Whose idea was it to start swinging?

[De and Ci 19]

I noticed a poll Julie had created last year about whose idea was it to swing. The results showed that the instances in which the male brought it up was only slightly higher that the woman bringing it up. Interesting because everybody seems think it's the guy's idea and she's just along for the ride. I was always suspicious of that because of the enthusiam I've seen from the women. In our case, it was both of us. We were like, "you want to go?", "I don't know do you?" it was back and forth like that for several months. We go to a restaurant, start discreetly playing with each other, My wife says "lets go check out that club", we took it from there. Technically I guess it was her idea but she knew I was up for it. Our first time to swing was like that too. They invite us to their house for tequila-I ask my wife, she says "ok, we'll come over and have a drink", We were both playing stupid. The couple invites us to their bedroom we say "ok I suppose so" it goes from there. Anyway I suspect the belief that it's the man's idea is just another myth, stereotype or whatever. Does anybody know if there's been any studies on this? Anybody agree with me?

[GirlieZ 15]

My Man and I came to this decision together. Talking about it started out as sexy talk during sex. Never went any further. We knew that we wanted to do it when we would still continue to talk about those sexy thoughts after sex.

 

We've been having fun ever since.

[meowkittyhascla 17]

Actually it was my idea...Miss Kitty here....I just wanted to open my tomcat to new experiences. BTW...I didn't have to twist his arm at all. We had played a little when we first got married, but stopped when having children. I have always been more outgoing than "tommy" and had more sexual experience, but I am glad and proud to say that he is catching up. We do love this lifestyle and meeting new people even if we don't end up in the sack all together.

Ps....that is miss kitty in the pic!

[leftcoastcouple 31]

Prior to our first experience, I'd driven her nuts talking about swinging before, during and after sex for months, to the point where she claimed it was all I talked about in the bedroom any more.

 

Then, one night, we went out with a couple of male friends, sans their girlfriends as it turned out, and headed back to our place late to jump in the hot tub--not as incriminating as it sounds, given that that was a fairly normal night-concluding event at that point.

 

But that particular night, as we changed in our bedroom, I asked my wife if this might be the night. She hinted that it might be. Once in the hot tub, much grab-assing ensued, and I got the feeling she was serious.

 

Once out of the hot tub, one of the guys and I went out for a beer run, and when we returned, we opened the door to find my wife and the other guy playing tonsil hockey before in front of the TV, porn movie running, her robe splayed open, and his fingers buried deep inside of her pussy. Deductive genius that I am, I took this as a sign that things were definitely on that night.

 

And they were. In spades.

 

So, did I initiate, or did she? I brought it up, but she definitely pushed the magic button that made it happen, and I'm glad to this day that she did.

[Guest Mr&Mrs-naughty]

I am the one who actually uttered the word "swingers" first.

 

But we had already had a few soft MFM's with single male friends.

 

But once I brought it up she took it from there, and in a BIG way!!

 

Since we got started we have found we like MFM's the best. So she is always searching out that next single male. She usually finds two or three a day for me to "check out" to give my approval for further contact.

 

So who came up with the idea???????

 

I think it was a mutual thought but I actually mentioned it first. But there was no having to convince her. Once I said the word she was off and fucking...... I mean running.

[Vjklander 136]

We find most of our partners through SLS or local BDSM groups. As far as first swinging goes, we was seduced by our friends, so it was basically a mutual 'swing-at-first-sight' kind of thing. Spontaneity is our middle name.

[WesternSwing 504]

You know, I think I did, but I really can't remember. I think we were fooling around one night and the subject just came up if my wife had ever fantasized about more than one guy (at the time she had no idea she would like women as much as she does) and she asked me if I had the same fantasy about another woman. It never really went past fantasy stage until we went to a rather wild party that introduced us to the fringe of the swinging lifestyle and we both thought it may be something we want to investigate further. The rest is history.

[Chemistry_0518 20]

With us, HE brought it up in an interesting way. My Little Princess was very shy and withdrawn when I first met her, but within a matter of months, she began to blossom into a truly sensual woman as we explored each other. More than a year after her "development", I observed that she still harbored very deep feelings for her ex. I am not the jealous type, so I encouraged her to maintain communications with him, and I, myself, showed him friendship in order to minimize any feelings of intimidation that might exist. Near Christmas, I suggested something that would take a drastic turn in our relationship. Even more than our adopting a D/s lifestyle on a 24/7 basis. (She is collared and has been for some 5 years now.) I commented that I saw how much love still flourished between the two of them and I suggested that it would not be an unnatural thing to invite him into our bed. She protested violently and I let the matter drop. Within a few months, she brought the subject up and began to see the situation from my viewpoint, and found it to be an interesting idea. Some lengthy discussions (and assurances) later, we brought the subjest to her ex who was floored. He got back to us some time later and said that he could see no negatives in our proposal and agreed to join us.

 

It happened only once (further sessions were made impossible due to some medical conditions on his part) but My Princess was SO excited and constsantly commented at how amazing the sensation was of being in the hands of two men who loved her deeply and were interested in HER enjoyment. She was totally comfortable and relaxed. Afterward, she wondered if feelings would be similar if the third person was more or less a stranger. After much debating we agreed to try a couple. It was wonderful for all involved and we were hooked from that point.

[ore_cpl4fun 15]

With us swinging was sort of inevitable, lol.

 

Wife has been bi for as long as she can remember, and in fact was in a relationship with a woman for several months before we met. Hubby was the stereotypical ‘when am I ever gonna get laid?” guy up until high school, then out of nowhere something clicked and it all came together and he never looked back.

 

When we met it was pretty electric, and then for his birthday she and a mutual (female) friend surprised him with a Birthday 3-sum… and that was eight years ago, lol. Ironically, the mutual friend was the person hubby was sorta dating when we met, lol. The world works in mysterious ways.

[Pepper & Drew 384]

Neither. In our case, we had been to a local strip club a few times and I realized how much I wanted to explore my bisexuality, and Drew was interesting in seeing me explore that. So, I was getting a lap dance from one dancer, while Drew was getting a dance from another dancer. When he got back to the table, he told me that she had asked if we were swingers. It was the first time the words had been said aloud. We started talking about the possibilty, booked a vacation to a swinger-friendly resort and the rest is history.

[LikeMinds321 1,527]

I (wife) did.

 

I wanted to know what sex with other people would be like.

[lifestyles2004 15]

She did when we were first married with a couple of her girlfriends. Then we were with couples (friends) and this lasted for several years. However, the children came along and we quit the lifestyle for a dozen years. Now the children are gone and I (he) started it!

[spirited 15]

I had to debate about which way to vote for some time. She shared her multiple guy fantasies with me. I led her down the path to making it real. I ended up voting that I was the instigator because, if left to her, I suspect it always would have been a fantasy.

[akamgaxoxo 25]

It was I ( the female half) that mentioned MFM's to my hubby in fantasy. I found this website and together we read and researched together. Then I stumbled across SLS and together we put up an ad....from there it has been quite a learning experience.

[Jerry Owen 15]

My wife started it this time, but I admit that I had been encouraging her to try it for years. I have to tell you that it is WONDERFUL.

[GeorgiaCouple 16]

Well I guess it would be me that brought it up. About 3 years ago, he brought up wanting a 3some..and after much talking we started playing FMF... and I discovered that I enjoyed being with out women and became very openly bi. Well we talked about swapping then.... but dont think either of us was comfortable enough then. Well one night..we were talking and I kind of dropped it on his head by saying, "lets start swinging" I told him I was serious.. and well it totally thru him for a loop....LOL but after alot and I mean alot of talking, we agreed to start out slowly. We did...our g/f someone we had been playing with... said her and her husband would be interested and after alot of talking we started swapping with them..and have been going ever since.

[ALilOEverything 900]

I brought it up the first time telling him about experiences with my first husband (of which I brought up then). I would bring it up every so often but we just talked about it as fantasy but knowing we someday wanted to seek it out. I brought it up last spring as something to seriously pursue and he was right on board with me. Being we had talked about it multiple times over the past several years it helped for us to get on the same page quickly.

[Fred&Wilma 15]

She has brought it up several times in a light hearted type of manner over the 27 years of marriage.

 

Being the dumb lug I am, I never expanded on it much as Wilma as I thought it was a trick question about the status of our marriage.

 

Not that it has not been a fantasy for me too.

 

Anyways we are in the very early stages of discussing it and thanks to all your excellent posts it has given us food for thought. So many levels, so many options that have to been discussed, so much interest. Wahoo!

 

My compliments to Julie for such a well organized site.

[EvilMJ 65]

It was me....my husband claims he is just a willing victim to my evil plans....yeah..he is so innocent

[SnGinPA 15]

Mr. G here, this is a little on the long side but here goes......

 

Swinging has been a fantasy of mine for years but I was always afraid to bring it up for fear of hurting my wife or her thinking I was some kind of pervert. I found this site about two years ago and I've been lurking here since then. The posts that have had the biggest impact on me have been the couples who said that swinging has made them so much closer. I realized our marriage was missing that closeness but I still didn't talk about it.

 

One Saturday afternoon a couple of months ago we were sitting on the deck drinking wine. We started talking about when our youngest went off to college next year it would be just the two of us again. We talked about how we took each other for granted way too much; how our sex life, while still good, had become routine; how we had let our close friends from our younger years just drift away; in general we agreed that we were turning into a couple of old fuddy-duddies stuck in a comfortable rut. We also agreed that this wasn't good for us or our marriage.

 

I thought to myself "it's now or never". So I brought the subject of swinging up. I told her that the last thing I wanted to do was hurt her and how I missed that closeness we had at one time. I told her about this site and how it has helped me. Well, between the wine and the talk she got turned on! She wanted to know all about swinging and what I had read here. We haven't stop talking about it since. We both agreed that from then on we would be totally honest with each other. And our sex life has gone back to the way it was when we were newlyweds! We are going to follow you advice and go as fast as the slowest partner. I had a two year head start over my wife.

 

You guys might not realize it sometimes, but you are helping people out there with your advice. For that I want to say thank you.

[SexhoundDog 18]

Damn, I think I could've written Mr. G's sentiments exactly! I feel I'm getting closer by the day, specifically told the Mrs. that I have fantasies about her blowing some guy while I'm muffdiving on her, and am trying to get words in when possible, it's just picking the "right time."

 

Our sex life has become great since our youngest went away to school, so that actually may be hampering my quest some. On the other hand, I'd rather have her be satisfied instead of looking around. But what I'd really like is for her to be satisfied but saying to me "Hey, I wouldn't mind inviting that guy over to join us."

 

Our trouble may be that we don't really know hardly any single guys, and I don't think she's ready for me to jump into it with another woman. Trying to get rid of those insecurity or jealousy flames can be a bitch. But I'm trying!

[PaPasion4BiLady 15]

Hello Everyone, this is the female half replying

 

I asked hubby...from the beginning I was always honest with my hubby that I was bisexual & had been for many years. Being most men's fantasy...I was surprised that he never brought up the topic of a threesome. We have an incredible sex life, we are both very passionate and love being erotically creative, always satisfying each others Mind, Body & Soul.

 

Since being bisexual is part of who I am, I wanted to share that part of me with him...& share our passion & romance with another woman. So...one evening over dinner I just came right out & asked him. It was the funniest thing...I thought he was going to choke on the veal parm. He replied with..."You want me to do what?" ...followed by "Ok, your kidding right?"

 

Again, being most men's fantasy, I expected an enthusiastic "Yes, Yes, Yes":bowing:...but that was not the case. I feel what makes our relationship as strong as it is...is our excellent communication, we talk about everything...and that is what he wanted to do. We spent the rest of the evening talking about feelings, comfort levels, involvement...anything & everything.

 

That was some time ago now, looking back....I still laugh at his reaction. Because we are so incredible together...I just knew being together with another woman, all three fully pleasuring each other, would be an absolutely amazing, sensual experience...it was & still is.

 

I'm very glad that I asked him...I find it sooooo exciting...not to mention HOT!!!! when we are intimate with another woman together.

 

Well that is Our Story...Take care Everyone & Play Safe

 

[ready2play 22]

It was my hubby. I think that we always loved to treat ourselves now and then to porn and one day he said do you want to swing??

[guitarlover 16]

It was my idea to let us be free and explore this lifestyle. It's naughty and exciting to both of us, and I don't feel like the perv anymore, since she's opened her mind to the idea. I love hearing about the women who brought up the idea, though. The world needs more of those female open minds, I believe.

 

We're still weighing the pros and cons, but, learning from the board, and hope to become swing non virgins one of these days. We're going slow because I certainly don't want to push her into something that she might regret later on, and that would certainly ruin any future encounters.

She enjoys light flirting on the chat, and she knows that I am not jealous of that, but, she keeps asking me if it's OK to talk naughty with guys that she meets on chat. She doesn't realize how much of a turn on that is for me...am I sick?

 

Well, guess she'll know after she reads my thread reply....LOL

[lizandtom 512]

She dropped hints over the years of being with women, but I (male) suggested in May '04 going to Hedo3 in August. She was apprehensive and nervous, but I stressed we were just going for a good time, and if anything happened, so be it; that was the point. We went and her feelings were confirmed that she liked the feeling of another woman. When we got back to the states, I had to map out a route for us to go further. She was still apprehensive. I got us to some off premise parties where she loosened up and felt around some men and women. A few months later we decided that we could try full swap. After she got nailed but good and liked it, and we were both fine with it, we found there were no jealousy issues and seeing me with another woman turned her on. Although I haven't done it yet she has suggested that I go and join another couple we know if I want during her ladies days. To help her realize her fantasies and how to approach them, she's reading some Nancy Friday books.

 

The bottom line, as suggested by Julie and others in here, and has been the case with us, is that I suggested it but she's mainly the one who keeps us in it now.

[NaughtyKitten 16]

This is interesting. We have had talks many times around the issue over the 13 years of our relationship. Hubby had a couple of 3somes in his younger days, I had not. I fessed up that I get turned on more by the women in porn movies than the men. This started a major fantasy for him and he kept bringing it up, teasing me about it. Then we started to go to this gay male strip club with a gay couple we know. I got a lot of attention from the straight dancers. Watching me get a lap dance from another guy really turned hubby on. I liked it too, of course. Then one night at that club I sorta fooled around with one of the dancers(soft swing kinda stuff) and here we are. We found this website together. It was a kinda mutual decision. We look forward to lots of fun new experiences.

[MissCayana 15]

As of now I'm single, but with my past mates, swinging was never cut and dry. With one guy I was dating, he didn't know that I was bi-sexual. When I mentioned that and proposed a threesome during an otherwise casual discussion over what to do that weekend, he fell backwards out of his chair, spilling his drink all over himself (he had been leaning back in his chair as some fellows are prone to do). Needless to say, I always took things slow from then on. ...or at least I made sure he was in a safe and grounded position!

[allycat 15]

I (being she) brought it up first. The hubby was all wigged at first, but, I got my way. Now, 5 years later, it's our way.

[its_fun_for_us 15]

I (the Mrs) brought it up -- heehee. At first I think he was doing it to pacify me but now he's my regular manwhore -- haha

[turrywolez 16]

It was my idea (her). I was a swinger before Dick and I got together and he was very inexperienced so I toned myself way down for him and we decided it was time to get in the lifestyle as a couple back in Feb after years of talking about it.

[autumn528 16]

It was his idea. She was married young and was sexually repressed in that there was no communication between her and the ex. She was shy about admitting or exploring her sexuality. He on the other hand was a horndog. Thankfully we have great communication and related our feelings to each other with no worries of being judged. You know, this marriage shit is ok.

[okidoll 15]

I (female) brought it up first, ' cause I'm a freak like that. As far as more sexually adventuresome I would say that is me too, but he is always ready for new adventures.

[sexRus50 20]

As one who had years of experience I wanted my new girlfriend to try it. First I took her to a five star nudist resort in California as a sort of appetizer. Though her first public nude experience, she loved it. I brought up the idea later of visiting one of Florida's famous swingers clubs just so she could get an idea with no pressure to do anything. From there it took two years and several commercial and house parties for her to accept the lifestyle at her pace.

 

During the process I confided in her that I am a bi-curious man. We are now wonderfully married and love the swinging life, often with her taking the lead in sexual experimentation. The key here was not rushing her and open communication. Yes, I got us into the lifestyle together and she will insure we stay in it.

[jennjenn 16]

I dated someone a few months ago and it turned out he and his ex-wife had done a little swinging - I was TOTALLY shocked. I didn't even think people did that kind of thing, I thought of key parties and the seventies and what the hell? do people actually DO that? So I took it upon myself to learn everything about it I could which led me to this board and SLS. The guy and I stopped dating but I knew that it would still be something I would want to pursue. It was such a novel and interesting concept to me. So I put in a single female profile at SLS with the intention of just looking around. I started communicating with several couples though and then out of the many many single men, I found one that seemed very genuine, able to follow through and well, just, how should I put it? YUMMY. So we talked online for awhile and went out on our first date. We of course talked about swinging that night and I found out he had some experience in it already. As we talked more the next week or so we recognized that neither of us want to just be 'swing partners' that we wanted to take the time to form a genuine relationship that may or may not include swinging at some future point. Although that may or may not is more than likely going to be a yes lol. We're both very open to the whole idea, I've only been in vanilla relationships but I really do need the closeness that I feel couples who swing together have. So I'm looking forward to our journey down this road of exploration.

[GerdOEvert 48]

Starting twice.

 

1. First time, Hubby [me] brings up the idea, and Eileen says "No, Immoral". But she travels a lot, and either seduces or is seduced by a Priest in Norfolk while on a three week TDY. She comes back, confesses to the Priest, and says, "Well, we can try the local club". As a bit of humor, the local club is names the "Inn Place"

 

The first times were dull, but with more visits we got to know people. Later the club buned down, and they moved to the Countryside, and we never went there.

 

2. Fast forward fifteen years and two kids. Eileen says, "Maybe we could think about swinging again?" And we do. If there is anything surprising to a guy it is how sexual women get in their early 40's.

 

We both have travelled a fair amount, and we have more or less had an

"open marriage" from the beginning.

 

The only stipulation was, "We are not raising someone else's child or children".

 

Otto & Eileen

[janaandjames 21]

If there is anything surprising to a guy it is how sexual women get in their early 40's.

 

>>>

 

How true that is!

I, the male, feel that i brought it up, but looking back, maybe it was her

I was bored with our sex life, and she didn't have a lot of interest in a sex life.

I started getting her to go out, dances and stuff, and it became clear that i enjoyed watching her dance with others... and she liked that too.

It seemed to loosen her up some.

 

From there she discovered talking with people on the internet, and I encouraged her, and she started getting into it more, and that made her more interested in sex.

 

From there we talked about fantasies, and she confessed that she had thoughts of sex with other men... she seemed so embarrassed by that thought at the time.

 

Just gradually from there. A visit or two to a club... some light touching, then kissing, very soft swing with other couples. Finally the big day came where we were ready, we both knew we were ready. We had talked with a couple and hooked up with them...we both totally loved the experience.

 

The next week we went to a club, met a gentleman there, and had a mfm, it was mostly her doing him and me watching. We were both amazed at how much we liked it.

 

We went home and had sex like we had never had it before

 

Since then she has really blossomed into a very sexual lady... and I love watching her have sex.

[swingsperience 15]

Consistent with the poll, it was me (him) who brought it up. Actually we got talking about it after looking at a documentary (obviously about something along the lines of swinging but I can't for the life of me remember what about exactly). As she is a very decent girl, I had always assumed, even mentioning that I was interested in swinging would end the relationship. But to my great surprise she wasn't a 100% against the idea. So I went looking for another couple secretly (while she was abroad for a few months). When I was in touch with a couple, I told her what I had done. Fortunately she wasn't angry that I had done it secretly, but she was disappointed because she would have liked to be involved in looking for a couple. Nowadays I still do the looking around and just keep her up-to-date about what I'm finding. Because we know eachother very well, I know what sort of couple she will or won't like. In a way I'm still more interested in the whole thing than she is, but I guess that one of the two in a couple is bound to be a bit more interested than the other. Any opinions about this?

[threeIsNice 15]

For us, the guy brought up the MFM idea but we were both thinking about it, had been.

[The Big A 18]

Of course it was me but after I brought it up she reveiled that she had had some expierences in school.....It was on then.

[crazi429 16]

Well it was kind of strange. We where a couple 15 years ago and became best friends but no sexual relationship. Then we where chatting one night not long ago and I brought up getting back together. She brought up needing more than 1 sex partner. I brought up swinging and we went from there.

[bourbonnchristi 15]

We voted it was Mrs. idea to start but that need clarification somewhat. We jointly decided to try swinging but what REALLY got the ball rolling was when Mrs. B hinted she was bi. After she let me know we talked about it and it was just a natural progression of events that led to swinging.

[cj22s 15]

One night while we were still dating we were discussing fantasies. He confessed to wanting to have a 3some. I loved the idea and arranged everything, much to his surprise(he never expected to actually have a 3some). He never suggested it again. A few months ago I suggested swinging he agreed to let me put up a few ads. We have been lucky and now have a new experience under our belt.

[danni654 16]

And 20+ is even better...I rather liken our orgies to a buffet! You're able to sample lots of different flavors and can move on to another if one doesn't quite suit you.

[countrycouple4 15]

My hubby kept bringing it up i was not ready for it so i would say after 5 years of him asking and knowing we were done having kids i surprised him by joining this board one day and showing him that night we are now in the process of finding the right couple. Sex with hubby has never been better. Whoo Hoo should haave agreed to this long ago.

[Boudicca 15]

It was my idea (girl). I've been bicurious for a while, but I definitely prefer men. I've just never found a female I'd be willing to date or have one-off casual sex with. There always seems to be too much drama. But women certainly feature in my private fantasies, and when I've been in strong long-term relationships (my ex and my current partner) the threesome fantasies come pretty quickly. That eventually evolved into the idea of foursomes, and fivesomes, and so on and so on, all involving my partner of course.

 

When I told my ex about my fantasies, it scared the hell out of him...we had other problems in our relationship, and I think he felt threatened, especially by the idea of a female partner. Sure, it turned him on, but he not-so-secretly believes that only women know how to please women, and he was terrified that he'd lose me to a woman. He liked to frequent porn sites online featuring multiple sex partners, but he didn't want to share that with me. We didn't communicate very well at all, and he had a serious madonna-whore complex going on. It was okay for him to watch porn, but not me. It was okay for him to like the idea of multiple partners, but not me. In short, it was okay for him to like sex, but not me.

 

My current partner, on the other hand, was well aware of my varied sexual proclivities long before we became a couple. We had been friends for several years, and part of a group that liked to play tamer adult games at drinking parties...you know, "name your hottest fantasy", "do a striptease on the table", "make yourself cum while we watch" etc. etc. So he had heard about my threesome fantasies, and witnessed my exhibitionist streak in various forms, long before we became personally involved. Since the beginning of our relationship as a couple, the sharing of personal fantasies has been a big part of our sexual relationship. We like to talk about things we haven't done that turn us on, or things that we'd like to do, but are nervous about. We watch porn together, buy toys together, have sex in public places, etc. Our sexual relationship has evolved in stages. We've talked through FFM and MFM fantasies while having sex, but it has only been recently that we've talked about actually participating in some type of swapping or club activity. He's definitely into it, which is great.

[hiswhooore 15]

I've always been interested in watching my man with another girl...however he was the one that brought it up.

[Spika 15]

I honestly don't remember who brought it up first... Though I know it was brought up shortly after I'd told him about being bi-curious...

[avid 134]

I brought it up.

 

Wow, the hormonal surges of my late 30's really caught me off guard! I swear that sex used to be a Saturday Night Special. I can't believe the turn my fantasies have taken.

 

My husband loves that we're having sex more often, but he's probably a little alarmed at how I've wanted to jump in with both feet. Poor man, he travels at a normal speed, and I tend to travel at light speed!

 

I'm being patient (that's a relative term, you realize), and he's come a long way. I so enjoy seeing him with another woman. I get to see him objectively, and I realize what a sexy man he is.

 

Of course, I also get to explore MY fantasies, which, when those get satisfied, tend to evolve into yet more fantasies!

[NJCouple 16]

Hubby talks to me during sex and will often reveal fantasies that drive me wild. He deliberately manipulated me until his fantasies became my own. I have to admit that I was well aware and a willing participant in the manipulations. ? He drove me wild until I took the first step in making fantasy a reality. For our 10th anniversary, I set up our first threesome as an anniversary gift for the two of us. Life has a way of getting busy and its been 14 years. Our relationship is so strong after almost 25 years of marriage that hubby knew he could help me take my fantasies much further now. I set up a couple of threesomes recently to help me feel more comfortable getting into swinging, and we are now looking for our first couple. Although he started the idea of swinging, hubby in no way has ever pushed me. It could have stayed a fantasy. By letting me make the moves as I am comfortable, he knows I'll have no regrets in the long run and will be free to enjoy the experience fully.

 

PS. For those trying to convince your wives to swing. Patience is a virtue that can pay off.

[fun4two 15]

Well it took 2 years before we finally joined the lifestyle...he brought it up first and I shot it down big time. Then a year ago he brought up again...and i finally gave in. Now it seems I make all the arrangements and he just follows...it seems funny that the women normally shoot it down a few times then once they say yes take over the whole thing. Don't know why I waited so long...we are having such a blast...