Day&Night

Hmm, I would think that swingers are not the only ones buying condoms and KY. If that were a tip off there are a hell of a lot more swingers in my little town than I thought!

Holy Triple Threat Batman ! This looks like a scenario to do three things: 1. Lose a wife and forever turn her off to the idea of swinging 2. Lose some friends, that you have no idea if they are swingers or not 3. Ruin a perfectly good vacation I say leave it in your head as a fantasy unitl you have discussed it with your wife. I have several vanilla friends where we banter back and forth about sex and stuff all the time at parties ect. But I know for a fact that they would never be swingers.

While I am all for therapy when needed and I have several dogs, I think we would have bailed when we heard "Therapy dog"

Yes, I agree that situation would be ok if we knew it before hand. In this situation we didn't know that he had no intention of playing even though we went to a hotel at the other wife's suggestion. She proceded to get naked as soon as we got situated in the room while he stood around with this stunned look on his face. It did not go very much further from there. What was weird was they were supposedly experianced and he talked a big game until we actually got to the room. I think we were nearly as surprised as he was ! They were such nice people too.

Batteries! For some reason all the TV remotes at my girlfriends house are always missing batteries! She informs me that her favorite toys use the same size batteries and sometimes she has "emergencies". Another vote for the Hitachi magic wand, it is always plugged up and laying on the floor right next to the bed.

I had a girlfriend years ago that had this thing she liked to do with an kitchen ladder back chair. She would straddle the chair backwards and hang on to the ladder back with her clit on the corner of the chair. She would have me enter her from behind while she bent over the chair and would rub her clit on the corner of the chair while I fucked her from behind. It sounds and was, awkward as hell but she had the most intense orgasms that way that I have ever seen. I usually had to help her off the chair while she was orgasming and just let her lie on the floor for several minutes while she recovered. My current girlfriend has this big overstuffed chaise lounge type chair in her house that she loves to loves to have me sit in while she grabs the back of the chair and rides me. This chair gets a lot of use when we have play friends over! It is funny because when we have vanilla friends over and one of the guys sits in the chair she always gets this devilish grin and twinkle in her eyes!

1. The wife has to get "approval" from her husband to do anything 2. One partner is always "too tired " 3. One partner is naked but the other half is still fully clothed

I agree 1oo%. I once had a play partner pull down my pants and I was semi-hard. She looked up at me from her knees and said " Whats the matter" All I could do was laugh, then she of course wondered what I was laughing at. Not a good way to start but it ended up ok.

That sounds like something they do to the prisoners at Guantanomo Bay!

I'll take one too ! Thanks for the offer ! We enjoy the movies with "real couples" or groups more than the professionals !

I think this is mostly true that as guys get older it does take a little more effort. I also think that as a swinger you do get used to seeing naked bodies and it takes a little more than that to get you going. BUt a naked couple engaged in sex does it every time, more so than just seeing nudity. BUT, I also notice that as a swinger its actually easier, for me anyway to get hard and stay that way when there are multiple women present or actually seeing others engaged in sex tends to get me hard and stay that way for a longer period of time. In a swinging / playing situation the excitement and eroticism present actually makes me feel like I did when in my twenties ! The sites and sounds of sex going on right next to me keeps me excited and ready for more action. I think what hurts or hinders a lot of guys is worry about whether they will perform satisfactorily. If you don't worry about it and just go with the flow I think nature takes over and most guys will be fine as long as there is not so under lying medical condition.

I think this is very true Julie. Thanks everyone for the advice and comments. We have enjoyed our interactions for the most part with others even when the play was less than spectacular. For us the play time is just a nice bonus. We really like interacting with other like-minded couples and sharing things we would not discuss with our vanilla friends. As others have stated we are not into swinging just for the sake of sex. We have a great sex life with each other, we just like expanding our experiances. We have not as yet played with a couple that we just met, say like at a club or house party. Not saying it will not happen just the opportunity just has not presented itself. Again thank you all for the positive suggestions.

All good advice, thanks for the responses and yes we have done as Julie has suggested and swapped back to our own partners but then we usually end up staying that way and the other couple leaves soon after. It just seems like when we have issues we work through them on the fly. If I lose wood for whatever reason, I don't worry much about it, just move on to other venue's. Just cause you lose it for a minute doesn't mean your hands, mouth, tongue ect stops working. Same thing if you cum too quick, just means that she was good ! Don't get frustrated a think its time to leave ! It does come back rather quickly if you stay in the game. We are relatively new to swinging as a couple but it seems like we have just not meet the right people yet who are as comfortable as we are. We enjoy the flirting / anticipation of an evening out with another couple nearly as much as the actual play time. I guess that why so far except for that one time, the end of the night play time has not lived up to the flirting / anticipation. We so enjoy being able to share this naughty side of ourselves with others. when out on the town, having dinner ect. Its so liberating to be able to flirt and play around with someone new while your SO is right there with you doing the same thing. Were not giving up yet still figuring out how all this works !

We were meeting others strictly by using web sites, meet, then plan another play date. We recently gave up on all the web sites and cancelled our memberships. Too much work and not enough results. Now we are trying to meet others by going to the clubs and swinger event parties, meet and greets and maybe even group travel. Seems that way we might meet more serious people that are comfortable already with swinging.

My girlfriend and I have been swinging for about a year, have met / had dinner with about a dozen couples, been to the clubs and even had a few play dates. Our problem is that while we seem to click and have a great time with a few couples in a vanilla setting the play time has been less than fulfilling usually because the other guy has issues. So far we have dealt with the "jealous guy issue" who just could not handle seeing his wife enjoy herself even though they were supposedly far more experienced than us. The "quick cummer" who came about 2 minutes after my girl went down on him then felt like play time was over and it was time for them to go home. The "can't get it up with a condom on" of course my girlfriend would not fuck him without a condom which ended that evening fairly quickly. And of course the disappearing couples who after a nice evening, etc etc everyone gets along, things are great, lets set up a play date, then wham o you never hear from them again. We did have one nice evening and play date with a very experienced couple they were about 5 years older than us. ( We are mid-forties ). They were great. No jealousy, attentive, and we got to live out one of our fantasies of us both fucking someone else in the same bed, side by side as we touched and watched each other. My girlfriend is frustrated by all the other guy problems. She is patient and understanding but frankly is tiring of watching me have fun fucking and playing with the other women while she deals with the guy issues. She has occasionally given up on them and just joins in with me and the other lady but that usually causes problems with the other guys feeling left out. She then feels bad about leaving them out which usually ends the evening. We have not played in months because of the bad experiences and she now says she just wants us to play with other single women only, ( she is very bi ) which I know is nearly impossible to find. My question after that long dissertation above is this: Is this the norm in the swinging world : 1:5 or One good experience to every 5 attempts ? What has been your success ratio ?