded, “Here in the kitchen, babe, we have company.” Judy shuffled in wearing her pink fuzzy slippers and an oversized men’s T-shirt, her breast swinging freely underneath the fabric. She mumbled a sleepy, “Oh, good morning,” as she headed for the pot of coffee on the counter. Darrell and I continued chatting away as Judy prepared her mug of coffee and joined us at the table. Darrell explained to her that we had already discussed their needs and that I had come up with a couple of suggestions that I would get back to them on. Judy sat quietly, taking it all in, sipping at her coffee, gazing between Darrell and myself through the rising steam of her mug. The conversation then turned to the usual general talk about what we’ve been up to, what they’ve been up to, work, etc. Darrell got up to pour another cup of coffee. As he passed Judy, she mumbled, “I need my dose, babe.” He just shook his head. I wasn’t really sure what all this meant. I assumed some sort of medication, but who knows? As Daryl returned with his coffee, he stood over Judy, bent down as she looked up, gently kissed her forehead, and said, “Honey. You wrecked me last night. I have nothing left to give.“ Now I had a good idea what they were talking about and must’ve given myself away with a muffled chuckle. “She can be quite the demanding vixen, “said Darrell. “She kept me up half the night, and I’m all tapped out.” Judy looked at me with a very mischievous smile on her face. Darrell looked down at Judy and said, “If you need more, you’re gonna have to get it from him,” Daryl stated, tipping his head in my direction. I have to say this took me by surprise. As I said before, we have not played yet other than sharing the same area in a group room. I did not know what to say just sat quietly with probably a very silly looking grin on my face not sure if I should respond or not. Judy is the one who broke the silence. “Hmm I think I would like that very much if he is willing” again a moment or two of awkward silence when Derek stated “buddy you’d be doing me a favor I need a break.” Now I will be honest: Judy is a very good-looking woman 15 years my junior, about five foot eight, with an hourglass figure, long brunette hair, and large full breasts. To say I was attracted to her, you’re damn right. I just was not expecting this situation and did not want to overstep my bounds. “Well?” Darrell asked. “Really?” I asked. “Please. She has been talking about you since the last party. She is very willing,” Darrell persisted. “She sucks me off just about every morning. I got nothing left.” Judy smiled and giggled. I quietly thanked myself for showering this morning. “I just need to make a quick phone call to check in at home, but I would have to say I’m greatly interested and would be happy to oblige.” Judy let out a squeal of glee, clapping her hands in front of her, and I could not ignore the shaking of her breasts underneath the thin T-shirt. I made a quick call to the Queen, stating what was going to happen, and she responded, “Good luck, enjoy yourself, be home by 1 o’clock. We have plans this afternoon.” I put my phone down on the table, looked up at Darrell, and Judy smiled and said, “Well, I guess I’m free.” Judy took a sip of her coffee, turned her chair to the side and asked me to come stand in front of her. Once there, she did not waste any time unbuckling my belt and jeans, pulling them down to my knees. In one motion, she pulled my boxers down and buried her face fully against my flaccid cock and balls, sniffing deeply. She rocked her head from side to side and softly murmured a gentle “mmmm” of approval. After nuzzling me a bit, she gave me two gentle kisses, and using only her tongue, she swept my soft cock into her mouth. I looked over to Darrell to see he had a big grin indicating to me he liked what he saw Judy doing. I relaxed a bit more. Looking down at Judy she had her eyes closed. She was rolling me around inside her mouth with her tongue. Then she sucked hard and gently bobbed her head a few times, then took me completely into her mouth again. She was making soft, guttural moans as she continued attacking me. “She really loves doing this,” Darrell stated. I did not respond other than a sigh on my part. Judy continued working me with her mouth, and I started to respond to her efforts. As I started to swell, she took less and less of me into her mouth. She started stocking me with her hand and mouth. After a short time, she “popped” the head of my cock out of her mouth. “Oh my,” she said as she stroked me with her two hands, “I didn’t expect this.” She gasped, then took the remaining length of my cock beyond her two fists in her mouth. “Dude,” exclaimed Darrell, “do you mind if I take pictures of Judy with that?” I could only nod my head in approval; I didn’t want to break the mood. Darrell fumbled with his phone and started taking pictures. Judy, with just the tip of me in her mouth, hands-free. And then one of my full length from her chin to her forehead. “Damn,” Darrell stated, happily clicking away. Judy used one hand to stroke me while sucking on my balls. Darrell had the sound activated on his phone, and there were times it rapidly stuttered as he excitedly took multiple pictures as Judy skillfully continued the assault on my full erection. She tried to take more of me in her mouth but could only manage about half of me before her gag reflex kicked in, and she loudly gasped, popping me out of her mouth and sucking in a large amount of air while stroking with one, then both hands. Every now and again, she would run her tongue from my balls and under the length of my cock, sinking as much of me as possible into her mouth. At some point, the shutter noise on Darrell’s phone stopped. I wasn’t sure when, but he continued to move the phone camera around Judy’s head and shoulders, I assume taking video. After several minutes of this, although I’m not very sure of the time, Judy stopped. “Let’s go in the living room.” I kicked off my sneakers and pants and, with her holding my cock in her hand, led me into their living room to a sectional couch and had me sit on an oversized ottoman. She took a pillow from the couch and knelt on it in front of me. She resumed stroking me. One-handed, two-handed, then into her mouth. Shallow, deep, gagging a bit, then back to stroking. Time drifted away as I was enjoying every moment of her efforts. “Tell her when you are ready to cum so I can get a closeup,” instructed Darrell. Again, no answer from me other than nodding my head. Judy continued vigorously, trying to get me to cum. She rested occasionally, stroking my length with her two hands. After a bit of time, I heard her ask Darrell, “Can I try this? I really want to try him.” “Hell yeah,” Darrell exclaimed. “Is that ok with you?” he asked me. “Sure,” I responded. Judy is still working on me. “Only cum in her mouth,” Darrell instructed. I mumbled an “ok” in agreement. Judy told me to lay back on the ottoman as she stood stripping off the tee shirt. Her breasts swung freely, jiggling with her every movement. I expected that I would be given a condom or she might roll one on me, but instead, she turned away from me and started to lower herself onto me reverse cowgirl. Seeing my concern, Darrell assured me it would be okay if I was okay with it. I agreed. My crotch was soaked with Judy’s saliva. I watched with eager anticipation as she positioned herself over me. Darrell was giving her some instruction so he could get his video of her lowering herself onto me. I witnessed a few rivulets trickling down her inner thighs. She grasped my cock with her hand and rubbed the end of it along her lips while slightly lowering herself back and forth but not penetrating. After a few moments, I felt her start to take me in. She gasped and stopped for a moment, then repeated, taking me out, rubbing me back in. God, she felt great. Judy shifted herself slightly, still holding my cock. She guided me back into her opening, taking just the head of me into her. After a brief pause, she lifted her hips up a little and then backed down a little further. A few strokes and then a little more. Each time she did this, shallowly stroking what she had in her, she would slowly take a little more. With each deeper penetration, her body would gently quiver a bit. “Damn, this is hot”! Darrell blurted out. If he thought what he saw was hot he should see this from my angle. Damn is right. I do not think either of us were aware of time. There was no rush, no frenzied groping or pumping. Judy was in complete control as it should be, all about her pleasure, her comfort. It wasn’t long before I was completely embedded inside the warmth of this woman. Using her body to stroke me, she would take me shallow, then deep strokes, occasionally stopping, deeply penetrating, and grinding on me, almost like dancing on me with her hips. I could hear her murmuring something from time to time, but I didn’t make out what she was saying. I was too engrossed with what she was doing to me. After a while, she stood, releasing my cock. She turned, facing me, and straddled my waist. Grasping my cock she guided me into her, and she settled completely on my cock. “Damn babe, do that again,” Darrell, now directing this video. I didn’t care at all; I was thoroughly enjoying myself. He directed her to rise up almost off me the slowly back down. I was lost in her breasts hanging down on me, her nipples brushing along my chest with her rocking motion. Judy’s breathing was quickening with the occasional moan. I loved stroking her breasts, using both hands to hold and squeeze while my mouth teased and pulled on her nipples. She started to ride me harder for a while, stopping every so often with full penetration, wiggling her hips. Once she started raising herself completely and then slamming herself back onto me, taking full, deep strokes, I started to feel that I was getting there. “I need you to take me,” mumbled Judy as she raised herself off of me. I stood, and she knelt on the ottoman. I accepted the offer of taking her from behind, but I took my time. Partial and shallow strokes, then slowly pushing in deep. Gauging that she was comfortable with this, I spread her cheeks apart with my hands, went as deep as possible, and paused. With each deep penetration and pause, she would gasp slightly and pump and grind against me. I’m not sure who was breathing more excitedly, Judy, me, or Darrell, who was totally lost in videoing and watching through the lens. He had swapped out his phone for a handheld video camera at some point, but I am not sure when. I hadn’t noticed. Judy set the pace. She started bucking back onto me hard and solid. I took the hint and picked up the pace, slamming back into her with full deep strokes. Her verbal jerky breathless “aaahhhs” and “oohhhs” excited me and Darrell. He was moving around us videoing from various angles commenting as he goes. Judy announced we had to stop. I was concerned if she was ok. She was; she just wanted to be on her back. She grasped my hand and, giggling, pulled me quickly down the hall, with Darrell a step behind me, to a bedroom. She sat on the bed and quickly took me into her mouth, running her tongue along my length. She laid back her butt on the edge of the bed, pulling me to her. “Fuck me hard,” she said, “but I want you to cum in my mouth.” I nodded that I understood. I position myself between her raised legs. She pulled her legs back and wide open, bent at the knees. I leaned in, pressing myself against her opening, grasping each breast in my hands. Bending to nuzzle and suck on her nipples made me enter her partially, making Judy wriggle a light and let out an audible sigh. I squeezed both breasts together and alternated between each nipple as I started to push deeper inside her. She wiggled her hips, trying to press onto me. Once fully penetrated, she ground herself on me. After a few minutes, I raised myself above her and started slowly pumping into her. I alternated shallow pumping with a few deep full strokes and, from time to time, pressing deep into her and just grinding against her. It seemed to excite her, judging by her body response and breathy moans. “Fuck me hard,” she said, “take me hard!” Our director shouted the same, “Pound her hard!” Placing a hand on each thigh to hold her legs open and back, I started a steady thrusting, alternating occasionally slamming against her hard. Judy responded with pleasing moans. She fondled and squeezed her breasts and then gathered them both on her chest, cradled by both her upper arms. Her breasts rocked and waved with each thrust. It was marvelous. I was desperately trying to keep the same pace. Judy traced her fingers over her lower tummy, bringing both over the top of her pubic mound. Her fingers, finding her sweet spot, started vigorously rubbing above her clitoris. I continued to piston in and out of Judy. Her mouth opened, and her breathing sounded labored. After a few minutes, she started to make a soft-pitched whimpering noise. I continued to thrust hard into her. Only slightly withdrawing, then slamming back into her, making her whole body jerk, her breasts jolting about with each impact. Her whining noise was getting a bit higher and louder, and then it hit. She suddenly sucked in a big breath of air, her head picked up off the bed, a long guttural moan that ended on a high note. “Aarrggeeeee!” Then, her back arched as she slammed her head back, followed by rapid breathing and intermittent uncontrolled giggling. I felt her contraction, an intense gripping of my cock as she climaxed. I slowed to a slow, deliberate, full-stroke penetration. I knew I was very close. I declared, “I’m going to cum!” and pulled out of Judy and stepped back. Judy slinked off the bed to her knees on the floor. I was pumping my cock by hand. Judy pushed it aside and started to rapidly jerk my cock by hand. “Cum for me, come on, cum” Judy repeated this a few times as the build-up reached its peak. I moaned low and loud. The first volley went across her open mouth and right cheek. The next, she aimed me directly into her mouth. Third and forth, under her chin and neck, the remaining small spurts and drops landed scattered over her breasts. “Wow, oh my god!” Judy squealed excitedly. Darrell was beside himself with excitement. Other than the pictures and videos they made themselves, this was the first video allowed with someone other than Darrell. He said, “This is crazy sexy, hot as hell”! The clock in the bedroom indicated we had been at this for about 90 minutes. A first for all of us. But to be fair, a hell of a lot of manual and oral play, stop and start, prolonged it all. Judy agreed, reached over, and pulled Darrell to her. She quickly pulled down his sweatpants and promptly took his cock in her mouth. I picked up their video camera and started videoing the two of them. Judy had Darrell hard in just a few seconds. She made an extra effort to lavish his cock with her mouth, bobbing her head up and down and then swallowing him whole. She then pulled him down on top of her. He quickly slipped inside her and started hammering away with Judy, encouraging him along, “Take me baby, fill me up!” From my view, I had a clear shot of him pumping his cock in and out of her. With her telling him to take her hard, cum for her, and watching the two of us for the past hour and a half, he had no hope of lasting very long. He started groaning, Judy telling him to fill her. He let out a bellow and started cumming inside her. I caught the whole thing on video. His pumping and cumming. His cum leaking around his cock out of her. And when he pulled out, the cum leaked out of her. When things calmed down, he viewed the video and couldn’t believe how hard he came and how much he gave her. Judy chimed in, “And you said you didn’t have anymore, holding out on me.” We didn’t get dressed. We went into the kitchen and talked about what had just happened and past swinging adventures. About an hour later, Judy walked over to me and asked if I could go again. I looked at Darrell, and he quickly shook his head yes. “If you can, that would be awesome”. I agreed. We walked back to the bedroom and climbed up on the bed. We kissed and fondled each other a little bit. I then positioned myself on my left side and maneuvered Judy on her back with her legs up and over my hip. I easily slipped my semi-soft cock inside her. She was very warm and wet from Darrell. My hands were free to caress and squeeze her breasts. Darrell switched between videoing and kissing Judy. He occasionally played and sucked on her breasts. I slowly pumped a little into Judy. After a few moments, she exclaimed, “I can feel you growing inside me,” and giggled in amazement. Once I was fully hard I changed position to a supporting missionary. Using my knees to keep Judy’s legs open and my arms keeping me up to watch and nibble on her breasts. I started slow, long thrusts and built up to harder, faster, full-length thrusts. In about fifteen minutes, I was pulling out and dribbling cum on her tummy. Judy sat up and slid down, taking me into her mouth, making an effort to suck and lick me clean. It was almost noon, and I had to run to get home on time. We promised each other we would get together soon, all four of us. And that we did. They joined our group and played once or twice a month at our parties. We also traveled and shared very often for 4 - 5 years. Then, they moved to New Mexico for Darrell’s work.
  15. 3 points
    I think you're wrong there. My wife, and a number of other women I've talked to, have been hot to go with a guy, then decided not to when he showed himself to be arrogant or shifty. And my wife let herself be talked into a good time with a guy who engaged her mind.
  16. 3 points
    You say this is new to you after several years. Is this divergence manifest in other areas of your life? It might be a good time to do an in depth assessment both individual and as a couple. Somehow this looks more like a symptom than the problem.
  17. 3 points
    Having great friends is great. Having swinging partners is great. Having great swinging partners who become great friends is greater than the sum of its parts.
  18. 3 points
    Some instruments are longer than others. 😆
  19. 3 points
    There have been times when I've heard my wife moaning with other men and thought "who is making that noise?" Just to turn around and see it's my own wife 😄
  20. 3 points
    Who cares it is just a title that has different meanings to different people that use it! There is no special badge of honour for it. We have known people that do swap with others that do not like to use that title. Just live your life the way you want and don’t worry about it.
  21. 3 points
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't ALL of Arizona "beach"...just no ocean? 😁
  22. 3 points
    Nine years and still getting those feelings. My pre trip excitement, anticipation, fear, self doubt, and always that fear of guilt. We always talk before any meeting, we reassure, we encourage to enjoy, he always reminds me to throw away guilt. He leaves all the options open, from going to our friends or not going. He emphasizes that we can always cut our trip short if I want. My husband is wonderful, I have no doubts that I have the best every day. I know he looks forward to these meetings, I suppress my feelings of jealousy, something that has been easier with each meeting. We always have the After talk. I feel I tell him more of my feelings, he gives less specifics. Part of my guilt is not including my husband in most of my play, I after all this time enjoy private sex. Even with all the very open play at this getaway, including me, my most exciting times were behind closed doors. Admittedly the biggest guilt feeling was telling my husband about my overnight with a couple, something I’m sure he would have wanted to be part of.
  23. 3 points
    Well, first of all, a couple of housekeeping rules: Put some punctuation in your posts, it makes it a lot easier to read. And please don't post the same question in multiple forums. Now, as far as discretion. If you don't want your friends to know, simply don't swing with or around your friends, and don't talk about it. Keep your swinging activities separate from your social and business life. But, since you've already told your friends (if I read your post correctly,) well, the cats already out of the bag. If that's true, I don't see what your question is. The people you meet in the LifeStyle, at clubs, house parties or on-line, are usually just as interested as you are in keeping their secrets. I wouldn't worry about your partners discretion.
  24. 3 points
    It is hard to explain my emotional feelings or the reasons I have them. I never prepared myself to have sex outside our marriage until it happened. Our original swap was private, I didn’t watch him, he didn’t watch me, I quickly removed all thoughts of infidelity until the next morning. My original guilt was thinking how much I enjoyed that first night, a feeling we discussed and was reassured that we did nothing wrong. We don’t swing or swap often, the majority of our extra relationships have been one to one, we have our favorite friends far enough away that we are not together often. The guilt I felt last week was me thinking I had sex with more different people in one week than I had in my entire life before that. I had sex with strangers I just met, I didn’t even have a connection with. I know nothing about them as I am sure they know nothing about me. Possibly the guilt was enjoying too much.
  25. 3 points
    I liked that we stayed in the USA even if Arizona has some crazy laws that are so backwards. A beach vacation is our preference but Arizona is gorgeous too and we got to do some exploring. I will say we were pretty isolated that made me feel safe from peeping eyes and then nervous because we didn’t know everyone there. It ended up a perfect vacation with a little guilt on my mind.
  26. 3 points
    OP... Really?? Not in our experience. Troll much?
  27. 3 points
    One guy in our group said that he liked it when his wife was sucking dick, any dick, because it gave him a break from her talking.
  28. 3 points
    We agree. Amy’s response is thoughtful. We wonder, though, whether the correspondent has a grasp on the full dimension of the question. Some years ago, we posted an essay on the topic here at SB. It still seems reasonably fresh and on point. If we knew the original questioner, we would invite both him and is wife to read it as a prelude to a kitchen table conversation. Perhaps someone can refer this to Amy and back to the original correspondent.
  29. 3 points
    Amy's response is very thoughtful. I think husbands who agree to open their marriage should understand that their wives will have considerably more success at finding partners than they will. We have seen instances where a seemingly shy and reserved wife suddenly develops a vibrant social life, going on dates and even some travel with high caliber men while the husband, if not wealthy, struggles to find any one to date at all. The imbalance can be very upsetting.
  30. 3 points
    Back in the 'golden age' of porn (80s-90s), there pretty much was only one option and that was to be a star in porn movies. There were no other alternatives, and if you didn't become a star, you were already close to the end of your rope. Also, social pressure, society, and stigmas cause more than a few porn stars who more often felt either trapped by situations or due to the abundance of drugs and the party culture of the time, to turn to drugs and alcohol as a crutch. These days, there are so many different options to make money in porn, it no longer is a 'do or die' proposition. There are still movies, but now there are dozens of other choices, and all of them can be profitable if you are looking to make money with it. Probably the biggest is Only Fans and other similar sites, but there is also personal websites, subscription services, selling adult products, streaming, photography, audio, 'custom' (making something for a specific kink or specific person), VR, erotic stories, and many others. Revenues of the adult industry are difficult to determine, but a 1970 federal study estimated that the total retail value of hardcore pornography in the United States was no more than $5 million to $10 million. But by 2011, pornography was becoming one of the biggest businesses in the United States and in 2014, the porn industry was believed to bring in at least $13 billion a year. As of 2023, the global porn industry made over $97 BILLION dollars and it is expected to exceed $120 billion in 2024. People are no longer looking at porn as a last resort, but in many times, a first resort. Kaden Kross was attending Sacramento State University (as a psych major) when she quit school to become a 'porn star'. She later moved behind the cameras to become a director of porn movies. There are constant stories in the news of women and couples making 6 figures on Only Fans and other similar sites, in addition to their day jobs. I think the bigger problem here is when something...anything, becomes an addiction. Be it drugs, alcohol, porn or anything else. To much of anything can easily end up being a bad thing...for both the creator and the consumer.
  31. 3 points
    Some couples have arrangements like that. Are you thinking about doing it and are you really sire she's OK with it?
  32. 3 points
    Ok, as promised, on Thursday night we had our first experience with sloppy seconds. I'll try do describe it as best I can. To start with, I made the mistake of having both guys start and finish with me, also with a little girl time beforehand. It was their desire to make the night "about me" but by the time it was Mr. S's turn, I was already starting to feel a little sore. Anyway, like Numex suggested, there should've been some warm up time with Stacey first. As such, when my husband was in me with Dave's cum already inside, I had a hard time feeling him. There was a ton of lubrication, and honestly, there were moments when it was hard to tell there was a cock inside me at all - no, that's not right. More like, it was hard to tell how big or hard. I'm not sure, really. Hard to describe other than it was different, and were it not for the look in Mr. S's eye, and the hotness I felt, I may have preferred a different scenario. (I'm very clitoraly stimulated). I found myself working my kegels extra hard, and even bearing down, which when I orgasmed, I squirted like a fountain. Mr. S told me later I was much more vocal than usual, but I don't remember that. After both guys were finished, the plan was for Stacey to go down on me, but she said she couldn't do it. Between the two guys and my squirting, I guess I was a mess down there. Instead, she straddled my face and I gave her oral and I fingered myself. It was then that I realized what I missed - in my professional life, I'm in the film industry, and a very visual person. One of the things I love about sex is watching men cum. My husband kinda squirts his out in clumps, and I love to milk him to get every last drop. Dave is a shooter, and his cum is thinner. I love to watch the cum drip on my body, and touch it, play, etc... So when both guys cum inside, it took away that thrill of it for me. All in all an amazing feelilng that my husband would do that for me, and another couple we're just getting to know was interested in making my night special. That to me was the hottest part of it all. However, I have to say that when we were finished, I cried, and couldn't stop. I'm still processing these emotions, and can't really describe why. I'm wondering if anyone else has felt that way after sex?
  33. 3 points
    Personally We prefer home videos/pics, amateur video/pics of mature real couples, singles and groups/swingers. Unexpected results, surprises, reactions etc. commercial porn is ok and typical…..often boring, at least for us. However; The revenue from the global porn industry is $100 billion and is expected to increase to $117 billion in 2030. The revenue from the US porn industry is $13 billion. In comparison: the NFL generated revenue of around $12 billion in 2022, and Netflix generated revenue of around $31 billion in 2022. How do porn sites make money: 70% of revenue comes from ads (banners & aff. links), 20% of revenue comes from subscription plans (live webcam, premium, etc.), and 10% of revenue comes from online porn games. Definitely increases sexual imaginations for most. Definitely increases skill sets. ‘Definitely provides out of proportion expectations. Because of our anti sex industry views making sex, sex industry and those (women more than men) negative, societal disgusted point of views. Except for those who watch porn secretly those who make money are looked down on as broken disgusting people (again, women more than men) and against the law in many cases, especially offering sex for cash. We prefer an organized legal sex industry including paid services. There is a great line in the movie Private Benjamin by Goldie Hawn “….I’m a housewife we give it away”. Sadly this is our collective acceptance/attitude towards women and sex.
  34. 3 points
    It makes one think why we enjoy watching anything. I only enjoy if she is enjoying.
  35. 3 points
    This all started around forty years ago when my wife Beth and I had dated for a few years then married. It wasn't long after we married that I introduced her to her first big realistic porn star dildo. When she first saw it she laughed and said, "That'll never fit in my pussy, are you nuts?!" But she agreed to trying and found not only did it fit but she really enjoyed it. She was amazed by how much she enjoyed it. So much so that she requested I use it on her quite a lot. She also discovered she enjoyed big cock porn, she was fascinated by it. Soon was I combining using a huge dildo on her at the same time she watched big cock porn, this led her to experience huge orgasms. She couldn't get enough. She was finally exploring her sexuality and expanding her outlook on sexual pleasure. One night after some really hot sex I questioned her if she ever fantasized about fucking other men, especially well-hung men. She responded that of course she did, stated that most women had this fantasy, and she believed it was quite common. So I pursued it further and asked her if she wanted to try another man's cock and how much did she really desire to do it? She said that it sounded exciting and fun but she would never do anything to endanger our marriage. I said, "What if I told you that I wanted to watch you have sex with another man, one that had a really big cock. Would you then consider it?" She laughed and said she'd be game if it was something I was serious about and really wanted her to do. She said, "Come on, let's be real. It's exciting and fun to imagine it, but to really do it? Please! That's a major game changer." So I said, "I'm very serious. I've watched the way you enjoy the dildos especially while watching big cock videos. It turns me on big time seeing how excited you get and how many times you climax from doing these two things at the same time. I want to watch you do it for real. No BS, just watching you getting slammed by a big cock would be a huge turn-on for me. So what do you really think now that you know that I'm serious and am giving you this opportunity?" I could see her giving it some serious thought, she didn't get mad or upset at me or the idea, no resistance whatsoever to my request. The more she considered the idea the more it appeared to me that she was very intrigued with the idea and it excited her. She started asking all kinds of questions, like wouldn't I be jealous, or think the worst of her, or what if she really enjoyed it and wanted more or didn't feel comfortable screwing another man, then what? Were there any rules and what were the consequences? Was I absolutely sure that I really wanted her to do this, because once done there was no going back! After she finished asking everything she had concerns about I answered all her questions and we talked about the rules/boundaries we would have in place to keep it fun and exciting without any reservations or guilt. This was to make sure she fully understood my concerns and alleviate all of hers as well. It seemed she came to a decision at which point she smiled and enthusiastically said yes, she'd do it! Did I have someone special in mind she wondered? She said she had to agree to my choices for her sexual escapades or it wasn't gonna happen. I then informed her I was thinking of Bruce. Beth squealed with glee, she admitted she has had fantasies about Bruce for some time now and I couldn't have picked a better choice for her first time. She would absolutely love to fuck Bruce. She said she was getting wet thinking about sex with him. A few days later I met up with Bruce for an after work drink. As we enjoyed several drinks we talked a lot. Soon I steered the conversation towards my wife Beth. I asked Bruce to be honest and tell me what he thought about Beth. He admitted he thought Beth was smokin' hot. She had a killer body and was just gorgeous, always was friendly, and liked flirting with him when they were together. I asked him if he' ever had the chance would he consider having sex with her? He looked a bit concerned by my question but answered yes, he wouldn't hesitate to take advantage of such an opportunity. So I told him that Beth really wanted to have sex with him, and that I was okay with them hooking up. I explained that was my kink watching her get fucked by other men, it really turned me on. Bruce considered it for several minutes then said okay sure, he'd love to fuck Beth. Just give him the details when we're ready to make it happen. When I got home I told Beth about my conversation with Bruce and what he said. She looked startled and said she couldn't believe I did that. So I asked her if what I did was so wrong and did she still want to go through with it? She excitedly said Oh hell yes she did, and no I wasn't wrong! So we made plans and set a date for Beth's first cock. The night arrived finding Beth both excited and hot with anticipation. She was dressed to kill showing off her sexy body wearing no underwear. When Bruce knocked on the door I answered it and escorted him into our house. Beth entered the living room and gave Bruce a big hug pressing her chest and pelvis into him and then kissed him on the lips. Bruce kissed her back and he sat down pulling her on to his lap. Nether one of them wasted any time, tongues going everywhere, hands exploring and groping each other, clothes coming off. Soon they were both naked and Beth got a pleasant surprise, Bruce was very well hung. She giggled with delight. Beth took Bruce's hand and led him to our bed. She pushed him down on the bed and went to work on Bruce's big cock giving him an enthusiastic blow job. After a while Bruce flipped Beth on her back and went to work on her pussy and clit. Beth orgasmed in minutes, fully enjoying Bruce's skilled tongue. I stood in the background watching the show. Soon Bruce moved into position between Beth's legs. As he rubbed his cock against Beth's open pussy and clit she responded with loud moans and started pressing her pussy against Bruce's cock. As he slid his huge cock into Beth's pussy she had a big climax. As he went deeper he increased his speed and Beth climaxed again. She was enthralled with his big cock pumping her pussy, she was moving her hips and swearing, telling him his cock felt so good. She looked over at me and said she loved how good his big cock felt inside her. She told Bruce to stretch her pussy good, to fuck her hard. She was in sexual ecstasy, a place she'd never been before. Her facial expressions showed pure bliss and the sounds she was making were hot as hell. I never seen her so turned on, she must of had a dozen orgasms, many of which were huge. They fucked each other hard for a good twenty minutes then Bruce erupted into Beth's pussy, filling her with his cum. This gave Beth another climax. Afterwards he laid on Beth for a minute then rolled off her. He'd destroyed her pussy, it gaped open with his cum dripping out of her. They kissed and he got up to dress while Beth laid there spent. She looked at me and smiled big time. She said, "Your turn!", so I took sloppy seconds and enjoyed it beyond belief. Bruce watched us have sex then commented that watching real sex was so much hotter than any porno ever could be. He understood my enjoyment of watching my wife fuck other men. He said he'd like to do it again and Beth was all for it. So they made plans to hook up again. Then Bruce left. Beth and I talked about how well things went, and how she wasn't prepared for how much she enjoyed his big cock. It was mind boggling! She thanked me profusely for asking her to do this, the opportunity to experience such awesome sex. She says she'll never be the same again and is looking forward to more big cock sex. So our new lifestyle began.
  36. 2 points
    First thing I would do is put a hold on swinging until you two can get back on track with communication! Not sure why if you had a problem with what happened with this guy you chose to play again with him so soon? Taking a break should not be an issue if you two truly love each other and are committed to your life together. As far as rules being broken that is not cool, but at the same time some rules are pretty hard not to break. No kissing is one I will never understand. Without it there is no sex for the two of us. Don’t believe it is any more intimate then putting your mouth on someone’s sex organs. If people are not aloud to fully enjoy their sexual experience’s with others what is the point of doing it? Insisting on condom use is legit and should be followed. It is both of you that have a chance of a lifelong STI if one of you is careless. As already said drinking can be a problem and makes people do stupid things. Maybe best to avoid it if you can’t control it. Do you need to have sex with others atm or do you need to be in a stable loving relationship?
  37. 2 points
    Hubby and I recently went to a place called Paradise Lakes Resort near Tampa, Florida....in Lutz, Florida. Actually we stayed there before the last Big Nude Cruise. We were just looking for a place that had vacancy where we could stay nude before the cruise. They have a lifestyle friendly clubhouse there that is awesome! On the weekends they have like a sex dungeon that is open to couples only. There are little partitioned areas but you can still see everything that is going on. There are sex swings, all kinds of sex things that I don't even know what they are. They have a mechanical sex toy that people can ride. This sex dungeon club thing is only opened on the weekends. All other times there are sex rooms where you can bring extra partners too...,. and there is a outdoor upper level deck where people who want to be seen can have sex. I just thought this was an awesome place for people who might be curious and trying to find out if this is what they are interested in. Hubby and I had a blast! There are lots of younger people......in their twenties there. (From what I could tell) I was mainly there just to have a place to stay where hubby and I could be nude......but I did enjoy the pickleball playing, the water volleyball and the general atmosphere. The members there were friendly. We will be back to Paradise Lakes!
  38. 2 points
    Lubricants are a must, it goes without saying, but….. Every woman is different for self lubricating before penetration. Level of foreplay, excitement, point of time during her cycle, health, frequency, penis size, condom/toy use, age just to point out a few. You can never have too much. Also it should be a lubricant that has been proven safe to use and works for her, for her comfort and to heighten her moment. Used with a condom it will help greatly to keep the condom on and not pulled off during active thrusting. Also allows for a more comfortable withdrawal after completion without that pulling sensation as no fluid has been left inside her. Very important when using toys, a must with larger toys and large erect penises. Just spoke with a late thirties couple new in the lifestyle, a handful of experiences over the past year. They just experienced an ER visit two weeks ago. The short story is they watched a very endowed man with a woman in an open room at a party and both found it exciting and had an interest to maybe try this. They thought it would be fun to try acting this out in roll play to see what her limits might be by trying different sized life like dildos. A trip to the store and they acquired four that appealed to her. Two Sundays back they had the house with no kids and decided to have a hot time together experimenting. For the most part, the time they had was quite pleasurable, according to both. when using the third selection, which was a bit thicker, and longer she had experienced a little bit of discomfort but with her husband using his tongue on her while applying the toy, and a gentle, thrusting motion, she experienced a rather strong orgasm, and this excited both of them very much. The last toy was over 10 inches long, and very thick in comparison to the previous three (many times this size is purchased more as a gag gift). Unfortunately, in their excited state things were rushed a bit. when he finally worked the end, just barely inside her rather than pausing she jumped audibly with discomfort and he pushed this large appendage deep with one thrust. Total fail. Her body was not ready for it at all. The toy bottomed out painfully and the lack of lubrication added to the discomfort for her. Lack of additional lubrication, lack of controlling his excited action to her caused her a great amount of pain. According to her it almost felt like something torn inside her. They then spent the next, according to them hours, trying to remove that item of discomfort from her only to discover with every attempt, it was highly uncomfortable for her, and as she described, felt like a pulling inside her. With this being a life like extra large dildo it did not “deflate“ allowing for more comfortable extraction. They did not use any lubrication. There was not a condom on the toy, which probably would’ve helped with removal if the condom was lubricated. They spent quite a lot of time, trying to get her to relax enough to remove the toy which after sometime they did successfully, but not without a lot of discomfort on her part. She was in so much discomfort and it was not settling down that they ended up making a trip to the ER. After finally being seen and having the embarrassing discussion with a young doctor, she was examined they found some tearing and bruising inside her. A bottle of AstroGlide or similar lubricant used liberally on her, in her and on the toy And much better control on her husband’s part could have made this a better experience And possibly have avoided the outcome they experienced. The same holds true if she was going to experience a larger live erect penis, which most likely would’ve been covered with a condom. So, again lots of lube, can’t use enough or too much. It can make the difference completely on wether it is an experience of a lifetime or highly regrettable. Inexperience, lack of additional lubricants and lack of control on his part caused his wife to go from a fun sexual experience/exploration to being in pain, fearful, embarrassed and in a great deal of discomfort for ten days. The wetter, the warmer…..add lubricant anyway. The slipperier the better. This should have the ease of a slip ‘n slide. Added input or experiences?
  39. 2 points
    While I find the "inaugural ball" with novel partners exciting at one level, for me the other side of the coin is that subsequent encounters will likely be even better as we learn each other’s bodies and responses.
  40. 2 points
    Agreed. Not only is each partner different, but also is each pairing. It struck me the first time I saw David with another woman, it was almost disturbing that she had him in another state. As to sounds, the big difference is how much more vocal women are than men, both loudness and variety of songs that are sung.
  41. 2 points
    Thanks a lot for the feedback. This summer we will go to Cap (we live in Europe) and my wife loved Glamour Beach, we started to have sex and we lost track of time and when we finished we had at least 40 couples around us having sex with us in the middle. That was hot. She just said next time we get a bed. (you can rent a bed, else is all standing which is not that comfortable).
  42. 2 points
    There are many couples that start out this way, most do. But not all move at the same speed to try sharing swapping partners. And that is ok. The Lifestyle is very broad and inclusive: Ethical Non Monogamy sex, Shared sex play, Swapping, Kink and fetish you name it. We’ve met men, women couples from every level and then some. There is not one definition, one lone description that accurately defines swinging, nothing all inclusive. There are many couples who enjoy the freedom, sexual energy, watching and being watched while engaging in open room, group or couples play in the same room or bed. We also know of many who are open active nudists that play/have sex openly at the nudist beach, lake or in a shared Hotel room but separate beds. It is all about open honest communications between all participating, consenting adults, desires and location.
  43. 2 points
    My overall experience with blowjob technique is that some ladies definitely have serious skills while others don't. But blowjobs are kinda like pizza. Even when it's bad it's still pretty good 😉
  44. 2 points
    Generally I love being with women with different body types. Don't get me wrong. I think my wife is hot and I LOVE her body, but i like all kinds of ladies and body types - and my wife definitely enjoys a variety of men. If we were all the same this LS would be no fun!
  45. 2 points
    Actually we did talk about that. I thought kegals but she said no. She thought all women could do that and did not discover what she did was unique until after they got into the swinging lifestyle and a couple of partners she played with were quite impressed. Nobody, she had Benin before her husband ever said anything about it being unique and highly pleasurable. While she was dating and later married her husband, he always made a big deal out of it. He thought it was fantastic, of course but she always assumed that that’s just the way all women were. I also asked her if she felt anything different while doing it other than bearing down. It’s more of a feeling of control, that she’s in control of the man she is with that heightens her pleasure.
  46. 2 points
    If you can't keep from talking about swinging when you shouldn't, you shouldn't be swinging. Also, I agree, please use punctuation!
  47. 2 points
    My goodness, considering your attitude and the problems you encountered, I wonder that you spent five years in the sport - why didn’t you get out right away? My wife and I spent many years swinging, and soon after we started we got into MFM threesomes. She also soloed a little with single men. We always enjoyed the idea, if not every single man on every single night. 1-Solo men are actively discriminated against and disliked in the lifestyle. When you say “swingers . . . hate single men to the core” you’re putting your perspective on other people. Yes, some people don’t want to interact with single men, mainly because many of the guys are pushy and feel entitled, and those couples want both partners interacting. That’s hard to do if the husband and SM aren’t both bi. We, and many other couples we interacted with, enjoy the occasional single male, IF he is polite. Many times we sought them out, and we were glad we did. We had a great time with many of them. 2-Your physical appearance matters. Of course it does! A single male who isn’t somewhat attractive isn’t going to be very successful. But that doesn’t mean you have to be a perfect specimen. In fact, my wife accepted many men into her bed who were overweight, shorter than she was, or didn’t have the perfect face. Why? Because they engaged her mind, made her feel that she was interesting to them. Personality matters more than a killer body. And it works the other way, too. My wife’s been rejected because she was older or wasn’t attractive to the man. 3-STD’s are rampant! Not going to disagree here. But we were in the sport for nearly twenty years, and never caught anything. Of course, we always used condoms. 4-Flakes and cat fishing. Don’t. Get. Me. Started…. You’re right, don’t get us started. Single Men are the worst when it comes to flaking. In our first year, we were contacted on SLS by numerous men who chatted us up, then just disappeared. And yes, we showed up at the agreed place and time, only to be disappointed when he didn’t show. There’s nothing you can do about it when a guy or couple ghosts you on SLS or another site. It’s part of the game, and why it happens has been discussed in these forums many times. It’s very disappointing, but it’s part of the game. If you never want to come in contact with flakes, it’s time to get out of the game. As far as no-shows, we got very good at figuring out who wasn’t going to show. We made them dance through hoops during the messaging stage, on purpose. If they weren’t going to make an effort, we figured we'd wind up disappointed. And we always had a telephone call with them before we met. That seriously cut down on the number of no-shows. And finally, we insisted that an hour or two before the meet, they text us. If we didn’t get the text, we didn’t show. (And yes, we got a few ‘where were you’ messages because they didn’t text us.) 5-Most important of all, women don’t really have a sex drive. Okay, I’m just calling bullshit on this one. Women who participate in ENM have a much greater sex drive than the vast majority of men, in my experience. I think you’re just trolling here. Your ‘facts’ are unfounded in science
  48. 2 points
    chimrichalds: I was looking for that same jpg.
  49. 2 points
    Wow, with that much information you'll get all sorts of good responses. I would say your wife is indifferent to you being with other women, thus is indifferent to your marriage. She no longer cares what you do and is planning on leaving the marriage. She's hoping you swinging will alleviate the endless burden of you pushing swinging on her. And, as a single male trying to swing, I agree with the others. There are too many to count. A dime a dozen. You better be bringing something physically ridiculous to the table and bring a personality that charms both the husband and wife. We've encountered a thousand single men (probably more) in our time in the lifestyle. 99.9% are clowns. One a swinger site there'll be so many, all with magazine cover physiques, large members and some game. It is exhausting dealing with them. It is easy to eliminate someone because there are 500 in line after them. You'll be part of that group. Good luck. If you're willing to swing without your wife, assume your marriage is over and join one of the hookup apps. You'll do much better there than in the swinger community as a single (and married) male.
  50. 2 points
    It wasn't long after baby #2, stuck at home two infants, that "cabin fever" set in with her and she was feeling stuck in a rut. It occurred to me the best course of action was to arrange date nights between her and one of the single males she enjoyed pre-kids. She was a bit resistant at first, then thought it might be refreshing to be out on a date, secure that the kids were home safe with me. The dates turned out to be just what she needed and we continued them for years. She loved how dating made her feel and it was a huge turn on for me every time she went on one!
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