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Where to begin? So let me get this straight, swinging was your idea and you had sex with a better endowed man than your husband for his first time? You had a great time, essentially cuckolding  your husband, not even considering yourself with whether he was ok…..If swinging was your idea, YOU should have made sure HE was the most important person and he was having a great time. What you did was selfish!

 

You essentially fucked another man in front of your husband and showed him how good it was. You should have known he was having trouble if you looked his way???

 

Sorry to be so blunt …..but really, if it’s your idea you should have focused 100% on him…..that is if you ever want it to happen again.

 

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3 hours ago, Davdia said:

Where to begin? So let me get this straight, swinging was your idea and you had sex with a better endowed man than your husband for his first time? You had a great time, essentially cuckolding  your husband, not even considering yourself with whether he was ok…..If swinging was your idea, YOU should have made sure HE was the most important person and he was having a great time. What you did was selfish!

 

You essentially fucked another man in front of your husband and showed him how good it was. You should have known he was having trouble if you looked his way???

 

Sorry to be so blunt …..but really, if it’s your idea you should have focused 100% on him…..that is if you ever want it to happen again.

 

My wife has had a cowboy rodeo in front of me while I played with a dud. And vice verse. We didn’t have a minute of discord about it. It’s not about the wife stopping her swing episode to rescue her husband.  This guy has deeper issues. 

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Believe it or not most of us try swinging to enhance OUR marital sex, not necessarily to watch our spouse screw other people.

I understand his perspective. He probably feels like she cheated on him right in front of him.

Sorry if that offended you,I am only trying to help.

 

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42 minutes ago, Davdia said:

Believe it or not most of us try swinging to enhance OUR marital sex, not necessarily to watch our spouse screw other people.

I understand his perspective. He probably feels like she cheated on him right in front of him.

Sorry if that offended you,I am only trying to help.

 

I’m not offended. You may be right, I may be right, we both may be wrong. That’s why we are discussing it. People who accept the lifestyle don’t feel they are cheating because they have their spouse’s consent. But it’s not for most people. Too contrary to societal norms. Apparently, the husband that we are discussing couldn’t handle it. 

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54 minutes ago, Davdia said:

Believe it or not most of us try swinging to enhance OUR marital sex, not necessarily to watch our spouse screw other people.

I understand his perspective. He probably feels like she cheated on him right in front of him.

Sorry if that offended you,I am only trying to help.

It's interesting that you view these as two separate activities.

 

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1 hour ago, EastInWest said:

It's interesting that you view these as two separate activities.

 

I like to watch my wife have sex and I like to have sex with a new partner. Also like to watch other people have sex. 

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6 hours ago, Davdia said:

Where to begin? So let me get this straight, swinging was your idea and you had sex with a better endowed man than your husband for his first time? You had a great time, essentially cuckolding  your husband, not even considering yourself with whether he was ok…..If swinging was your idea, YOU should have made sure HE was the most important person and he was having a great time. What you did was selfish!

 

You essentially fucked another man in front of your husband and showed him how good it was. You should have known he was having trouble if you looked his way???

 

Sorry to be so blunt …..but really, if it’s your idea you should have focused 100% on him…..that is if you ever want it to happen again.

 

 

3 hours ago, njbm said:

I’m not offended. You may be right, I may be right, we both may be wrong. That’s why we are discussing it. People who accept the lifestyle don’t feel they are cheating because they have their spouse’s consent. But it’s not for most people. Too contrary to societal norms. Apparently, the husband that we are discussing couldn’t handle it. 

Cuckolding was never part of our plan or agreement and that was not something neither me or my husband are into with no disrespect to those that are.

Yes I unintentionally cuckolded him and he could not handle it and now both our futures will be quite different because of it.

For the past week everytime I look back on it now I feel nothing but disgust towards myself and I am actually having nightmares about it and seeing my husbands face from that night is not a turn on for me, I feel horrible I have hurt the most important person in my life to the point where he has decided to walk out of my life, our marriage and our future together.

On top of all that me and my husband have the same social circle who seem scared to even approach me now, even my mom believes I have cheated on him despite my husband making it very clear that's not what happened.

Nobody knows the details only that he was the one who decided to end the marriage.

 

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I just re read your original post.

What I get:

The two of you met and agreed in private to play with a couple.

It was a mate swap situation.

You had a good time.

Your husband was disturbed by your good time and was having less of a good time because of it.

He eventually got up and left. You followed him.

 

Is that a reasonable summation of the story?

 

 If it is, then the only thing that I can see that you did was to not pick up sooner on how he was doing. 

If my wife is enjoying someone else I expect that to be her focus. Yes she does glance over occasionally as do I. The operative word there is occasionally.

Otherwise you did what I would consider reasonable.

Just because he felt bad does NOT mean you cuckolded him.

 The fact that he has not at least somewhat comes to grips at this point means , to me, that there is more going on.

 

Even if you had made some egregious error, I would expect a "normal" response, from just this incident alone , to be something other than divorcing. The Divorce idea may just be one of the avenues of escape that he is trying on for size.

 

I had a similar, but not as extensive, experience. Hurt, crabby, after a weekend party. I did not know why, and my wife had done everything to perfection.

Several days later I had a memory that went all the way back to high school age, that evoked strong emotion. It was however the emotional response of a 17 year old.

Evidently an unresolved emotional response. Triggered by the playtime. That was the cause .

The most embarrassing thing was telling my bride what it was.

 

I think many of us carry around such minor and sometimes not so minor things from a time when we were not mature enough to adequately process them.

 

 I hope for both of your sakes that this gets straightened out.

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Bottom line……if you bring it up and you love your spouse then you had better make sure your spouse had a better time than you…..male or female….at least the first time. Otherwise it’s selfish and can easily end this way.

BTW, if when get tired of feeling sorry for yourself and want some genuine advice that could save your marriage…..message me directly 

I’m the male version of what happened here

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Hey everybody just wanted to say thanks for all thoughts and comments it's been strange since my last post me and my husband have spoken quite a lot lately in the end though that was not enough, he has been living with his brother but him telling me he has found his own place pretty much dashed any hope I had for saving the marriage.

I had a tiny hope that we could work this out but he seems to have spent that time mainly emotionally distancing himself from me, it was strange almost like he seemed at peace with his decision to end the marriage and no there is no other woman involved for those that suspected my husband had been cheating.

I just can't believe ten minutes would have changed both of our lives so dramatically I honestly feel lost while he seems at peace with his descicion.


So yeah that's the update my final one I guess since we have agreed to sell the house at this point all our friends are still completely at a loss to what is going on.

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Sadly, it wasn’t the 10 minutes. It merely served as the catalyst. Think about your needs and wants now, moving forward. Time to put you first. Always welcome back 

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As BG said, it wasn't the ten minutes. You were in trouble long before that event. The fact that you still seem unaware of this fact speaks volumes.

 

You don't want this pattern to repeat itself. Unfortunately, it likely will if you don't take the opportunity to work on yourself.

 

As the saying goes, "If nothing changes, nothing changes." 

 

Good luck.

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I'm sorry you two are splitting up over this.  He doesn't know what a gem you are and he's losing.

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We agree...it wasn't just ten minutes, but a long time building up on his part. The ten minutes was just the tipping point. We are so sorry to hear this but as Baconheads said, he doesn't know what a gem you are and he's losing. There will come a day when he will wake up and realize what he lost, but it will be awhile. In the meantime, we wish you the best and want to remind you it can only get better from here.

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I’m a little shocked that everyone is taking her side and saying that he don’t know what he had…she’s a gem? If he had done the same thing, fucking the other woman without at least checking to see if she was ok, he would be an asshole and and not worth having. Amazing.  Real advise works in both directions people!

 

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On 5/11/2022 at 10:27 AM, AndrewandAnn said:

Swinging is not a good fit for most marriages

This may indeed may be true, but OTOH people, men and women, are not naturally monogamous either.  Perhaps swinging is not necessarily the best way to be nonmonogamous.  We, the five of us, are a poly family, although we have,  on occasion, played with others.

 

Every marriage, every relationship, every family with a teenager should start with a discussion about how people are not naturally monogamous and how that will be dealt with.  "Fight it" should not be the default response.

 

You raise such a thought provoking point that I need to read your other posts.

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Davidia, Ten minutes in she noticed he was having issues. He got up and walked out .She followed him.

 Other than having him wired to a monitor what more is to be done?

 

Yes We try to be aware of each other in these situations, neither of us wants or needs a sitter though.

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2 minutes ago, lcmim said:

Davidia, Ten minutes in she noticed he was having issues. He got up and walked out .She followed him.

 Other than having him wired to a monitor what more is to be done?

 

Yes We try to be aware of each other in these situations, neither of us wants or needs a sitter though.

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Swinging was her idea. She should have made sure he was okay BEFORE she was, simple as that. Instead she was so caught up in getting what she wanted she never even checked on him. He was getting dressed before she even noticed he wasn’t having a good time. For him 10 min may as well have been a lifetime. She acted selfish ……this would be totally different if it was his idea.

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They were both adults, engaging in adult activities. He had agreed to go. It’s not a hand holding situation. You seem fixated on these 10 minutes. Clearly the issue at hand was larger . His issues with his marriage didn’t end that night. But merely an excuse. Everything takes work and he mailed it in.

There , I’ve said it 

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Davidia,

Again referring to the OP;

They were just starting out.

They went together, met a couple together, decided in private  that they would proceed together.

It went South.

They left together.

I am unsure as to how much  either could be sure of the others reaction up front.

Sometimes you don't know  until you know.

 

We have a whole history of firsts that each could have gone either way. Knowing how you react and imagining how you will react are not always the same thing.

 

I concur with the view that he was carrying something inside him. Perhaps he was even unaware of it. Triggers are odd that way.

 

I do not think "fault" or "blame" really applies here.

Unfortunate perhaps?

What is going on inside of him is likely powerful, perhaps beyond his immediate ability to control except by avoidance.

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On 7/26/2022 at 5:50 PM, wife86 said:

I had a tiny hope that we could work this out but he seems to have spent that time mainly emotionally distancing himself from me, it was strange almost like he seemed at peace with his decision to end the marriage and no there is no other woman involved for those that suspected my husband had been cheating.

I just can't believe ten minutes would have changed both of our lives so dramatically I honestly feel lost while he seems at peace with his descicion.

I am sorry that this is how this story ends.

 

I agree strongly with those saying the ten minutes aren't the problem.

 

I don't know either of you, but people often attempt swinging to save a troubled relationship. It is possible that your husband had already become profoundly unhappy in some part of his mind, but still wanted a way to make the marriage work. The failure cemented his unhappiness and he came to an unpleasant realization that he has given up.

 

This is not necessarily a reflection on you at all. Sometimes people simply change with time and misinterpret what they are failing, or take drastic measures to try to avoid confronting it.

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Maybe you are the normal here but I can easily see his side of this and 10 minutes is plenty of time to destroy a marriage.

Some of you forget when giving advice that your in a very small percentage of couples that are ok with swinging.

In most marriages 10 minutes is more than enough. Clearly he wasn’t ready. I’d bet she would have known that in less than a minute if she was paying attention.

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So in other words, you’ve been bitten. Hence, your view might be the one that’s hazy ? 
I think no matter what side of the fence anyone is on. This marriage was doomed, regardless of the night in question 

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1 hour ago, Davdia said:

Maybe you are the normal here but I can easily see his side of this and 10 minutes is plenty of time to destroy a marriage.

Some of you forget when giving advice that your in a very small percentage of couples that are ok with swinging.

In most marriages 10 minutes is more than enough. Clearly he wasn’t ready. I’d bet she would have known that in less than a minute if she was paying attention.

I'm not forgetting that at all. It's just a fact that a significant percentage of people try open relationships and swinging to patch up problems.

 

A man who went into this excited to try it for what it is would not fall *entirely* apart at the realization that it simply wasn't fun after all.

 

My (very speculative) guess is that he hit some sort of midlife crisis, felt strongly that he needed to have sex with more women - a primal drive - and could accept his wife having sex with other men to do so.

 

He then found out he was wrong and lost all hope for salvaging his current lifestyle. It happens.

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16 minutes ago, bbarnsworth said:

I'm going to have to disagree with the idea that 10 minutes can destroy a marriage (at least in this case).

 

This was consensual act. Nobody cheated on anybody. There wasn't a protracted affair, there wasn't even a drunken hookup with a stranger. This was a consensual situation. That the husband withdrew after it, and kept refusing overtures to talk things through, and wouldn't go for counseling? Sorry, the only reason the 10 minutes mattered is because the husband intentionally torpedoed the marriage. There's a lot more going on here than we know about. This 10 minutes was but a symptom of much larger situations.

 

I mean seriously...how many of us would give up on a marriage after just 10 minutes of problem? Are we THAT uncommitted to making it work? Or did the "...for worse." part not mean anything? No marriage is perfect. It takes time and effort. Being able (much less willing) to walk away from it all after just 10 minutes shows a serious lack of commitment to the marriage. I think this marriage would have ended anyway, just due to another supposed reason.

Thank you !

Glad to see some people get it 

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On 7/28/2022 at 6:49 PM, EastInWest said:

I'm not forgetting that at all. It's just a fact that a significant percentage of people try open relationships and swinging to patch up problems.

 

A man who went into this excited to try it for what it is would not fall *entirely* apart at the realization that it simply wasn't fun after all.

 

My (very speculative) guess is that he hit some sort of midlife crisis, felt strongly that he needed to have sex with more women - a primal drive - and could accept his wife having sex with other men to do so.

 

He then found out he was wrong and lost all hope for salvaging his current lifestyle. It happens.

Just to clarify he was not really that excited and thinking back on it now which is all I have been doing going through that evening over and over again maybe I should have caught his apprehension because I remember he was so nervous and seemed uncomfortable with the whole situation in the car while we drove over there.

I was the one who really was excited to try it and now here I am sitting in a big house alone that soon will be occupied by somebody else and I finally told my best friend what had happened and she took his side in this and told me I should have stopped the second I noticed his apprehension, meaning in the car on the way before we even got to the place.

Maybe I should have asked him are you okay and if he was ready and told him it's okay if he was not and we could turn the car around but I didn't and now everything has changed.

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On 7/28/2022 at 12:39 PM, bbarnsworth said:

Being able (much less willing) to walk away from it all after just 10 minutes shows a serious lack of commitment to the marriage.

Your entire post is well thought out and well stated.

 

We've all have had bad ideas in our poly family (only a few involving sex), where one of us has talked one or more of the others into something that didn't work out or even became a disaster.   But we don't lay blame, we talk it through, think about if readjusting could make it a success, try again (maybe), and when appropriate don't do that or go there again.  Life is full of those situations. 

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On 5/10/2022 at 6:18 PM, wife86 said:

... we have been talking about trying for years ...

... I asked my husband if he liked her and he said yes she is a very attractive woman...

... I feel I have royally messed up and I feel terrible seeing him like this, I was the one who brought up swinging and talked him into it.

 

4 hours ago, wife86 said:

...Maybe I should have asked him are you okay and if he was ready...

Don't blame yourself for what happened.  Your husband should have spoken up if he wasn't comfortable.  It wasn't as if you sprung this on him, he had numerous opportunities to back off rather than giving overt indications that he was good to go.

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Seriously people, stop saying it wasn’t her fault, your giving bad advice and comforting someone who destroyed another persons life.  Her friend is right to take his side…..This was her idea!!! She should have made sure he had a better time than she did, PERIOD! Anything less was selfish. If you can only see her side, you shouldn’t give her advice. She already knows what she did wrong……let others learn from this mistake instead of covering it up.  Bottom line is it was her idea, if she had made sure it was all about him, maybe even for the first several times, they would for sure still be together.
If you love your spouse, you’re more worried about their happiness than your own.  This was not what happened here.

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On 7/28/2022 at 7:31 AM, couplers said:

This may indeed may be true, but OTOH people, men and women, are not naturally monogamous either.  Perhaps swinging is not necessarily the best way to be nonmonogamous.  We, the five of us, are a poly family, although we have,  on occasion, played with others.

 

Every marriage, every relationship, every family with a teenager should start with a discussion about how people are not naturally monogamous and how that will be dealt with.  "Fight it" should not be the default response.

 

You raise such a thought provoking point that I need to read your other posts.

 

 

 

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I still stand by my post. I would be willing to bet money that more swinging disasters are because the one who asked for it looked out for their own interest over their partners first. I’m not against swinging, I’m against selfishness. We all know if she had made sure he started with the other woman first ( because it was her idea)  it would have given him every out. Then it would have been on him. There are dozens of post here where this exact thing happens. Oddly enough if this same thing happened to her, especially if she was apprehensive, everyone would be posting that it was his fault for not paying attention to her. Crazy double standard…..love and respect is love and respect, no matter gender. 

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On 8/8/2022 at 1:00 PM, Davdia said:

This was her idea!!! She should have made sure he had a better time than she did, PERIOD! Anything less was selfish. If you can only see her side, you shouldn’t give her advice. She already knows what she did wrong……let others learn from this mistake instead of covering it up.  Bottom line is it was her idea, if she had made sure it was all about him, maybe even for the first several times, they would for sure still be together.

 

So?

 

If someone is that needy and that much of a wuss they aren't capable of having a hand in charting the course during a first swing encounter, then I'll agree they shouldn't be swinging.  Problem is, unless I missed that part of it, I don't remember her tying him up and dragging him in there.  He agreed to it, so now doesn't get to play the poor pitiful me victim act whining that it's everyone's fault but his own.

 

I also stand by if the first 10 minutes of anything makes you leave a marriage, you were already checked out to start with. Again, just an excuse to push your failures off on someone else.  Maybe there are good reasons why you were already checked out, or maybe not good reasons, but fact is, you were already checked out.  Lots and lots of couples have tried swinging, and guess what, each and every one of those involved a spouse fucking someone else for 10 minutes. A lot of those couples decide it's not for them, and just move on with life together. They may decide that in a calm thoughtful discussing, in a discussion filled with jealousy, or maybe even an angry discussion. End result is they move on.

 

In terms of "you shouldn't give her advice", you are on the wrong website for that.  Everyone is welcome to hold and express their opinion, but folks here are going to call it like they see it. If that's not the same way you see it, then that doesn't mean they don't have a right to express it.

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8 hours ago, Davdia said:

if she had made sure he started with the other woman first ( because it was her idea)  it would have given him every out.

Agreed.  But I think it would have turned out the same - her husband, post-orgasm after having his fun, would have reacted the same when the other guy had his hands on her tits, his dick in her pussy, and she started enjoying herself.

 

OTOH, hubby let me go first by letting me keep my ex-fiancé as a boyfriend/lover while he remained monogamous.  It made me feel incredibly powerful, confident, loved, and in control.  After two years, I was the one who wanted him to play.

 

A side thought, whatever happened to the adage that husbands get the couple into swinging, while the wife keeps them there?

 

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2 minutes ago, couplers said:

But I think it would have turned out the same - her husband, post-orgasm after having his fun, would have reacted the same when the other guy had his hands on her tits, his dick in her pussy, and she started enjoying herself.

 

Exactly.  The die was cast as soon as "yes" was his answer to the swinging question.

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23 minutes ago, cplnuswing said:

 

So?

 

If someone is that needy and that much of a wuss they aren't capable of having a hand in charting the course during a first swing encounter, then I'll agree they shouldn't be swinging.  Problem is, unless I missed that part of it, I don't remember her tying him up and dragging him in there.  He agreed to it, so now doesn't get to play the poor pitiful me victim act whining that it's everyone's fault but his own.

 

I also stand by if the first 10 minutes of anything makes you leave a marriage, you were already checked out to start with. Again, just an excuse to push your failures off on someone else.  Maybe there are good reasons why you were already checked out, or maybe not good reasons, but fact is, you were already checked out.  Lots and lots of couples have tried swinging, and guess what, each and every one of those involved a spouse fucking someone else for 10 minutes. A lot of those couples decide it's not for them, and just move on with life together. They may decide that in a calm thoughtful discussing, in a discussion filled with jealousy, or maybe even an angry discussion. End result is they move on.

 

In terms of "you shouldn't give her advice", you are on the wrong website for that.  Everyone is welcome to hold and express their opinion, but folks here are going to call it like they see it. If that's not the same way you see it, then that doesn't mean they don't have a right to express it.

Hi again I just wanna mention the reason he reacted to strongly is because of a trauma he had experienced that he told me about afterwards,  it was not selfishness the whole experience with me and other man became a trigger for him given a previous experience that made him struggle with intimacy.

He had been ashamed of that for years and he never blamed me since I did not know about it, but his experience ended up humiliating him and what happened to him was cruel and I can't imagine doing that to another person what that woman did to him.

I wanted to work through it and help him and be there for him but decided to leave me instead and if he walked through the door right now and told me had had reconsidered I would hug him tightly and never let him go.

But I had become a trigger for him and he told me all he could think about when he saw me was me with the other man and it became mental torture for him.

He was not wired for that and I understand that now but him walking away hurts it hurts a lot .

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5 minutes ago, wife86 said:

Hi again I just wanna mention

Thank you for explaining what is undoubtedly a complex situation.  My hope is that in some small way the discussion here had some merit.  Take care. 

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10 minutes ago, wife86 said:

Hi again I just wanna mention the reason he reacted to strongly is because of a trauma he had experienced that he told me about afterwards,  it was not selfishness the whole experience with me and other man became a trigger for him given a previous experience that made him struggle with intimacy.

 

Thanks for clarifying that, and I'm sorry he has been carrying that around all these years, but I still stand by that was on HIM to deal with, not you. So let's say he had a long-term substance abuse problem and refused to try to deal with it and it led to the end of the marriage, no one would say that was your fault, it would clearly be his issue alone. That's the way I see this. He knew that issue was there, he had chosen to never tell you about it, and he chose to say yes to swinging. Those are some pretty substantial decisions on his part, way more than the minor who did what when during your first swinging experience.

 

In terms of getting back together, I don't want to give false hope, but I think I said something early in this thread about time heals all wounds or along those lines. If I didn't, I should have. This is all still relatively fresh, a lot of couples have overcome very serious things given some time.

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wife86 wrote:"I wanted to work through it and help him and be there for him but decided to leave me instead and if he walked through the door right now and told me had had reconsidered I would hug him tightly and never let him go."

 

He is a lucky man. 

 

 

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For those reading this thread is the future:

Davidia has made some strong points, it would be a good thing to have some context.

I suggest going to his profile and clicking the icon for past posts and reading everything starting in 2016. It might help clarify.

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14 hours ago, wife86 said:

Hi again I just wanna mention the reason he reacted to strongly is because of a trauma he had experienced that he told me about afterwards,  it was not selfishness the whole experience with me and other man became a trigger for him given a previous experience that made him struggle with intimacy.

My worry is that just as he swept his earlier trauma under the rug (his own wife knew nothing about it), he is sweeping this current trauma under the rug as well.

 

All of us armchair psychologists would tell you that in order to get over life's difficulties, we need to talk things through and accept them, rather than take the easy way out and pretend they never happened. 

 

One of the things that makes us uniquely human is to sit still in the face of adversity and use our intellect to figure our way out of the situation,  rather than turning tail and running. 

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On 5/11/2022 at 10:05 AM, wife86 said:

 

 

He finally decided to talk today and he told me did not blame me for anything but felt he struggled with it and like someone posted here he can't unsee that moment where I was enjoying myself he just keeps getting reminded of it and it's hard for him.
 

 

On 8/7/2022 at 9:28 AM, wife86 said:

Just to clarify he was not really that excited and thinking back on it now which is all I have been doing going through that evening over and over again maybe I should have caught his apprehension because I remember he was so nervous and seemed uncomfortable with the whole situation in the car while we drove over there.

I was the one who really was excited to try it and now here I am sitting in a big house alone that soon will be occupied by somebody else and I finally told my best friend what had happened and she took his side in this and told me I should have stopped the second I noticed his apprehension, meaning in the car on the way before we even got to the place.

Maybe I should have asked him are you okay and if he was ready and told him it's okay if he was not and we could turn the car around but I didn't and now everything has changed.


 

Everyone keeps saying that he has prior issues causing this and that 10 min cant make a man leave his marriage but I disagree, these two statements says everything.  He wasn’t ready, for someone not ready to see this it can be the end of your world. 

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On 6/30/2022 at 5:43 AM, wife86 said:

He asked me for a divorce a few days ago and he already contacted a lawyer and told me I needed to do the same thing since we can't have the same lawyer.

Even my friends like him a lot and they see that he is hurting and has changed and seem distant and everyone is blaming me without saying anything despite him making it clear I had done nothing wrong.

 

I am saddened by this. I hate it for the both of you.

 

Hopefully you will both recover and over time move on to better and brighter things.

 

He definitely needs healing. Please help him find this. Make some suggestions to friends and family discretely.  There are some amazing organizations out there that deal with this. 

 

You might need some as well.  Time does heal most things but even then we might need a little help.

 

As always keep in touch, let us all know if you need anything.

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On 8/25/2022 at 5:56 PM, herpob said:

 

I am saddened by this. I hate it for the both of you.

 

Hopefully you will both recover and over time move on to better and brighter things.

 

He definitely needs healing. Please help him find this. Make some suggestions to friends and family discretely.  There are some amazing organizations out there that deal with this. 

 

You might need some as well.  Time does heal most things but even then we might need a little help.

 

As always keep in touch, let us all know if you need anything.


Thank you he came by a week ago and wanted to pick up some stuff we ended up talking for almost three hours he was not so anxious anymore I even hugged him when he walked in I was honestly glad to see him and he did not flinch or pull away.

I told him everything how I had been doing and he told me how he was doing it was no yelling or drama more him just listening to how I have been doing and he was not doing much better, I decided to make one final attempt and asked him to please move back home.

He seemed receptive and he ended up staying the night and even slept in the same bed .. no sex but he was sleeping i just watched him for maybe half an hour while he slept and when I woke up he was still sleeping next to me I was so happy to see that he had not left or was in the guest room again.

We ate breakfast together and it was probably the most normal day I have had in awhile and he just said how sorry he was for not telling about what had happened to him about the trauma I told him I was sorry too. He went to work and I just decided to unpack his stuff that he had packed in boxes and put his things back he came home and he never said anything.

We are giving this another go he also told he started seeing a therapist to deal with his trauma and we are also gonna see someone as a couple.

He had also told the renter that he was not gonna move into the flat after all so he is stuck with me for the time being ;)

 

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We are giving this another go he also told he started seeing a therapist to deal with his trauma and we are also gonna see someone as a couple.

He had also told the renter that he was not gonna move into the flat after all so he is stuck with me for the time being ;)

 

I'm so glad that he's coming around.  That he's seeing your relationship as something worth working on and saving.  

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Thank you he came by a week ago and wanted to pick up some stuff we ended up talking for almost three hours he was not so anxious anymore I even hugged him when he walked in I was honestly glad to see him and he did not flinch or pull away.

I told him everything how I had been doing and he told me how he was doing it was no yelling or drama more him just listening to how I have been doing and he was not doing much better, I decided to make one final attempt and asked him to please move back home.

He seemed receptive and he ended up staying the night and even slept in the same bed .. no sex but he was sleeping i just watched him for maybe half an hour while he slept and when I woke up he was still sleeping next to me I was so happy to see that he had not left or was in the guest room again.

We ate breakfast together and it was probably the most normal day I have had in awhile and he just said how sorry he was for not telling about what had happened to him about the trauma I told him I was sorry too. He went to work and I just decided to unpack his stuff that he had packed in boxes and put his things back he came home and he never said anything.

We are giving this another go he also told he started seeing a therapist to deal with his trauma and we are also gonna see someone as a couple.

He had also told the renter that he was not gonna move into the flat after all so he is stuck with me for the time being ;)

 

I’m glad for both of you, you do however have a long road ahead of you, he is by no means okay. 
You hurt him deeply and you were supposed to be the one he could trust no matter what, he will not forget this ever.
I wonder if you could give some advice from your experience so that other newbie’s don’t make the same mistake as you did?

If  you could give us the biggest takeaway from your experience, what would it be?

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      "Sushhhhh baby, you are all right!" the woman cooed, "What is worrying you? You don't have to do any of this if you are afraid."
       
      Wendy snuggled against the comforting figure, put her face against the warm, feminine neck, and nuzzled her cheek, kissing it gently. Her hand moved without command to the woman's breast, and she felt the nipple harden as she caressed it gently. The shaking was easing now, and Wendy felt a little bolder. She turned the woman's face towards her, looked into her eyes, and moved forward slowly, anticipating a gentle and subtle kiss. The tongue was not stiff and probing like a man's but gentle, enticing, and exciting. Wendy's free hand moved down to the woman's belly and softly caressed the feminine rounded shape moving slowly downwards to find that sweetly perfumed garden where a secret lotus stem was waiting to be stroked.
       
      Hands caressed breasts and pussy. Now both girls turned on to each other. John watched, fascinated. He had never seen Wendy with another woman, and his cock raged hard inside his pants. As if in a dream, Wendy pushed the girl gently onto the pool table so her bottom was on edge. She bent down, opened her legs, put them on her shoulders, and snuggled her face between them, savoring the beautiful feminine smells and tastes. Gently opening up the inner lips with her tongue, finding her clit and teasing, teasing just off the edge, making her wait for the full pleasure. Female wetness was seeping all over Wendy's face as the girl was getting nearer and nearer to release.

      A few minutes passed, and the girl pushed Wendy off, got onto the table, and said, "Get up here with me. We can pleasure each other now!"

      Wendy climbed up, the shakes all gone now. Her pussy was soaking wet, and her breasts were tender with erect nipples and very sensitive. She lifted her skirt, revealing the stockings and suspenders without anything else. The two girls turned head to toe and started a frantic licking expedition to cunt heaven.

      Wendy felt a body get up behind her and present a long stiff penis to her backside. The man tried gently to insert it in her cunt where the girl was licking hard; it slipped in and thrust a few times. The girl firmly grassed it and slid it up the crack between her buttocks, tickling her anus with the end. Wendy's whole valley was wet and slippery. The long thin cock nudged open her arse and gently snaked into her bottom.

      Wendy's heart raced again; this was what she had dreamed of for months! What surprised her was that the cock inside her was giving almost more pleasure than having her pussy sucked. The combination was too great. A massive climax took over, and she nearly fainted with joy.

      As she fell over the edge into an abyss of pleasure, the man behind speeded up, grunted, and sank deep inside her, flooding her back passage with his fluids. Wendy opened her eyes and looked up at John, who stood open-mouthed, watching her antics. He had a girl on her knees sucking his rigid cock, but his eyes were transfixed on Wendy. She smiled, blew him a kiss, and licked her lips covered in pussy juice from the girl beneath her. John shuddered and spent down the girl's throat pumping his hips in time with his spurts.

      He gently pushed the girl to one side, staggered to Wendy with his pants down by his feet, and said, "Well, you are hot; I could not believe how sexy you are. I am so proud of you; better than my wildest dreams was that fantastic to watch."

      Wendy thought to herself, "Why did I panic? This is fantastic, better than the fantasies we have. This is real sex."
       
      A couple came up to them. The man smiled. "I am Tommy. This is Raquel, my wife. We just watched you and nearly came with you. Would you join us at the table for a foursome?"
       
      Wendy reached down and felt his cock inside his pants. It was semi-hard and big. She turned to John and Raquel, "Let's get together. We can play here or in one of the smaller rooms with a nice bed?"

      They entered the room together. Wendy pushed down her long skirt and flipped off her top. She was naked except for her stockings and suspenders. Raquel slipped out of her long ball gown, revealing a very firm 36's and a sweet little tight arse on top of a pair of legs to die for. She was near perfect. Tommy was muscular with a flat hard six-pack stomach and an erection starting to grow to full size as he gently stroked himself. John was naked in a flash, only half erect after his escapade down the other girl's throat. Wendy turned to Tommy, who scooped her up in his arms and carried her over to the king-sized bed, his erect cock bouncing up and down as he stepped forward. Raquel reached out for John, smiled softly, and whispered, "Come and play with me and let me get you hard again. We will watch them while I regenerate your erection."

      John looked down at her fair perfection, those soft curves all running down into the valley between her legs. A golden pussy fuzz glinted in the soft lights. He reached for her and pulled her towards him. A first gentle kiss, lips opened up, and tongues tenderly searched each other out, exploring each other. His hands held her back, then softly slid down over her buttocks, caressing that incredible apple shape of her bottom. She pulled him harder into her body.

      As Raquel responded to the stimuli, her hand slid down to feel his penis, which was gently growing back to a man-size stiffness. Their kisses became more ardent, and deeper tongues were now demanding, not exploring. Hands moved over her body.

      John broke off the long kiss and searched her neck with his lips and tongue. She shuddered, and he felt her open her legs and move into his body. She thrust her pubis against his leg and started to move up and down. He could feel the wetness spreading along his thigh. John had now reached her breast with his lips and was attacking her nipple, which was bone hard. Raquel started to pant and squirm harder against his leg.

      Suddenly Raquel broke away and fell back onto the bed beside Tommy and Wendy's entwined bodies. Raquel reached up, and John dived onto her, gently landing without his weight on her. Raquel squirmed around so she was head-to-toe with him, with her on her back. Raquel reached up and grasped his nearly hard cock. She slipped her mouth over the head as she pulled back his tight foreskin and started to suck him to total hardness.

      John's head was between her legs. His mouth opened up her secret garden exploring the sides and little creases. He could tell her clit was begging for attention, and he made her wait. He felt careful with his tongue and could feel the hardness and swelling around her clit, which was now erect like a mini penis. His tongue explored her depths and penetrated her cunt, where he would follow with his cock shortly. Raquel was getting agitated and frustrated. She wanted attention on her clit, so John moved his tongue down the crease between her legs out of her cunt and down to her anus. As it reached the little rosebud, she shuddered and thrust her hips against his face.

      Raquel was working hard on making his cock whole again and hard enough to get inside her to ease that burning desire. She threw him over onto his back, climbed on top, grasped his penis in her hand, aimed for her inner lips, and squatted down with a satisfied sigh. John tried to thrust up against her downstrokes, and they found a comfortable rhythm that would gently build to a glorious climax.

      Tommy knelt beside John and Raquel with Wendy's legs over his shoulders, thrusting energetically into her pussy. Wendy's bottom hardly touched the bed as his cock shuttled in and out of her dripping pussy. Raquel leaned over and kissed him hard on his mouth while her fingers searched for Wendy's cunt. Wendy pushed her hand out to John, grasped his face, and pulled it over for a kiss. As the four fucked into each other's partners, the respective partners smiled and kissed each other. Raquel started to whimper like a small cat. Her eyes rolled up as she reached her first climax, and her face distorted. A moan escaped her lips. "Fuck it harder! Fuck it, my cunt is exploding. Ohhhhhhhhh!"

      Raquel collapsed in a heap on top of John. He rolled her off and crawled around to the other two. Tommy rolled Wendy off him, and she got onto all fours. John hit her from the rear straight into her cunt, deep and hard. She thrust back to meet him harder and faster. Tommy went for the face and slid his cock deep into her mouth, making her gag a little, setting a fast pace that could never last. Tommy grunted and exploded semen down her throat, pumping and pumping till he was spurting on empty. Wendy cried out and shuddered and shuddered as she lost it in a huge one. John followed a few thrusts later. With a sigh and a deep thrust, he unloaded inside Wendy.

      The three untangled themselves. John lay on his side facing Tommy, and Raquel rested against him, her head using his hips as a pillow. Tommy and Wendy took up a similar position facing them. Wendy was fascinated with Tommy's penis, which had shrunk to a little wrinkled sausage. She played with it tenderly, remembering how hard and energetic it had just been. John was exploring Raquel's inner sanctuary in a lazy, tender way.

      Raquel got up, poured four glasses of wine from a bottle on the side table, and brought them to the bed. They all sipped and chatted quietly, enjoying the aftermath of the passion. Wendy could feel a slippery liquid seeping out between her legs. She reflected on how wonderful the party had started and how much better real sex in a group was than watching and fantasizing.

      Wendy said, "John, I need to use the bathroom. I will be back shortly. Will you wait here for me?"

      "Of course, darling," he smiled and added. "Come back when you are ready!" She laughed and left the room.

      Three girls and two men burst in a few minutes later, laughing and jostling each other. "Can we use the bed or join you if you haven't finished?" one girl asked. "Sure, get on and join us," John replied with a smile.

      Each girl selected a mate and sidled up to him as bodies entwined and hands were everywhere. The scene changed from relaxed, easy caresses to hot passion. John was having trouble getting hard again so soon after the last session. One of the two guys noticed and put his head in his lap, sucking gently on his cock. The girls watched with rapt interest. John froze for a second. This had never happened before. Then he relaxed as he thought to himself Wendy does this to me all the time. I go down on her. She won't mind, so what's the problem? John laid back and started enjoying a new experience.

      Wendy walked naked through the large room towards the lady's bathroom, passing groups and couples in all types of contortions. One threesome had a man on all fours, the girl on his back legs wrapped around the guy on top as he fucked vigorously. Her head was bobbing about like a broken rag doll. The whimpers coming from her showed she was in fuck heaven. Wendy passed them and smiled. She could not believe how many different positions were being displayed.

      In the bathroom, a girl was sitting on the side where the washbasins were, legs wide open, washing out the fluids that had been pumped into her. She licked her fingers and said, "Yummy, don't you just love that salty taste? I just got too full after a big gangbang. I had eight inside me, one after the other. Some of the greedy buggers came back for seconds and thirds." Wendy asked, "How long did you do it for?" The girl said, "About an hour and a half. I am a bit sore now and need a rest to recover after coming so many times."

      Wendy left the bathroom and wandered down a corridor from the large room. She heard sounds from a room; she stopped and looked in through the open door. Nine men were around this one girl who was being fucked from behind by one with another in her mouth, and a few were by her head. She had a cock in each hand, and the others were masturbating around her. The guy in her pussy speeded up and pulled out, rubbing himself furiously. He spurted all over her bottom. Another took his place and speared her without ceremony pushing in and out of her sweet little pussy. He inserted a finger up her bottom, and she wriggled and cried out, "Fuck my arse as well!"

      The men pulled out and rolled her over. One climbed underneath. She sat on his cock and lay on his chest. Another pulled her cheeks apart, stretching her anus slightly open. He rubbed semen that had seeped from her pussy around her dark hole to ease his passage and penetrated her slowly. The other guys were in her mouth, between her breasts, anywhere they could get.

      Wendy watched the action, fascinated. This was what she had dreamed of in every fantasy. One of the guys with nowhere to fuck noticed her standing by the door and came over and said, "Join us, lovely. We would love to satisfy your desires and fuck you senseless."

      Wendy entered the room as if in a dream; her fantasy had finally come true. Three guys remained with the girl. The other six moved over to Wendy. She lay on her back, waiting for it to happen. A man's body leaned over her, his cock hard and erect, probing her face as he bent over her and probed her cunt with his tongue. She grasped that beautiful cock and sucked it to absolute hardness. Hands over her breasts, tongues in ears and around her neck, hands now everywhere. Her body had become one large erogenous zone. The tongue in her pussy was replaced with a very large cock which started slowly and stepped up as the rhythm became one for both.

      For the next hour, Wendy felt cocks in all her parts, fluids being pumped and splashed. Each orgasm she experienced lifted her higher and higher until she lapsed into oblivion and was gently laid to rest, covered in semen and a little sore from the multiple entries. One vague recollection towards the end was of two cocks inside her pussy together, stretching her and giving her a final massive orgasm. Wendy drifted on the edge of exhaustion, languishing in the euphoria of her greatest fantasy, a gangbang. She lay there with semen dripping from her pussy, running down the crease between her legs. She fingered her anus softly, rubbing in the slippery cream to ease the soreness. She felt wonderful.

      After half an hour, she got up and returned to the room where she had left John. She passed Mistral, Tim, Greg, and Susan on the way, heading upstairs. As they passed her, they smiled at her sticky legs and body, and one said, "You sure have had some fun, huh, Wendy?"

      She arrived at the room and stepped inside. John was entwined with another girl, and a guy gently probed him while the girl tried to get him hard again. Wendy watched her man and smiled to herself. "Now he knows what it feels like to be fucked up the arse. Once used to the stretching, it is yummy."

      Wendy called him, "Honey, will you shower and sauna with me? I need to clean up a bit?"

      "OK, babe, let's get showered and find where Tim and Mistral are," John replied. "They did promise us a special time together, but I haven't seen them tonight."

      Mistral took John to one side the next day at work and said, "I know you both enjoyed your first swinging party; sorry we never got together. Would you both like to join Susan, Greg, Tim, and me the weekend after next at our place for just a casual dinner and some fun?"

      "Sure, we would not miss it!" John quickly replied. Mistral said, "Greg told me he saw Wendy walking past him in stockings and suspenders. He said she has a fabulous body, her cunt dripping down her legs, and he wants to fuck her after dinner. You can have Susan and me together if you fancy. It will be a hot night!" With a wide grin, John quickly shot back, "How about six all together in the sauna then?"
       
    • By Spoomonkey
      I don't remember - in detail - just what it was that was said between myself and Marilyn that convinced her to swing. I know that I didn't discover the hidden key to the floodgate. But now, as I sit here thinking of her, picturing the passion on her face as she jerks another man's cock, I am flooded with excitement about the next time. But this is a story about our first time.

      Most people are sexual caterpillars, humping through life, eating off the same leaf, and waiting to be taken as lunch by whatever bird it is that finds us delectable. Some of us evolve. I've had the pleasure of watching Mari become a truly stunning sexual creature - a truly amazing phoenix on fire. I recall the long and sometimes frustrating 'raccoon stage' from the first talk to the first play. I remember waiting like a child for Christmas - eager and smiling, hopeful and naive. And I remember watching Mari emerge.

      It was a Friday night - our second at a club. I am not sure how many expectations either of us had - we'd promised ourselves not to 'expect.' We arrived early - when the TVs had not yet flipped over to porn movies and still played the Discovery Channel. Pretzel baskets not yet out, Mari and I found a place at the liquor-less bar. Our first time at a club, we went with a couple that we were friends with. They'd monopolized us that night, and we wanted to branch out - to meet new friends - to try new things. Nothing against them, we thought the world of those two, but we were ready to fly solo. So we waited. Unsure of how to talk to anyone - unsure of what to do next. I think we clung to that bar for an hour, Mari in her brown mini and sheer black top, me in a stew of nervousness that I hadn't felt since junior high. Eyes were on Mari - I could feel that. Not at all unexpected with her long legs riding a lucky barstool, gorgeous and generous breasts threatening to pour from her low top, bright green eyes dancing between a perfect smile and brown/red hair that could melt any man. I remember watching people watching us, watching them stare shamelessly at her.

      The club filled quickly that night - couples made their way to familiar cliques as a flood of single men made helpless attempts to get in on the play. I didn't know what we were looking for, but I was hopeful that we'd find it - so I took Mari by the hand and decided to explore. The barstools were doing nothing but putting our backs to the crowd. I wasn't surprised when a clumsily discreet gaggle of singles followed my Mari like puppies as we slowly made our way from room to room. Eventually, we found ourselves on the 'party floor' with a half dozen single men who tried so very hard to look casual but were obviously hoping that their choice of clothes or hairstyle had been the perfect one - and that Mari would snatch them up before they knew what hit them. Feeling a bit ornery, I leaned back against the wall, my beer in one hand, and whispered to Mari, "I want you to go down on me." I think the request shocked her a bit.

      "Right. Right now? Right here?" I could tell that she was feeling like a bad girl - she had the look, the walk. I knew she wanted to play - and I could think of no better way than to tease a crowd of men.

      "Yes," I said, smiling. "Right here and right now." I reached down to unzip myself as she dropped to her knees in front of me. My cock had been hard all day, knowing that tonight we'd be here - chasing the 'unexpected' - and it was obvious that Mari shared my excitement as she took me all the way down with one eager move. Her tongue danced on my shaft as her head bobbed happily. Her expert hands worked on what little cock she couldn't take in, and twelve eyes on six single men ate every movement. I was - for a short time - king of the 'party floor' as the most incredible woman in the club sucked my cock in front of a half dozen. I realized that as incredible as this was - this spotlight on my wife's giftedness - it was just the first step, a cracking of the egg, so to speak - the cocoon was just starting to open. Mari gobbled me with abandon, surprisingly unashamed, wonderfully aware of nothing but her husband's eager erection and approaching release. I sipped my beer and grinned as hungry eyes locked on the back of Mari's head. I could have watched that scene all night long, but it was far too early to 'cash in my chips.' Besides - I got to take this beauty home - so I helped her to her feet as she wiped the corners of her mouth. I think I saw a blush then, but it could have been desire. Either way, it didn't slow her down. I was ready to head downstairs and leave this group to their own devices, but a conversation about something - I don't remember what - kept me in place.

      Mari was approached by a single guy, and I remember thinking that it would be good for her to flirt. So - I turned my attention to whatever meaningless banter I was sharing - and left Mari to her fun. I don't know how long I talked - but I remember turning to look at Mari and the one guy with balls enough to approach her. And was surprised to see them kissing deeply, his hand enjoying her perfect breast. I processed a momentary jealousy. Who wouldn't be jealous of a woman as beautiful as Marilyn? What man in his right mind would offer such a perfect woman to the wiles of desperate single men? The kind of man who is so secure in his soulmate's love that he knows that no one will ever touch her heart just by groping her boob. And with that, I was over it. And my wicked smile returned.

      "Do I need to go get supplies?" I asked as I walked up behind Mari.

      "Hmmm?" She asked, somewhat dreamily, obviously ready to try her first threesome.

      "Supplies. Condoms." I said, trying not to kill the moment.

      "They're downstairs." Mari looked at her new friend, David, who was obviously willing. She smiled and nodded.

      "Okay," I said. "But here are the rules while I'm gone." I have an alpha male personality when it comes to swinging - provider, protector, top dog. "Just talk. No hands - no kissing - while I'm gone." Then I looked at David. "Break a rule, I break an arm." I think he knew I meant it.

      His nervous, stuttering, "Sure," gave me the assurance I needed to head downstairs. I didn't remember the walk to the locker room being so long, but the anticipation seemed to stretch the halls and stairways. But soon, I was back with an overly optimistic fist full of condoms and a hard-on that made it hard to walk. David and Marilyn were talking innocently, leaning against the wall - but seeing me was all it took for talk to end. Mari took David's hand and led him to a private room; I pushed the door closed as we entered, waving at the five guys who looked disappointed that we weren't going to put on a show.

      David wasted little time pulling Mari's breasts free and sucking on her long nipples. His style was rough, but Mari seemed to love the feel of this stranger's tongue and gently nipping teeth. I knelt behind her, pushing her skirt around her hips, and flicked her ass with my tongue. I slipped two fingers in her dripping pussy and felt her body jerk at the anticipated intrusion. Her hips rocked against my fingers and tongue as David pulled off Mari's top and bra, spilling her breasts into his hands and waiting mouth. Mari rubbed David's cock through his slacks, eager to find out just what she'd gotten herself into. Our collective passions blurred the room as hands un-hooked, unzipped, un-buckled, and soon the only clothes left were Mari's black garter and stockings. David had taken to his knees, taking his rough style of play to Mari's tender box as Mari resumed the head we'd started in the common area - her passion making her suck even harder, with more abandon. I thrust into her mouth gently, knowing that in her current state, she couldn't focus enough to keep me from going too deep. I watched her perfect tits roll as her body rocked on David's aggressive tongue. I switched places with David, letting him enjoy Mari's mouth for the first time. Mari gave a perfect, eager head, and I knew David was in for a treat - but I wanted my time with my wife's perfect pussy. Her long lips and deep folds are the perfect play place for big boys, and my tongue traced her outer lips through the gentle maze that leads to her dripping entrance and tingling clit. I slipped my fingers inside of Mari, curling them gently to find that magical-mythical spot that always seems to make a good orgasm a screaming one, and my tongue flicked gently at her oh-so-ready clit. I looked up to see David fucking Mari's mouth - and Mari thrusting back hungrily. I heard her cock-filtered moans as I brought her to the brink of orgasm. I quickened my tongue and my inner stroking, and Mari's mouth popped off of David's shaft. Her fist pumped him purposefully, but her eyes and attention were now focused on my face, pressed against her pussy. Her hips bucked with the beginnings of her orgasm, and her moans turned to screams as she came against my tongue. Mari fucked my fingers powerfully, her pussy sucking and pulling them deeper inside, and she threw her head back into the pillow and let out a long "YES!" as a wave overcame her.

      David knelt beside her, a stunned look on his face. "That was hot." Mari laughed at his grasp of the obvious as she pulled her knees together and her legs up - but we weren't going to let her off that easily. "Be gentle," I said as David went back down, and I brought my throbbing cock to Mari's mouth. I've always loved the way that Mari says thanks for a job well done - and tonight was no exception. David's tongue brought Mari over the edge two more quick times as she sucked my cock. Her body shivered weakly as the first orgasm had taken so much out of her. She moaned around my width but never let me go until her desperation got the best of her.

      "Fuck me." She said, her voice breathy, "Fuck me, please." I took her first, as David's cock hung in Mari's face, rubbing against her cheek as she thrust her body back against me. I pushed her legs to her chest as I buried my cock deeply into her. Her heat was tremendous, her body on fire as it lived out a fantasy it was so reluctant to even admit. David watched as I took my wife hard, thrusting deeply and angling my body to hit her just right. Mari gritted her teeth as she let out a strained moan, her fourth orgasm coming as a surprise - short but powerful. I pulled out quickly, knowing that there was one other thing that Mari wanted to try before we'd be able to call this a night. I lay against the wall as Mari got to her knees. She sucked hard as David pushed into her for the first time. It was her first 'extra' cock, and she seemed to shake from head to toe. "Is he in?" I asked, wanting her to process the reality of this moment. "Mmmm-Hmmm," she groaned as he pounded her. David fucked my beautiful wife hard from behind, thrusting deeply and quickly, racing towards an orgasm that had such a gorgeous build-up. And he reached that place far too quickly.

      "Where do you want him to cum?" I asked, stroking Mari's hair. "I want to see it," she said, her tongue flicking the head of my cock. "I want him to cum all over me." David responded to her wishes, pulling out and removing his spent condom. Mari rolled over on her back, pushing her breasts together and urging him to cover them. He had no problem doing so. David's excitement was apparent as jet after jet of his hot load landed on Mari's perfect tits.

      "Oh, god, yes," she cooed as he came. David let out one last grunt as his body jerked, and one last long stream of cum dripped onto my wife. I kissed Mari - realizing that I had seen her emerge. My perfect butterfly, covered with another man's seed. David collapsed at the end of the bed as Mari and I wrapped our hearts tightly around each other. We basked in the afterglow of an incredible fantasy, unaware that, for us, the night was young. We dressed, David and Mari kissed one last time, and then we left the room for the next adventuresome group.

      We fully expected to leave soon thereafter. Instead, almost unbelievingly, the stars aligned, and we had another encounter.

      Mari went to the bar, still sexily disheveled, and started talking to a single woman that we had met earlier, helping her fend off a torrent of attention, gladly taking on some for herself. Knowing she was having fun, I left her alone while I went to the restroom.

      I normally don't strike up conversations at the urinal, but all rules have exceptions.

      "I'm not gay," I said to the guy spilling beer one stall over, "but that is a really nice shirt."

      I wouldn't have said it if I hadn't meant it. Dark blue flames on white silk. Sharp as a switchblade.

      "Thanks," He said. "My wife bought it. I don't remember where."

      "Well - it's a great-looking shirt."

      The conversation eroded as our bathroom purposes came to an end, and we awkwardly took turns with the soap dispenser. He left before my paws were dry, and as I wiped the last of the evidence on my jeans, I walked out to put what I thought would be the final hit on my wife.I was quite wrong.

      Mr Nice Shirt was in the hallway with a gorgeous blond - tall and thin, with stunning blue eyes and long legs on high heels.

      "Hey, hon." he said, "where did you get this shirt? This guy likes it."

      She told me - but hell if I remember. I was captivated by her. Where she bought the shirt went in one ear and out the other, but her, I was drinking in till I reached the bottom of the glass. It was a nice shirt - but she was significantly nicer. I watched her lips as she talked and wondered what they tasted like; I watched her chest when she paused - also wondering what it tasted like. Soon the shirt was forgotten.

      But - I found out later - they thought I was a single, which wasn't their thing - and they excused themselves. I made my dejected way back to Mari - still with her single friend - still at the center of a crowd. I walked to the center and kissed her hard, because I could, and whispered in her ear, "Are you ready to go?" She nodded and told me she needed to check her hair before she did. I wasn't the only one who watched her walk to the restroom - perfect hips massaging the inside of her brown suede skirt. I sat at the bar, watching what passed for porn on the satellite feed, and waited...And waited...And realized I wasn't enjoying the porn enough to not be worried about my wife...I wandered through the club, weaving my way between connections being made and broken - singles getting lucky or rejected - women being fondled or ignored... The witching hour had arrived, and folks were grouping off with the hopes that productive conversations weren't about to produce wilted results. And in the bathroom door, Mari had become the target of Mr Cool-Shirt and his incredible wife. They stood in a tight but respectful group, chittering like old friends... I watch Mari laugh at some witty thing and then look up to see me walking her way.

      "That's my husband," she said, maybe a bit too proudly, and the blond woman whom I'd already memorized turned and smiled - wickedly surprised if that is a workable combination. A three-way conversation in the door of the women's room became a spirited four-way as we realized that - not only was I, not a single guy, we all had much more than that in common; two pairs of soulmates on different planes of experience. Best friends who do everything together - who were about to drift upstairs...

      They had been to many clubs and had much background in the lifestyle, and as we made our way upstairs, they shared themselves in a way that makes the lifestyle so much more than sex. We drifted from room to room, listening to them talk about their "hobby" and how they survived within it. For a moment, the idea of "playing" with our new friends disappeared as these gorgeous people became so incredibly fascinating. It seemed like every line of conversation revealed more in common, more useful advice, more to like...And then she closed the door...

      "I like you guys," Kim - this gorgeous blond said, her voice going from friendly to lusty. "Let's play."

      Mari and I snapped back to reality quickly. We were in a swing club, and we were not going home anytime soon... I didn't need to look at Mari to know that she was okay with this. I'd watched her as she watched Joe's lips move when he talked. I had seen her smile when he touched her shoulder. And I had absolutely nothing to think about as Kim lay on the bed, smiling and lifting her legs to show a shaved and pantiless play area.

      "What do you say?" She asked, staring at me hypnotically.

      Nothing... There was nothing I could say. I was hers - but better yet, she was about to be mine. Joe sat on a chair in the corner of the room - thinking, I suppose, that he might watch for a while. But Mari was having none of that, straddling his lap and wrapping her tongue around his. Kim lay on her back, and I ran my hands down her legs, lifting her feet and helping her with the boots that she wasn't going to be needing for a while. Her long thin legs were, on their own, plenty to enjoy - but when the boots were shed, my hands wandered higher as I slid onto the bed with her, kissing her gently at first - enjoying her soft but expert tongue. Her hands made short work of my belt as mine found her small, tight breasts. She seemed eager to catch up with Mari, who had quickly moved to a kneel in front of Joe and was blowing him madly - her head bobbing furiously.

      I didn't object and let her push me over to my back. My eyes caught Joe's, and he smiled widely, dazed but certainly feeling every stroke of Mari's expert tongue. Mari worked his shaft with one tight fist and had pushed the blue flamed shirt up to his strong chest. She was moaning around him - and he encouraged her. The sounds were nearly as hot as the visual of my beautiful wife gobbling our new friend with such abandon. I could have lost myself watching the two of them, just experiencing the pleasure my wife was giving another man, but I was soon pulled expertly out of the moment as bright blue eyes looked up at me past short blond hair, and a wet tongue flicked between a wicked grin and eagerly tasted the tip of my cock...I looked down at Kim as she rolled her tongue around the head of my cock, seeming to savor the taste. Her eyes locked on mine, and her smile never failed......until she took me into her mouth, slowly swallowing half of me and then pulling me out just as deliberately. I groaned, body twitching and cock responding to her attentions.

      "You like that?" she asked, a trail of my excitement still leading to her lips.I just swallowed and grinned - and she correctly took that as a "yes". Her eyes finally left mine as she took me again, this time with abandon. Her tongue danced around my cock as her lips tightly massaged my shaft. Her hands jerked me and my hips rocked slightly, finding her manic rhythm. I closed my eyes and enjoyed her expertise, my fingers twisting in her short hair. I could feel her taking me deeper until it seemed the head of my cock was so deep in her that I could almost feel it with the hand that was on the back of her head. Her warmth was complimented by a perfect wetness. She stroked me with one hand as her other hand massaged my balls - coaxing my cum from them - eager for a taste of her good work. I heard a squeal and looked up just in time to see a naked Mari tossed onto the bed beside us. Joe was naked as well - his tall, thin frame sporting a desperate erection. He dropped to the bed between Mari's legs and began to kiss her breasts, one after another, commenting loudly on her large, long nipples. Kim was looking over, obviously admiring them herself. She looked up at me, her lips still around my excitement, her face flushed. I smiled at her and nodded - unable to ask her if she wanted what Mari was about to be getting... Somehow she read me and nodded back - letting me go with a gentle pop - and climbed up on the bed, shedding what little clothing she still had on. I pulled off my shirt and settled between her legs.

      The wives were now on the bed, lying side by side, with two enthusiastic husbands now heading south hungrily. Kim's pussy was perfectly shaved with small lips and a perfect clit. I licked gently at first, tasting her fully... This was the first pussy I'd tasted since my marriage, and I was going to enjoy it fully. I slipped my hands beneath her ass to lift her slightly, angling her just right... And sunk my tongue deeply into her, tasting her as she tightened around the intrusion. She whimpered slightly and bucked - and I lost myself... My fingers swam in and out of her as my tongue found every unique spot that seemed to make her jerk with electricity. Her eyes were clamped shut as I ate her, and her hands gripped my head harder and more desperately, soon governing my attentions to just her clit as she climbed higher... Closer to the edge of orgasm. I heard Mari scream as she came, thrashing her hips forcefully against Joe's face, forcing him to hang on... Kim heard her, too, and seemed to catch Mari's orgasm just as Mari was coming down... One loud "OHH!" was all she moaned as her body spasmed beneath my feasting tongue. She jerked hard, holding my face tightly to her and riding her orgasm out against my tongue. I held her thighs as she began to land. She slid her hands to my cheeks and pulled herself to me. "My god," was all she said before she kissed me and pulled me back to the bed.

      Joe was on top of Mari, thrusting his fingers into her roughly, and Kim held me as we watched Mari cum again. Mari's vocal aerobics shook the walls again as she came a second time, right on top of her first one. She seemed to cum for minutes before she finally stopped thrusting her hips against Joe's aggressive hand.

      "Wow," Kim said, looking at me. "Is she always this loud?"

      "I'd like to think so," I replied, smiling.

      "I have no doubt, then."

      Kim grinned as she kissed me, pushing me to my knees. She crawled in front of me and took me in her mouth again, egging me on to thrust. I did so - watching as Mari laid Joe on the bed and then knelt between his legs again. I grabbed Kim's perfect ass with both hands and pushed forward gently, barely containing my arousal as Mari began to stroke Joe's thick cock.I heard Kim sucking me wetly, accepting my thrusts as Joe moaned with approval as Mari gave him a masterful hand job, puckering her lips around the head of his cock as she stroked him. My head swam for ten minutes, watching my wife and feeling Joe's. I was near the edge when Joe screamed out his arrival. Kim flipped around quickly, eager to watch her husband's pleasure, and slid a hand down to cup his balls just as he erupted. His first shot a foot into the air. Mari moaned, "YESSS!" as he came - excited at the sight of his orgasm. His hips thrust slightly as the rest of his orgasm ran down his cock and over Mari's still-pumping fist.

      He lay there - satisfied - and Kim turned, grinning, back to me. The only difference is that this time - so did Mari. I had four lustful eyes looking at me hungrily, and I knew that one of my favorite fantasies was going to come true. I was pushed back into the pillow and watched as a blond and brunette devoured my cock - neither of them losing steam. One would suck my balls while the other pistoned on my hot shaft - then they'd switch - dancing their tongues up either side of me as they went... "This is a vision you'll never forget," Joe chattered - coming back to his senses. I quietly agreed with him, watching as they pleasured me - unable to drink it in enough. Just the sight was enough to make me cum... The sensation of two talented tongues, two eager mouths, brought me closer to the edge than I ever thought possible... Joe seemed to agree, now standing at the side of the bed stroking a resurrected erection. But - I was the first to see them kiss...And it was almost too much... Kim and Mari's tongues soon discovered each other and left my cock to pursue each other. I was remarkably okay with that. Kim and Mari's passionate lip lock was more than Joe could handle.

      "Oh my god," he said to Mari. "I had no idea you were into that."

      "I wasn't," Mari said truthfully - and then quickly returned to what she swears was one of the best kissers she'd ever known. I joined Joe in the perverse ritual, not caring if they ever touched me again - as long as they didn't stop touching each other. Their hands fondled each other, their tongues twisted together... And the room seemed to heat up by twenty degrees.

      I'd never thought I'd see my wife so wild for another woman, but there they were, wrapped together, making out like high school kids. The scene proved to be too much, and Joe yelled out Mari's name. Mari moved over beneath him, her tongue out and eager, just as Joe came again. If it is possible, his second orgasm seemed larger than his first, streaming into Mari's open mouth in jet after jet. And that was enough for me... I knelt over Kim and let go of her waiting tongue. She excitedly swallowed what she caught - what she didn't streamed down her cheeks as I jerked out the last of my orgasm and collapsed beside her...I remember Joe leaving and coming back with a glass of pop for all of us to share, but for the life of me, I don't remember much else. We all lay together for a while - talking again like old friends and laughing. The biggest difference this time was being able to watch breasts jiggle with every well-told joke or story.

      We exchanged e-mails, hugs, and kisses... But I wasn't offered the shirt...When we finally left - the club owner was cleaning up, barely beating the sun, which would be showing itself soon. One of the staff smiled at us and said somewhat meekly, "You guys sounded great." I suppose she's right - a perfect encounter inspires some wonderful loudness. The night was a surprise from the start - we'd done more than we'd ever expected and made friends on top of it. And it was one of those friendships that inspired me to surprise Mari with one last step in her now complete emergence.
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