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We have gone to alcohol free swinging activities. I never realized how important it was. We had a couple two weeks ago at the club I’ve had bad experiences at and definitely had success with zero alcohol. I was worried the whole time walking back with the lady. But I got hard and the confidence went way up. I’ve been on cloud 9 since. I don’t need liquid courage anymore. To socialize, without alcohol, is something you have to learn, but, it’s definitely worth the learning experience.

This is true. Many years ago, my wife and I accepted an invitation to a meeting at a remote mountain cabin from a man and a woman who were married -- just not to each other. We accepted the invitation and subsequently had a couple more nice play dates. About a year after the first meeting, a call came from the woman saying he had been found out. We wished her the best of luck in future endeavors and knew we would never hear from either again. So here is the thing. We made it clear that if either or both got caught that they should not expect either of us to get onto a witness stand and tell lies. They understood and seemed to have already considered their risks. We considered ours. If we encountered a situation like this again, we would consider it on its merits. We have encountered and heard of other married-but-not-to-each other pairs. Although not having played with these others, we don't walk circles around them or treat them like outcasts in social situations. Unless you know the whole story, how can you judge,

Ok people... This next week or so is about to get crazy. We are meeting a couple on Saturday (second meeting-first was just dinner) to have drinks and do some dancing the night before our flight leaves for Hedo for the week. So Saturday night we are staying in the same hotel and seeing where it leads. Then we go off to Hedo until Friday. It's about to get real.

My wife doesn't post here, so I'll say. Before we got serious and got married, she had different boyfriends, kept going back to guys she liked. After we got married and we were monogamous, I told her if she wanted to see old boyfriends it was ok. She did by herself at first, now we do threesomes and couple swaps.

I have to go along with the others douching can upset the balance in the vagina. A shaved, waxed or not the scent and taste should not be unpleasant.