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Question for women - how and why did you start swinging?

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I guess I feel that I love my wife so much and trust her so much that I am willing to allow her the pleasure of sleeping with other people if she wants to...and I am hoping that she appreciates that gift, if you will, and is turned on by the thought of having the freedom to do that in our marriage. I believe most women would like this freedom...a lot!

 

 

eldiablo311, if I remember correctly, you two aren't looking for a couple swap. More of a girl/girl play or MFM, right? In other words...your wife gets to play but you don't? The way you worded, "I am hoping that she appreciates that gift," almost sounds like you're hoping that by encouraging her to have a FF or MFM, that she will return "the gift" to you and you can have the same freedoms in the future. Or am I incorrect?

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eldiablo311, if I remember correctly, you two aren't looking for a couple swap. More of a girl/girl play or MFM, right? In other words...your wife gets to play but you don't? The way you worded, "I am hoping that she appreciates that gift," almost sounds like you're hoping that by encouraging her to have a FF or MFM, that she will return "the gift" to you and you can have the same freedoms in the future. Or am I incorrect?

 

Although, I would love to have that freedom also, I am not expecting it and will not be upset if I never have that. I am not allowing her to play with any thought or expectation of reciprocation. You are correct, the way it is right now, my wife plays with other people, with me there...FF or MFM or just her and another man.

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Who brought it up originally in your relationship, him or you?
Both.

 

Did your relationship always involve this type of activity, from the start, or did you guys get adventurous later on and decide to try something new...if so which of you brought the idea up to the other first?
We've always been adventurous from the start. First it was a shared admiration for porn, then it was trips to the sex store, some PDA, strip clubs, doggy style in an open hotel window, etc. etc. we're constantly pushing the envelope. Not sure who brought it up first. It was an idea that evolved from a lot of little conversations over a long period of time. It just fits our personalities. We both know we have a good thing going for us and we like to show it off & share in the appropriate settings. We are two leos.

 

I am just curious if women were hesitant at first to do this, but then realized at some point that they themselves were really turned on by it? The people that thought at first NO WAY, then after much talking and consideration and time you decided to give it a try and then found out you REALLY love it! I get the sense from reading posts on these sites that guys generally push for it, and women are generally hesitant but go along with it at first, then after awhile they realize they actually really enjoy it.

 

I would love to hear your thoughts!

 

Anna and the King (of all movies :blush:) came on and I had these private fantasies about my SO having lines of concubines with me in charge of who gets a turn. I had it all planned out down to the shoes & jewels I was wearing in the fantasy. Anyway I shared this with him and he got so excited he shared a few of his real fantasies with me. So that was the start of our open communication about fantasies in general. From time to time the fantasies would included other people. That was a long time before we ever considered it seriously. Honestly the whole swinging thing stared out as a fun joke. I'd say something like, "I'm so sorry I was late. I'll make it up to you. Whatever you want." He'd say, "whatever I want? What about a threesome?" I'd say of course; if you stay loyal to me until you turn 65 and it's a done deal. It was a distant unlikely thing. But as we kept talking honestly with each other new doors opened up a little bit at a time. It's always been out of an expression of love, excitement and mutual enjoyment.

 

Having said that; I have really good friends who are excellent incredibly attractive women. They are kinky as can be in their own ways but would never dare dream of doing anything with another person or even in front of another person ever ever. They have great sex lives too. It's just that everyone's different. It's not even vanilla and the rest. The world is like Baskin Robbins, tons of flavors. Sometimes the flavor changes as people get older and sometimes it doesn't. In some cultures just hugging another persons spouse is swing-like behavior so it's really all about perspective and comfort level. If my spouse is uncomfortable, I'm uncomfortable. I know he feels the same. There's a lot of security in relationships like that.

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Maybe I'm wrong, but I would think most women would be pretty excited and happy to know that their husband was "into" letting her fuck other guys...or girls, as long as it was made clear by the husband that there would be no negative feelings toward her or jealousy in the marriage as a result.

 

I know from a guys perspective, I don't know any guys, including myself, that wouldn't be thrilled if their wife told them that! Every guy I know would love that, they just can't admit that feeling to their wife, unless they want a divorce! LOL

 

Well you haven't met my wife. I was the one to bring it up, our marriage is the only monogamous relationship I had ever been in and and I was a good boy for close to 30 years. I finally got to where my old nature wouldn't stay put away any more.

 

My approach was, we tried it like this for 30 years, how about another way? I said that I'd like us both to be able to play with others and that I would be happy to see her have sex with someone else and enjoy every second.

 

We have been working on it for about 5 years now and actually broke the ice and swapped with another couple at a club a few months back. I was letting her lead as I always do, and when a very nice couple hit on us and she went for it (they knew were were swinging virgins and that she was still nervous, all three of us were very careful and slow and gave her every chance to back out, but she didn't).

 

She was OK with it, but after a month of not wanting to discuss it, she finally said that she has too many issues with it. Mostly jealousy (her words), STI's are the backup.

 

She is still good with going to clubs (both swing and fetish), but has made it clear that we are not looking for a hookup (and I definitely don't get to play with anyone else by myself, since I am bi, having a male FWB was also discussed as an option).

 

So, not all girls want extra sex or attention. The crazy thing is that she always gets a steady stream of admirers/offers from both men and women whenever we go to a club (not bad for 60! a lot of the folks who stop by are in their 30s), but she always says she is fine with only me. Go figure?

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The more I talk to people on this forum and another...the more I realize that at this point in time, I think our marriage falls into the "Hotwifing" category...where the wife plays with other people but the husband doesn't. I don't know, maybe that is just another variety of swinging? Either way we also have had many small discussions, over time, about bringing other people into our bedroom and the bottom line is this is all about US! These are experiences we can share and appreciate together as an in love married couple.

 

My wife's only concern is that we don't make this the focus of our marriage or sex life...and I completely agree! I have to walk a fine line with how much I bring it up to her or talk about it because I don't want her to feel like it is taking over our life. I do think about it a lot though when we fuck...I just don't always verbalize it to her.

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The more I talk to people on this forum and another...the more I realize that at this point in time, I think our marriage falls into the "Hotwifing" category...where the wife plays with other people but the husband doesn't. I don't know, maybe that is just another variety of swinging? Either way we also have had many small discussions, over time, about bringing other people into our bedroom and the bottom line is this is all about US! These are experiences we can share and appreciate together as an in love married couple.

 

My wife's only concern is that we don't make this the focus of our marriage or sex life...and I completely agree! I have to walk a fine line with how much I bring it up to her or talk about it because I don't want her to feel like it is taking over our life. I do think about it a lot though when we fuck...I just don't always verbalize it to her.

 

That was one of my concern's initially as well and it really didn't happen. The biggest carry over into our ongoing sex life is a greater since of self-confidence on my part, the feeling that I was "allowed" or even encouraged to dress more sexually when we went out and the same with being more friendly and more flirtatious. Once we did a few MFM's, he was on the web trying to find out where or how we might approach a couple's experience but not in any type of all consuming way. We have been "in the lifestyle" for four years now and we probably haven't had more than four experiences in any given year, less in some. We just let it happen. We have even been to Desires and at least two times, only played with one another other than some minor petting with others in the hot tub; ok, maybe not minor, I gave the guy a little suck as a flirtatious gesture.

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That was one of my concern's initially as well and it really didn't happen. The biggest carry over into our ongoing sex life is a greater since of self-confidence on my part, the feeling that I was "allowed" or even encouraged to dress more sexually when we went out and the same with being more friendly and more flirtatious. Once we did a few MFM's, he was on the web trying to find out where or how we might approach a couple's experience but not in any type of all consuming way. We have been "in the lifestyle" for four years now and we probably haven't had more than four experiences in any given year, less in some. We just let it happen. We have even been to Desires and at least two times, only played with one another other than some minor petting with others in the hot tub; ok, maybe not minor, I gave the guy a little suck as a flirtatious gesture.

 

That's great! I also am encouraging my wife to dress up sexy and to talk to/flirt with guys she thinks are cute...mainly when we are on vacation letting loose and having a good time! It is so much fun! The old me would have never allowed that to go on! I feel like it must be liberating and empowering for her...and make her feel good about herself. I love to see her express her sexuality freely!

 

We talked about going to desires last year on our way back from another resort in playa del Carmen area. Thing is we aren't into full swinging and I feel like if we went to that resort people would expect you to swap. And like I say my wife is the only one that plays right now. Plus it was fun at our resort, because it wasn't expected...and you didn't know what was going to happen. There were plenty of couples into that there! The hunt was fun!

 

Lol! Yeah, I would say a little suck is a little flirtatious! Ha ha ha! Sounds like fun! We also just let it happen, we never try to force it when we do it. Though we are pretty new to this stuff and have only done it a couple of times so far....I am hoping something will happen when we go to Vegas in a couple of weeks. I told her I am bringing condoms...just in case!;o)

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LOL! In my opinion, there is a lot of compensation and denial out there in the "vanilla" world! I feel, swingers/hotwifer's/open relationships, are the ones that are truly the closest and most honest with each other! And when you love someone...there should be NO secrets and hiding of how you feel about anything...just one man's opinion though!

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I stumbled on this old post.

Again with this swingers are better than vanillas crap.....just like I despise the vanillas judgments towards swingers,I think that this type of comment comes from a place of self-doubt trying to feel better about choosing the LS.

And you should know Diablo that if you think talking about emotions and perceptions after swinger sex is honesty, than you do not know that most of us will never be completely 100% honest.

Honesty is like an onion, every time you remove a layer you discover another one.

 

Honesty and communication have nothing to do with swinging or being monogamous. To be honest one must know himself very very well and understand his internal mechanisms and motivations inside out. (sorry for my English I'm French).

Without that what one will give others as his honest feelings, emotions or thoughts will be very superficial and eventually prove to be false when circumstances and life bring out the truth that was hiding very deep inside, many layers below all that.

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I'll add our two cents - Mrs. EastInWest, when we met, was looking for a more vigorous sex life than she'd ever had. I'm a bit younger and her boyfriends bored her, she'd gotten out of a poorly conceived marriage and felt like she'd wasted a lot of time and now men she was meeting weren't aggressive like they were when she was high school and college age. That was a disappointment, because she'd spent those years working very hard to be a good Catholic girl and didn't partake very much.

 

Once we started doing our thing, at one point she told me that if she'd known the difference, she would have spent those years on all fours in a locker room. She really likes that she can be open about that side of herself, and our few play sessions have been an outlet for her to try things she just could not have brought herself to do at age 20.

 

I was the one who brought it up. There's still a lot going on that ties her up in knots sometimes, but it's been a ton of progress.

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