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On premise clubs-are the patrons less attractive?

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A lot of good points have been made here. Some may consider them valid and some not. I have always believed that the biggest erogenous zone is the brain. Stimulate my mind, and I’m yours…the rest of me is easy!

 

How many times have you sat down at a club and started talking to a couple/person that you (initially) had no physical attraction to, just making conversation, passing the time. But their personality was such that the more you spoke with them, the more you wanted to party with them. It’s happened to me more than a few times.

 

On the other hand, Patti and I were at an on premises club not too long ago. Some friends of ours pointed out a “pretty couple” that had been sitting in the corner looking board. He told his wife that they should go over and talk to them, to which she responded, “Do you really think that we have a chance?” WOW. I just looked at my friends and walked over to them and sat down and started talking. I’m not Ken. I’m not a body builder. I used to play football in high school 20 years ago. OK 25 years ago. They were nice people. They weren’t the “pretty people” that my friends had assumed they were, they were just new at the club and a little nervous. After a time, I invited them to the hot tub with us, and they came….several times!

 

Now, how many of you have been rejected for what ever reason. We all know that no means no. A polite no thank-you is enough for me. I don’t need to know why. Not everyone is interested in me. But a answer like, “Not with you” is hurtful and makes you want to run away. The nuances of everyday human interaction are tough enough let alone in a swinging environment. You don’t need to add humiliation to rejection, and you don’t need to feel humiliated when you get rejected. There are plenty of other wonderfully sexy people out there who DO want to party with you. Don’t let the fear of rejection keep you out of the clubs.

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Since they live in Austin, I would recommend Ci and Di check out "The Jungle". It's an on-premise...I hesitate to use the word "club". It is a private residence, where they hold swing parties. There is a "screening" process, although aside from the obvious things like keeping out head cases and genuinely skanky people, they do not have restrictions on age or physical appearance. That is, he does allow (gasp!) chubby people to attend his parties.

 

What you get is a full range of types, leaning towards more of the "pretty people" crowd, or at least the typical "HWP" couple. If nothing else, I would recommend it for just seeing the place; it really is quite unique, and it's in your neighborhood.

 

We live in Houston, and know which "on-premise" club they are referring to. We have not been in a while, but they are also an establishment that gets the full gamut of types, from the Barbie and Ken clones to your basic middle-aged BBW couples like us. I don't think it is quite as bad as this article made it out to be.

 

Make no mistake, boys and girls; if someone is a real "skank", a la looks like a crack whore, speed freak, poor grooming and hygiene, etc, he/she will not last long in the lifestyle. Only the most obtuse would think otherwise.

 

Having said that, the swinger community is indeed "stratified" into various subgroups, based primarily on age, size, physical appearance (body size and physical appearance are not necessarily the same thing), specific interests (like BDSM, for example), social class and to some extent, race.

 

The various clubs here in Houston and elsewhere reflect this, especially the private ones. For instance, there are several private party groups in town that are for "BBW couples". Why is this? So couples of this type can play and not have to worry about being disrespected because someone thinks they are "skanky" due to being chubby. There are others that only allow people 40 and over, and for similar reasons.

 

Of course, I'm not saying anything here that is not already common knowledge, and I'm sure it's all pretty much the same way no matter where you go in the country. The various clubs around town here in Houston, public and private, off-premise and on, all cater to this or that subset of the lifestyle. Some still allow people who fall outside their "preferred" range of physical characteristics admittance, but make no mistake; you will know the instant you walk through the door whether or not you fit their "ideal" guest criteria. Other clubs are not so "choosy", and in those you will find all kinds, from twentysomething "pretty people" to fiftysomething BBW couples, and everything in between.

 

(Needless to say, we prefer the latter sort of club. It's not that we are any more likely to score with some B&K clone couple than we would at, say, Wish's, assuming we were even interested in such, but the environment is a lot more relaxed and comfortable. I am also a lot less likely to end up busting a chair over some asshole's head for disrespecting Bunny. This nearly happened at the very first swinger party I attended, after seeing some prick shove the woman I was with aside like she was a piece of furniture (this was long before I met Bunny, but she too was on the chubby side). Fortunately for "Dash Riprock", she saw me coming and literally dragged me outside until I cooled off, and so kept me from doing my best to kill that sonofabitch. Damn, I was pissed...)

 

And whatever sort of club you might prefer is actually pretty easy to find. Most have web sites, and between those and the usual word-of-mouth, you would have no problem at all find the sort of club you'd like. That's how Bunny and I discovered Coach's, and it's also why we would never go to Encounters, because one caters to everyone, the other does not.

 

And the on-premise clubs, at least around here, are not that much different.

 

The best way to find what you prefer in this area is to do some research, ask around, and yes, bite the bullet, pony up the cash (on-premise clubs especially are never cheap to get into) and see for yourself (looking on the Net and word-of-mouth will only take you so far, as neither are 100% accurate).

 

You may strike out a time or two (God knows we have...:), but eventually you will find the club or group that has a preponderance of the sort of couple that appeals to you.

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Here in South Florida, our on premise clubs have the whole gamut of people. They seriously range from South Beach model types to everyday good looking people to well, just about everyone. I guess with an attendance of over 300 cpls many nights, that makes for more variety. If you are interested in a specific type of person, you are likely to find at least a few couples at one of our local clubs, especially on Sat evenings as the crowd is the largest then. Also, the crowd dynamic changes as the evening goes on. So, what may seem like a target weak evening at say 11 pm may turn completely around by 2am. The only problem is the SoFla crowd tends to party really late. We have a couple of times had the lights turned on at the most inoppurtune times at 6am while in the middle of play. Arrrgh, coitus interruptus.

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De and Ci said:

Hmm, That's a damn good point! At a super exclusive event, I would imagine there would be a substantial amount of subtle competition in the "looks" dept.

 

To the point that many of the people would be too intimidated to get "nekkid"

 

Again, we aren't super picky or anything, but even some nights at the off premise clubs we attend, there were no couples that we would have been interested in playing with.

 

Ok I've read far enough into this thread now that I figure even though it is my first post I have to say something.

 

I've been swinging all my life and I've never been to a club. Why? Because I have always been with BBWs and I'm BHM. It is people with attitudes like this that have always scared me and my partners away from on-premises clubs.

 

I have to be honest, I'm sort of a big biker type, so if we walked up to a club and the guy at the door turned my wife (or me for that matter) away because we were, "too fat", I'd be seeing red. Say some shit like that to my wife and see how fast it lands you in the emergency room, there, door man. There I said it, forgive me but I just feel the need to stand up for the big ladies, and the big gentlemen.

 

All our lives its been people like you who have made us feel like we are somehow "less than", or "not good enough" or "ugly" or whatever because of our size.

 

I went to a doctor recently for a physical and he found some problems. Those problem have been caused by excessive dieting. Yeah because I have been trying to lose weight for 30 years, and I keep going up and down now my metabolism is all screwed up I may have damaged my kidneys because of something called ketosis and it just keeps getting harder and harder to try and lose it and keep it off. My parents started this when I was 8 by sending me to "fat camp" in the summer, I went for like 3 years before my father got disgusted with me because I couldn't keep it off in the winter with the food they kept feeding me. They fed me damn it, so whose friggin' fault was it?

 

The doctors say that if I had just gone through life with what nature had planned for my body I wouldn't have these problems now.

 

So yeah I got a bone to pick with people who term themselves as "hot, attractive and fit" and yeah if your "Barbie and Ken" we just plain don't like your looks either so the feelings mutual.

 

It really burns my ass when I go on a swinger personals site like AFF and see people with ads that have stuff in them like, "blubber butts need not apply".

 

Get real pal this lifestyle is about way more than height and weight proportions. Or whether you nose is perfect or whether you have scars on you body.

 

If you saw a vet that had come just come home from the war in a club sitting with his special someone and he had a few scars from battle that were not too attractive or missing a limb are you gonna reject this guy on his looks?

 

Well this weekend we're going to a club for the first time and I just hope we don't run into any of this crap.

 

Ok I've ranted enough and I'm sure you'll all think this is a stellar premier post (sarcasm) but as you see, since I'm planning on sticking around, I'm heavily opinionated and not afraid to express it.

 

Peace.

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Four or five years ago, before I ever went to a club, I probably had similar questions as the OP but in reverse. Am I too fat to go to a club? Is my dick too small? Will all the guys wanna jump my lady? (thankfully this last one turned out to be true). :)

 

I'm certainly glad that you have finally decided to make it out to a club. Enjoy yourself, have fun and then come back and tell us how it went.

 

I've found that the clubs have something for everyone. It's what YOU make of it that counts.

 

All the best.

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De and Ci said:

Other than an on-premise club we visited in Mexico City that screened customers for attractiveness. We haven't been to any on-premise clubs or party houses in our area.

 

I would like to know if there are many on-premise clubs that screen for appearance, and if they do not, are all of the members unattractive and overweight.

 

This gives me an odd feeling.

 

At least here (Buenos Aires) it is illegal for a public place to discriminate people based on appearance, race, religion or so. On-premise clubs are at the verge of illegality for many reasons unrelated with the sex stuff, as to dare to screen people based on the way they look.

 

The fact is, there are clubs where you find mostly people of certain range of age, or sharing tastes like musical style, but you have people of many degrees of "beautiness" all mixed together.

 

Even when you can see in the same club people gathering in groups, and it is usual to see a group of "fashion model" like people, you also see a lot of "fashion model" like people who step away from them because they doesn't share they choices based on how you look, nor want to be confused with them. Those groups ends up isolated and sooner or later start losing people just because they get bored.

 

As for me, I don't know if I fit the "attractiveness" criteria of the clubs you mentioned, but I wouldn't attend such a club. We've meet people in all the shapes and sizes, and we found out our criteria to choose partners has very few to do with the way they look, and mostly to do with their attitude, humor sense, intelligence, and sensuality (and this has nothing to do with the way you look). We've meet many Ken & Barbie couples who also share our criteria.

 

I'd dare to say a club owner screening people on "attractiveness" isn't a swinger, or at least and for sure, isn't my kind of swinger: once you fulfill your eventual wish for the "model type" girl or man, it is no longer such a valuable feature. And people not so good looking usually develop their own ways to compensate this with other features or skills.

 

Besides the moral disagreement, I feel it's a big loss for a club to deprive the attendants from the chance of meeting those not so good looking people.

 

And I don't believe the choice for not screening people based on appearance to be a commercial one (and even if it were, it'd be one of the very few cases where your ethics goes hand by hand with your wallet), but an understanding of what swinging is about.

 

All of this reminds me of Chicup's advice #2 from his Basic newbie swinging mistakes post: "Expecting a fantasy couple". I'd say a club owner screening people on appearance is attempting to exploit this idealistic desire from many of the newbies and some not so newbies.

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Pardon us for not reading all four pages, we are responding to the initial post. Skanky is in the eye of the beholder. Clubs are good because people of all ages, races and body types can get together, if it's an off night for what your looking for have fun with your So, if your in this for the right reasons it should not be a problem.

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...it is the "Ken and Barbies" that don't have as much fun. We have a few fit playmates but we have found the "real" people are much more fun.

 

So, fit people aren't "real", and they're much less fun? Hmmm.

 

So yeah I got a bone to pick with people who term themselve as "hot, attractive and fit" and yeah if your "Barbie and Ken" we just plain don't like your looks either so the feelings mutual.

 

You sound as if when you see a couple who appear to be the kind who are into fitness, you make a decision about them. Do you immediately think of these people as "Barbie and Ken" (plastic) when you see them, and decide right away that you don't like them?

 

It seems to me that people in both camps are apt to make odd and absurd judgments about people they don't even know, and may be only getting a first look at. Just as overweight doesn't equal "skanky" (a weird comment made earlier in this thread), being in shape, HWP or into fitness and health doesn't make a person not "real", much less fun to be around, or "Barbie and Ken". Nice, fun and friendly people come in a variety of sizes. :rolleyes:

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Tybee Swing said:
So, fit people aren't "real", and they're much less fun?

 

That's the word on the street, T...

 

:rolleyes:

 

The funny thing is, since we decided to start swinging, I've lost 40 lbs, started running half marathons, doing some fairly extreme camping and generally living a much more fit life. Sure, it makes me feel better about myself, but it is also better for me...

 

Sadly, this turns some people off...

 

You do what you can to be better looking, and people consider you less attractive...

 

But - what are you gonna do?

 

:brkwall:

 

Me? I am going to keep working out, changing things, setting goals, setting an example for my kids and basically being the best me I can be. If people don't like me because I've cured my "dunlap" disease, that is their loss...

 

Personally, I think people say this because it is easier than buying running shoes* ;)

 

 

*I am using "running shoes" to refer to the many things people can do to get themselves in better shape. I am not referring to just running which not everyone can do.

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I used to be real attractive. Then there was that marriage, kids, combat tour, Katrina, diabetes, hearts stents and the list goes on.

 

Somewhere in there we started swinging. You know what? It don't matter.

 

Live, Love and Laugh.

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BiloxiCouple said:
Somewhere in there we started swinging. You know what? It don't matter.

 

Live, Love and Laugh.

 

Exactly...

 

Attitude is everything...

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I don't bother the beautiful people and they don't bother me. The experience that JoAnn and I have had at clubs is that people, whether shaped like hourglasses, Greek gods, pears or pumpkins, are generally friendly. Sometimes we surprise ourselves. One or the other of us will pass a really gorgeous person and get a genuinely warm response. The key, I suspect, is to display a smile.

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The experience that JoAnn and I have had at clubs is that people, whether shaped like hourglasses, Greek gods, pears or pumpkins, are generally friendly.

 

This has been our experience, too. In various states and different kinds of clubs, everyone seems nice to everyone. We've never seen anyone being rude to anybody in a club or party regarding size/shape/status/beauty.

 

Which is why I don't understand:

 

I don't bother the beautiful people and they don't bother me.

 

On occasion, we've seen small groups/cliques who seemed mainly closed off to "outsiders", but it felt more like they were there with their friends exclusively and didn't want to mix it up with strangers/new people. Or they were the much younger set who wanted to stay separate socially from the others. That's their prerogative - it's all good. It didn't bother us at all.

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When we went last night. We found a mix of people of all shapes, sizes, colors, races, and whatever. The place was packed with folks of all kinds. It was great fun we met a big broup of people who we will play with again., on and off premises. We met big people and thin people and big people into thin people and thin people into big people. WE had a ton of fun(no pun intended). I think we are going to become regulars there.

 

Absolutely noone made us feel anything negative about our weight.

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I'm going to go out on a limb here.

 

Some of the previous comments in this thread basically allude to the equation:

 

overweight/fat = skanky

 

While I may not be as skinny as I was just a few years ago, and I do consider myself overweight...I sure do not drop into the skanky category b/c of that. Where I'm from, skanky comes in all shapes and sizes. :lol:

 

When we go out, I try to make sure I look nice. Hair and makeup, cute outfit, etc. We've been to the clubs a couple of times...and among other things, I was suprised at how many looked like they had just rolled out of bed from a nap.

 

Or my personal favorite...the wife or gf is dressed like a streetwalker...but the male half of the couple is the one looking like something the cat dragged in (baggy, scroungy looking tshirts and jeans). Seeing that just gives me a creeped out feeling...like the guy either isn't (or doesn't think) he's cute enough to add to the attractiveness of the couple, so he's just going to pimp out the wife and see if that works. JMO tho.

 

This from clubs who make sure to note on their websites 'dress to impress' and things of that nature.

 

Maria :kissface:

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      Sue then took my hand and told me to come with her. She walked me into the den in front of the couch and undid my pants, and pushed them down to my knees. She then told me to sit down and got on her knees in front of me. She reached into my underwear and started to stroke my dick. I could feel my dick responding to her soft touch when she said to just close my eyes and relax and enjoy. With that, she pulled my underwear down to my knees and started to lick my hard shaft and balls. When her tongue left my balls and started up my shaft, her left hand would start holding and roll my balls around oh so softly. As her tongue got to the head of my dick, her right hand would start to stroke my shaft. Her mouth opened, and she took the head of my dick in her mouth and swirled her tongue around it. I had almost forgotten how hot her mouth felt when she would suck my dick or how good she was at it. She knew just what she was doing and how to please a man with her tongue, mouth and hands.
       
      I opened my eyes to watch her head bob up and down and see my dick disappearing and reappearing from her mouth. I saw Don sitting at the bar, just watching his wife suck another man's dick. This was not the first time Don has seen his wife suck my dick, but in the past, he was with Dee or any of the other ladies in our little group. If not, he was most likely helping me with Sue, either licking her pussy or fucking her while she sucked my dick. But to watch him sitting there fully dressed while she was sucking me was a little strange and comforting at the same time. I realized just how good of friends they both were.
       
      I started to feel my climax grow deep down. I guess it had been a while, and I felt a rush of heat as I started to shoot my cum in Sue’s mouth. She sucked and stroked my shaft to get all she could out. I also forgot just how horny Sue got when she had a fresh load of cum shot in her mouth. She was humping my leg like a dog, and I could feel the heat of her pussy through both her pants and mine. As I tried to catch my breath, she looked up and asked if I was relaxed now. I told her that I was, and she said good, now go home and have a good night's sleep and they would see me at 6:30 Friday.
       
      Don started to protest that I could not come over and get his wife all hot and bothered and just leave him there alone to take care of her. Sue kissed me on the cheek and said yes, he can because he will need all his strength for when she and Nancy get a hold of me the next night.
       
      I stood up and redid my pants and told Don good luck, and as I was leaving, I heard Sue tell him to get his clothes off right now. She needed a good hard fuck.
       
      Friday came, and I arrived at Sue and Don’s house at 6:30 as planned. Nancy was not there yet, but Sue told me that we were not expected at the party until 8. Sue, Don, and I were sitting at their bar talking, and I asked where was this party we were going to and they said it was at a couple's house (Dan and Barbara) who they had met about 8 months ago. I did not know them, and I asked if they knew that I was coming, and without knowing me, were they ok with that. Sue told me that they knew and were fine with it, also that Robert and Cathy, and David and Joann would also be there, and that they all had vouched for me. Sue asked if I was still nervous, and I said yes I was.
       
      Meeting a lady for the first time, as a single, would make any man nervous, much less one you were going to a swinging house party with her as your date. Who would not be nervous? But knowing 3 couples that were going to be there helped somewhat. (Robert and Cathy were the first couple that Dee and I ever played with when we got into swinging, and David and Joann were part of the group that we got together with for about 3 years).
       
      Nancy arrived about 15 minutes later, looking stunning. She wore a low-cut gray blouse and a black skirt that stopped about halfway to her knees. Dark stockings and black high heels. She stood 5’7", about 135 lbs., and had legs to die for. Blonde hair, blue eyes, great smile, and very well-gifted up top. Her blouse was cut just right so that the mounds of her tits were showing down to the top of her nipples. She had an incredible tan line that went from a dark bronze color to almost show white ½" above her nipples. She was in her early 40’s, and I started to feel very nervous again. The four of us sat and talked until it was time to leave for the party, Sue ran and got her party bag, and we all loaded up in their SUV for the drive over. Nancy and I were going to sit in the back seat for the drive over, and as she was getting in, I saw she had on black garters that were holding up her stockings; with her low-cut blouse, I already knew she was bra-less, panty-less, well only time would tell.
       
      We arrived at the party, and I was introduced to Dan and Barbara. They are a nice-looking couple, early 40’s early 50’s, like most of the couples there. I saw that Robert and Cathy were already there, along with David and Joann. With a total of 10 couples there at the time, that made it 3 that I knew and 6 plus Nancy that I did not know. (I kept hearing Dee’s words; Mingle and meet, Mingle and meet over and over in my head).
       
      The party was going along like most house parties did, with people greeting one another, some snacks, some drinks, music, and dancing. Small groups standing around talking, a lot of flirting going on. As time went by, there were more people in different stages of undressed. A couple would be seen walking down the hall towards one of the bedrooms, more couples would be going out to enjoy the hot tub on the patio. Everyone was having a good time excluding myself. I had almost forgotten how at ease one could be and how much fun it was to be around people that thought of recreational sex the same as Dee and I did.
       
      (You see someone and you say, "I would like to fuck that person" They look at you and say, " I would like to fuck that person", and the two of you get together and fuck. Both enjoy it, and that is that. Your spouse knows about it and, most of the time, is there to enjoy it with you if not joining in. No jealousies ,no hard feelings, no fights, and most of all, no means no. But in the back of my mind, I kept thinking that I am now a single man in a couple’s lifestyle.)
       
      I was talking to a couple when I looked towards the area that had been set aside for dancing, where I saw Nancy, Joann, and Barbara all dancing together. All three had shed their blouses and were giving one hell of a sexy dance performance. I knew from what I could see from her low-cut blouse that Nancy had a nice set of tits, but to see her dancing topless they were great. They were round and firm with nipples that stood out ¾". At 43 years of age, they were more than likely bought, but real or Memorex, I did not care. I just wanted to suck on them. Her stomach was flat and firm and showed that she took care of herself at the gym. She still had her skirt on, but those long legs and that flat-toned stomach just started me to think how beautiful the meeting place must look.
       
      When the song ended, Nancy walked over to me and put her arms around my neck and kissed me. She looked me in the eyes and said, let's go. I want to have you alone first, and I had no problem with that. We walked down the hall and checked the first two bedrooms and found them occupied. The master bedroom was at the end of the hall, and when we opened the door, we saw Sue and Dan had already gotten there. We started to close the door, and Dan said to come on in. There was more than enough room on the bed; he and Sue only needed half of it.
       
      Nancy put her arms around my neck and kissed me, and whispered that she wanted me naked. At this point, she started to unbutton my shirt. I felt her firm breast pressing against my chest as I ran my hands down her sides. Her skirt had no snaps but was held up by the elastic waistband. It was just a matter of hooking my thumbs under the waistband and stretching it out a little so it would slide down her long legs. Just as I had suspected, she was panty-less. As she undid my pants, I cupped one of her tits in my hand and lowered my mouth to her nipple. My other hand found her wet hot pussy, and I started to finger fuck her with ease. Her hands had pushed my pants down to my knees, and she was stroking my swollen cock with both of her hands. I could hear her breathing getting heavier with each passing moment as I sucked her nipple and fingered her sweet wet hole. She looked me in the eye and pulled my head closer to hers for a long sexual kiss. She started slowly going down to her knees, all the while kissing my chest and stomach. When she reached my now rock-hard shaft, she cupped my balls and the base of my dick in both hands and opened her mouth to take its head into her mouth.
       
      As I stood there getting this magnificent blow-job from this woman, I looked over to the bed. Sue and Dan had moved to the sixty/nine position, and Sue was sucking his cock like she did mine the night before. Dan had his face buried between Sue’s legs, licking her sweet pussy for all its worth. He had his hands spreading it as far as he could to get his tongue in as deep as he could. I remembered just how good Sue’s pussy tasted when she would come, and she always came from a good licking. I wondered just how Nancy’s pussy would taste and did she enjoy it as much as Sue. It would not be much longer before I would find out because of the way she was sucking my dick and watching Sue and Dan, I started to unload in her mouth. My first squirt was deep inside her mouth; the second one she had pulled back but had her mouth open so that it landed in her mouth but mostly on the tongue. As she was swallowing the first two loads, the third hit her closed lips and started to run down her chin. She wiped it off with her finger and then cleaned her finger with her tongue. She stood up and looked me in the eye, and said thank you, we kissed deep and long, and then I told her it was my turn. As she landed down on the bed, I removed my shoes, socks, and pants. She was on her back naked except for her garters and stockings.
       
      I laded down beside her and started to kiss her gently on the neck; slowly, I worked my way down to her nipples, where I sucked and nibbled on each one of them. All the while, I was running my fingers in and out of her hot wet pussy. Her pussy was neatly shaved with just a puff of blond hair left above it. I have always preferred a little hair left instead of an all-shaved pussy, (I wondered if Sue had told her that and she shaved that way just for me). I was working my way down to her honey pot, and she was opening her legs for me. I normally like to work a woman by kissing, nibbling, and sucking on the inside of their legs before I dive into pussy licking. That always seemed to bring their tension up a notch, so when I did go for the gold, they were more than ready for it. With Nancy having her garters and stockings on, that kind of blocked that approach. I soon found out that she did not need that step of foreplay; I also found out that she was anything but a quiet climaxer. I had no sooner started licking, sucking, and nibbling her pussy than she started humping and screaming and cumming. She was begging me to fuck her right then, I needed a little more time to recoup from my climax before I could go on, and she didn’t seem to want to give it to me. I looked from between the legs, and I don’t know if Sue saw the whipped dog look in my eyes or if she was so turned on by Nancy's pleading for a hard fucking or what, but Sue came to my rescue once again.
       
      Sue was on top of Dan, and he was hammering away at her for all he was worth. Sue leaned over and started kissing Nancy and telling her to let it come. I was still down licking her pussy and thinking, "Let this climax run its course, and things will settle down till I recover and can produce again. With Sue's kissing and sucking Nancy's tits and Nancy sucking on Sue’s tits and a double effect. Dan announced that he was coming, and I felt myself coming back into the game. As I slid back up on Nancy to where I could enter her, Sue sat back up on Dan and started riding him hard. She was about to have her own climax and needed to concentrate on that. Just as I put the head of my dick to Nancy’s pussy she said NO, not this way; she pushed me off and got on her hands and knees and said do me from behind; I like it this way the best.
       
      I have no problem with doggie style, so I got behind her and guided the head of my dick into her pussy. I normally like to start slowly, but Nancy told me to do it hard and fast. So I jammed it into the hilt. She instantly started to rock back and forth, and it took a couple of seconds to get into her rhythm, but I got there and was on the in-stroke when she was rocking back and on the outstroke when she was going forward. Like I said before, you know when Nancy comes, everybody knows when Nancy comes, and it did not take long for her to come doggie style.
       
      After she came down from her climax, her body just went limp, and she sank onto the bed face down. Ok, I understand about fast climaxes; been there and done that a time or two myself, but this is the first time I had experienced it happening with the woman I was with. Normally it’s the man that has this happening. I lay down beside her and put my arm around he, and kissed her on her shoulder. I can hear and feel her breathing hard, but that is all the response I get. I look over and Sue is still riding Dan’s dick. I see that glazed-over look in her eyes, one that I have seen many times before, and I know that she won’t last much longer. Just then, I see Dan arch his back and drive into Sue as deep as he can go, his hands are pulling Sue down onto his shaft, and I know that he is releasing his load into her. Sue is wide-eyed and tells him Yes, give it to me, and I know from being there that she has also reached her climax. I lay there and watched her rock back and forth as Dan kept his back arched to give her as much dick as he could. I know the feeling of her pussy muscles on a dick, and I know what he is feeling at this moment. They are constricting and relaxing, constricting and relaxing as she rocks back and forth. Milking every bit of his juice out that they can. I watch as they slow down, and then Sue collapses onto Dan’s chest; she starts that silly giggle that lets you know that you did a good job.
       
      Sue rolled onto her back next to Nancy and looked at me, and asked if I was enjoying myself, and I told him yes. Dan said he needed a drink and asked if any of us wanted one. Sue wanted a margarita, Nancy wanted a glass of ice water, and I said I could use a beer. As Dan was off to get the drinks, the three of us sat up in the bed, the women sat cross-legged, and I just slid up between them and used the headboard as a backrest. I could smell the must of just fucked pussy in the air. There were two women sitting crossed-legged with their pussies open for all to see, and I still had a hard-on. Sue spoke first and said to Nancy, " Did I not tell you he was a good fuck or not" At that point, I could have crawled under the bed, except that Sue was now rubbing my hard dick. Nancy agreed and said that she can’t wait to go again. Sue said that the night was young, but Nancy would just have to wait her turn now because she was next. Thank god Dan showed up with the drinks.
       
      The four of us sat there talking and sipping our drinks. We could hear the party going on in the other part of the house with the music and the occasional orgasm from one of the partygoers or another. Sue asked if we knew where Don was, and Dan said he saw him with Joann, to which Sue said, "Well, he will be occupied for a while". All this time, Sue was stroking my hard cock, then she said that it looked like I was ready to go again, and so was she. Nancy asked her if we could all do it like they did it at the last party. Sue looked at me and then back at Nancy and said that she thought it would be all right. I must have had a questioning look on my face because Sue told me that I would defiantly like this.
       
      Sue had me sit on the side of the bed with my feet on the floor. She then turned around and straddled me backward. I felt her guide my dick into her pussy as she sat down on my lap. " As exciting as the unknown is when having sex with a new partner, it is just as exciting as being in the know and having sex with someone that you have been with before. You know just what they like, and they know what trips your button; Sue knew just what to do to trip my button." She started to rotate her hips to give my dick that just-right grinding. Feeling her slow humping up and down along with the rotation was driving me insane. About that time, I felt a tongue wrapping around my balls and work up my shaft to where I was buried into Sue’s wet box. I looked around Sue to see Nancy on her hands and knees licking not only my balls and dick but also Sue’s wet pussy, and Dan was behind Nancy just fucking away. Sue started to rotate and moan, which caused me to shove up harder; Nancy was licking and sucking faster, which made Sue moan and rotate faster. It was like a snowball rolling downhill. The more it went on, the faster it got. I don’t know what was going on with Dan, and I did not care. I know that I came harder and longer into Sue’s pussy than I can ever remember doing. I remember falling back onto the bed with Sue laying on top of me and still feeling a tongue licking the both of us, and then I heard a far-off scream that said fuck me fuck yes fuck me.
       
      Sue was pulling on my arms and telling me it was time that we rejoined the party. We walked down the hall naked and into the den. We went to the bar, and I sat down on one of the stools. Sue went and got us both a drink and stood between my legs with her arms around my neck. She asked me what I thought of Nancy, and I told her that she was definitely different than any woman that I knew. She said that there was a long story behind that and she would tell me later, but not tonight, I laid my head down between her breast, and she was holding me and rubbing the back of my head when Don came walking up to join us.
       
      Don sat down on a stool, and Sue went over and put her arms around him and asked if he was having fun; I said that he looked like he had been road hard and put up wet. To which he came back with a one-word answer. " Joann". Sue and I just laughed, and I asked if she was still a whirlwind in bed, and he said that she was a man killer if you let her.
      Sue kissed us both and said that we men better get used to the whirlwinds because they are going to rule the world someday.
       
      Note from Jay:
      I have tried to express some of my feelings, thoughts, and happenings into the stories about how I got back into swinging after Dee’s death. I know that it is not your typical swing stories that you are used to reading here. I know that I have brought up couples out of the blue for those that have not been on this site for very long. There are stories posted by " Jay and Dee" that tells how we got started in the swinging lifestyle, how we found out that Don and Sue were swingers, and stories that were milestones in Dee’s and my journey into this wonderful lifestyle.
       
      A lifestyle that I thought had ended with Dee's death. A lifestyle of freedom, pleasure, understanding, and pure joy that I thought I would never be a part of again if it were not for Sue. Some might read into these stories that I have an infatuation with Sue. That is not true. I love Sue. If you go back and read The Surprise, you will know that I have known Sue since we were in elementary school. Her older brother was my best friend until we graduated high school; now, her husband is my best friend.
       
      If it were not for Sue and Don standing by me and pulling me out of my depression, getting me back into not only the lifestyle but life itself did I meet Pam.
       
      Pam is another story all together
       
      I lost Dee in 2004, and the stories about how I got back into the swing happened in 2006. In future stories, I will try not to go back too far into the past, but sometimes my thoughts go there, to a time, a place, or a person that is so important to me that I must bring it up for the story context.
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