Mr.Hyde69

I'm going to cut the fat and get down to the bone on this one. Your wife wants to go have sex with some other guy without you there. She wants to do something sexually that has absolutely nothing to do with you or your desires. She just wants a stamp of approval in doing so and she is trying to do so under the guise of swinging. This is not swinging. Swinging is something a couple does together.This is fucking somebody behind your back with a get out of jail free card. All I can say is that if you can't see this for what it is then you have way more problems than your wife's desire to do it.

I find that swinging while pregnant is not only an exercise in bad taste but it is also a blatant act of disregard for the health of your unborn child. No matter how safe you are, swinging carries a real STD risk. Ever seen pictures of newborns that have been ravaged by a STD infection? A decent portion of them die in an unspeakable fashion. Cant you keep your pants on for a couple of months and be sure that you do not endanger an innocent party?I suggest you do a search and read about the potential risk to your unborn child and view some actual pictures of the horrific results of newborn STD infection before you decide to engage in such activities. I am all for swinging/group sex as long as the only potential risks are for the consenting adults that decide to engage in it. I am very opposed to deciding to endanger your unborn child when it obviously cannot have a say in the situation. Even if you know the people and are fairly sure that they are safe you still can't be sure. People are not always 100% honest and forthright, especially when it comes to sexual habits/behaviors. Hyde

Putting on my best asbestos three piece.... I'm going to say what some of you have probably thought but were afraid to speak aloud. Despite the extent we have bridged the gap there are still noticeable differences between the white culture and the black culture on average. Yes, there are great number of people who do not necessarily fit into their racial box, but if everyone would be honest with themselves you know what I'm saying is right. This is also true concerning the particular tastes and preferences that are often accepted and promoted within them. Black men on average are far more tolerant of women carrying around a little extra padding than white men in general. Yes, you have white guys who like big girls but it is not nearly as acceptable of a preference among the white community as a whole. It is no secret that a lot of black men don't mind being with a woman with a significant amount of meat on their bones. Watch 10 black comics and count how many references are made to this particular phenomenon when the topic of females come up. If that doesn't do it for you just go to the mall with intact retinas and tell me otherwise. If anything it points out a more accepting attitude that is prevalent in the black community regarding this particular attribute. From Sheryl and Greg's avatar alone, I can tell by her picture that she is not exactly petite just by her facial shot alone. And before any body accuses me of stereotyping don't bother... We all stereotype, good and bad to some degree. It's human. As far as me being a racist. You won't find a less racist guy on the planet. I won't insult the black people on this board by trying to invoke the token black friend/girl friend card white people feel they have to do any time that race is mentioned. I'm actually what I say I am and do not feel the need. The one thing that does bother me is it always sends a big red flag up in the issue department whenever I see someone who will only exclusively be with someone that is not of their race. To me that signals issues of a far deeper nature than sexual preference. We have all seem folks with race identity issues. You know... white guy,with a dew rag trying to talk like he's from the hood in such an exaggerated manner you can't hardly keep a straight face who only dates black girls who thinks he's from the street even though he was raised in a semi-posh middle class suburb in a cul de sac.He wasn't always that way but at some point it happened. Just because we are all trying to get along does not mean we have to be insultingly blind to our differences. It's the distinctive differences that make each culture great in it's own authentic way. And by the way I purposely did not use the word African American. I'm personally one of those people who believe that we are all just Americans. We just come in different colors. Plus,anyone who actually has black friends knows that unless you are formally addressing a race issue in a public forum that the use of that word alone usually indicates that they really don't have any. My black friends call me the N word half the time. When are people going to quit treating race like it's a live grenade. That is the very thing that can actually make it one.

All I can say is those who attempt to engage in repartee with JnCC end up on the short bus of the stick. I do genuinely appreciate an adept quipster. Props G Now... Swinging and tolerance are two different creatures. The ave. swingers views on male/male sexuality and single males are glaring examples of where intolerance is a widely sanctioned and practiced among the typical swinger populous. The only thing that tolerance is a integral part of is... well, tolerance. It stands alone as a principle/virtue. Opinions are like assholes.Everybody has one. And sometimes assholes have opinions. (That was not directed at anyone, I just like saying that.It tickles me.) But back to opinions... How many people here have actually witnessed a true gangbang 15+ up close in person? How many of you have argued an opinion in regard to them? For those of you who have never witnessed one of these in the flesh, let me tell you... I have personally had the displeasure of seeing three 12+'rs in a swingclub environment and a handful of vanilla trains back in the day and they were all a far cry from the fantasy concept that most people cook up in their minds concerning this activity. It's more like a sad receptacle for some kind of depersonalized sexual fastfood drive through at McGloryHoles. For starters... How many of you know 10 people in real life that you actually have real genuine chemistry with? Most of us would be lucky if we could claim 5. The fact is that these people are not doing this because they are actually really personally connecting with these people. What does it say about someone who will just let anything with a pulse and willing stick their stuff in them? Most people who are okay with that level of indiscrimination are usually paid for this kind of activity. My point is that a handful of guys in real life is one thing. The entire staff of Denny's is another.

Curious Two, I would have to disagree with you on your assessment of this situation. Though J's are more likely to rush to judgment than P's ,this is not the case here. We all were presented all of the necessary data required for a clear and concise synopsis. 1) The offending party clearly stated their intent. 2) They knew this guy's marital status. 3) They stated a sense of heightened gratification based on the deviance of the situation. 4) They did it anyway despite knowlege of all of the forementioned. Now if the Naughties had just run into this guy in a bar portraying himself as a single guy looking for a goodtime that is one thing. I would have to agree with your line of thinking.Since they had prior knowlege that this guy was nothing of the sort I would have to strongly disagree. The other examples that you gave to those you say were on steeds of the highest degree I would also have to disagree based on the same priciples that I have previously stated. Hyde

My fellow Virginian, So you would have been perfectly ok with my wife fucking your husband and possibly putting you at an STD risk for some self serving sleazy ego stroke behind your back the night before your wedding ? Do tell.... I would love to hear the level of rationalization it would require you to actually possess if you responded yes to this inquiry. P.S. There is a distinct difference between real life and the ficticious erotic scenarios submitted to a second rate skin mag. Mr Hyde

No. In the end we have no one to blame for the decisions we make but the one staring back in the mirror. The buck stops with the groom. I think this discussion was more about people with diminished scruples behaving in a low rent fashion under the guise of swinging. Without respect for the institution of marriage by all parties involved it's not swinging . It's sexual conquest for the sake of stroking ones ego in a less than respectable fashion. Hyde

I was not by any means implying the groom was entirely a victim in this scenario. He could have refused to touch her. But, Invisible Touch hit on some really good points. People are extremely vulnerable and sometimes down right terrified before they take the plunge. Werent you? Couple that with the average environment of a bachelor party ( extreme alcohol intoxication, devolved male pack mentality Etc. Etc.) and it's not exactly your everyday situation.Ever been to one? I've seen guy's attempt to publicly humiliate grooms into doing shit with girls they had absolutely no desire to do but gave into the pressure of their peers after being called a pussy for zillionth time. Yes, he still could have said no. And maybe this guy didnt need a hell of a lot of urging. But if I understand this scenario correctly, there was quite a bit of it going on. This guy's dad was even egging him on. Regardless of this guy's intent, it does not take away from this swinger's motives. She's supposedly married herself and should have exercised a scruple or two. They hit the nail on the head with "the hot wife syndrome." We have all seen it and it makes most women want to puke/ smack them. Trying to diminish the crediblity of posters by calling them the Taliban,the moral police, or by somehow implying that they are some kind of prude strungout on Jesus is just plain infantile and a weak argument tactic they teach kids in debate 101. People who actually swing arent exactly prudes by core definition alone. All kinds of people swing for a littany of reasons. And we have met a plethora of them that do so for some very unhealthy one's. It's ranged from decent married people just trying to have a little fun to serial cheaters/sex addicts without a scruple/moral to be found. I'm personally tired of people of the latter choosing to call themselves swingers just so they can call themselves something with better PR than their actual definition. And those who do not subscribe to the typical PC swinger flock mentality are sometimes are made to feel less than welcomed and appreciated on here. But if you ask me, they are the only ones who actually make this board worth visiting. This board needs people like Jncc,InvisibleTouch, and all of the other folks on here whose names momentarily escape me, who think outside of the box. Hyde

I agree with you for the most part Chicup, but just because someone doesn't live on a chat board does not diminish the validity of their statement or indicate they reside under a rock.Keep it above the belt. Other than that,I'm pretty much in agreement with you on this one. Hyde

Lets just cut the fat and chew here.... People who respect marriage and consentual disclosure who swing are basically offended by the motive and intent of the offending swinger. Her intent and her excitation derived from it's concept (possibly even more than the physical result obtained) is more of an example of manipulative selfish promiscuity than an act of legitmate swinging, yet it is being disclaimed as the genuine article. And if you are swinging for the right reason it most likely will offend you on some level based on the principle alone.Keep in mind that all people who swing are not necessarily doing it out of healthy motivation. Examples: Those who derive their self esteem through sexual conquest, those incapable of monogamy, serial cheaters, etc. etc.Sometimes they find their own ilk and marry. Do not assume that just because you may enjoy the erotic exploits of a particular couple in a narrative that their concept of swinging actually resembles your own. We have met some real pieces of work during our voyage into various adult extracurricular activities. Remember.... Ted Bundy successfully manned a suicide hot line for several years with nothing but lauding from those who observed him. I am not by any means equating them with Ted Bundy. I just find that hyperbole is often the shortest distance between point A and B. Think about what I said objectvely before you attempt to flame me. Put yourself in the brides place and think about the offending swingers intent before you attempt to flame me. I am not excusing the grooms behaviour by any means. He was wrong as well. But that does not excuse the predatory, self serving, and malicious intent of the offending swinger. Hyde

Paramour, Anytime anyone comes on this board and has an opinion that is not a typical PC swinger response they have a tendency to get blasted on here. I've been reading this board for years and have seen it too many times to count. This is especially the case any time you have an opinion that opposes those that live on this board and compulsively post on it. If you hold a different opinion that is not what the popular posters think then you must be a troll, a single male pretending to be married,a married man deviously posting here without his wife's permission, or some other description that defines you as not being credible. So, As long as you are on here you better do as the flock does or don't be surprised when you are no longer able to post due to being blocked. And you are absolutely right about the moderators. If you have an opinion that doesn't fall within the spectrum of their own beliefs people can flame you all day long without reprimand. But if you were to say something half as bad as them you will eventually find yourself gone from here. I've seen some very interesting and thought provoking characters get 86'd on here. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if this post doesn't get me in trouble with someone.

It was about 11yrs ago when my wife and I were both 22 and it was soon after we had met. We had a friend drop us off at her apartment complex since we were far to hammered to drive a lawnmower yet alone a car. We had probably had ingested 40 mg of valium and 30 drinks between us. Oh what I wouldnt give to have the constitution I had back then. Back to my story... We were completely out of our minds and had absolutely no regard for our surroundings. We were so turned on and uninhibited that we just started stripping in the middle of the courtyard in plain view of god and everyone. It was right around dinner time and it wasnt even completely dark out so anyone who passed or looked out of any of the 60 + windows around us would have had front row seats. We got completely naked with our clothes thrown everywhere. I grabbed her by her hair,pushed her up against a tree, tongued her ass her for a few minutes, and proceeded to have animalistic anal sex for approximately the next 30 minutes until I finally came. I'm suprised that no one called the police or we didnt get a round of applause afterwards because I know at least 10 cars drove right by us and I made eye contact with at least two people during the course of our session. One was an apartment full of guys so I'm sure they probably just watched. We were so out of control I lost my wallet and one of my shoes. She lost her panties and her house key. We had to walk to a gas station up the street to call her room mate to come home and let us in. I then went back out with a flashlight and found my wallet. The shoe never turned up. For many years that was one of the most out of control erotic experiences that my wife and I had ever had. Since then we have had many. facelick

You need to re-read my post. I said if I "were' a single male. I was speaking in the first person as if I were one. As far as your suspicions regarding my marital status, my wife of 12 years would probably have something to say about that one. I actually find it a bit strange that one would automatically assume/imply I was possibly misrepresenting myself. Though I'm painfully aware of how rampant misrepresentation is within the online swinger community(another reason for deactivating our profiles) I don't see the motivation for anyone doing so here. This is a message board,not a personals site. You don't have to be a single male to defend one. I am a male and I'm only a divorce or death away from being a single one so it is not necessarily too far of a stretch of the imagination to be able to put myself in ones place.

After re-reading my late night post I thought I would go ahead an issue a disclaimer before someone flames me. I do not think that all couples and single females have a sense of superiority to single males. Just like all single males arent clueless creeps that are just looking for easy pussy. It's just something that if you really pay attention to all of the intricacies of the social dynamics in group sex/swinging environments you dont have to look very far or hard to witness that kind of mentality. We personally like swingers of all classifications equally. We believe that s. males,s. females and couples all have their pros and cons but each catagory is of fairly equal value to us sexually. If I insulted anyone it really wasnt my intention to do so. I just hate to see any group (especially underdogs so to speak) getting picked on/ganged up on.

I'll be honest with you guys. If I were a single male the last thing in the world I would want to do is swing given the attitudes of a lot of the couples and the utter lack of value that is placed on my ilk that is generally promoted in "the lifestyle". I actually find it rather amusing that couples and EBF's often will place themselves so far above single males in swinging. I guess it's kind of like high school in some respects. Looking back on the most popular people in school, I realized that a lot of the cheerleaders/popular girls had flat or fat/wide asses, flat/unattractive chests, non-remarkable/unattractive faces and the only thing that they had going for them was possibly good hair and their status. Somewhere along the way these people were catapulted for some ungodly reason into social privilege. And even though most of the school didn't suffer from any major terminal visual impairment, everybody lusted after these people. These folks though undeservedly, had their pick of the litter so to speak. In a lot of respects I think that couples and single females are the group sex equivalent of them. Some single males do bring a lot of their woes upon themselves but in general I think they get a bad rap often unfairly. My wife and I just deactivated the last of our online profiles due to undesirables who didn't have a clue contacting us. The thing is that the undesirables were not for the most part single males. They were mostly couples. Overall, with the exception of one guy in particular, we found the single males demeanor on average far more considerate and conducive than the couples. It has been our experience that there are just as many if not slightly more creepy couples out there than single males contact per contact. There are just more single males in general. Singles can be weird but there is a certain level of disturbing that a really messed up and freaky couple can achieve that a single just can't touch. But that is just our opinion and you know what they say about those.