Professional Couples?

Unless they want a couple that work in the sex/porn/prostitution industry?

 

I guess I'm not a professional because I'm not sure what they want either. lol

me either! LOL.

 

My first thought reading your post was just what Pinmonkey said.

My guess is it's a "Social" filter they are applying towards potential couples.

Here's how I see it. Maybe them mean mature and sophisticated couple. I mean really how many people could honestly reply to that. I would think that would immediately eliminate anyone in a blue collar position or with a couple if even one of them works a blue collar job. On top of that you have so many people (like me) who when I worked I was an administrative assistant. I never considered it a profession it was just a job and a bad one at that. Anyway, I don't know what all that means, but regardless of what they are looking for we would never reply to that. I do consider my "job" now to be a true profession and one I am really good at, but that line did make me laugh. And I have noticed that most of the ads that say they are looking for a professional couple also state that they are looking for such because of discretion due to their job. Okay I can see that as valid. You will never see a picture of us unless you ask for one because of discretion, you never know who is lurking, but come on don't we all want discretion?

My guess would probably be this: They want people that are professional because they want to make sure that whomever they hook up with is on the same financial level, that way when they want to pick up and go out to a club, house party, trip to Atlantic City or the sweet B&B down the street, they KNOW the other couple will have the funds. We state on our own ad that we've got kids, & we have to plan almost everything ahead of time so that there are no strains on our limited budget. Anyone else think that's what it means?

We are guilty of using this adjective to describe ourselves. This is what it means to us (Not that we are the final authority).

 

1. We are in white collar positions.

2. We believe we have careers and not just jobs.

3. We seek to "move up" to positions of greater responsibility, and pay, within our career fields. We have had some success so far.

 

Now, we don't limit ourselves to playing only with other "professionals". A good sense of humor, great conversation, and sexy looks come from all types of folks.

As a matter of fact, one of our favorite couples is somewhat bohemian, and we really enjoy their perspective on things (Not to mention how well they play with others).

Well my thinking on this is a professional would be someone that has a state (or government) issued license that they can take away from you if you screw up somehow, but I feel that anything that I get paid to do makes me a "professional" don't you?

 

Then again I may just be warped.

In many cases it is a "class" issue, and people are stating that they want people of the same class level of themselves. It is unfortunate, but quite true, as we know a number of similar people who would never step out with people they considered beneath them.

 

Then again, I have seen ads that ask for "working class only", so it can work both ways.

So how many people out there are homemakers? And for those of you that do put "professional" in an ad, would that be a requirement of both people in a couple? Someone said that they would take that to mean "financially in the same area" or something like that. I can totally understand that, however how do you really determine that?

Interesting concept. Profession rarely has anything to do with financial status. If anything for many (at least around here) the more you make the more likely you are to not be able to afford anything because you are in debt up to your eyeballs. So if you are "professional" and judging people based on their income, that really may not affect whether or not they are in the same "class" as you or able to enjoy themselves to the same level as you.

I agree Julie, which is why I only mentioned the concept of "class" and not "finances". Many Professionals do not make all that much money, but because of education and bearing are considered to have "class"

 

If it was solely based on finances, well my neighbor who is a plumber (and we live in an very upper middle class neighborhood) makes a lot more money than my doctor and lawyer neighbors! The Brick Layer around the corner isn't doing too bad either

A professional is someone who gets paid for it. I am afraid it is being used as a class distinction and not properly so.

 

I am a carpenter by trade. Through my trade I became a construction expert. That lead me to being part of a real estate development team that includes accountants, lawyers and engineers. Last night they told me how glad they are to have me on their team because they would have been lost without me. In act, one keeps saying, "...and you learned all of this by being a carpenter?" "Aaah...yeah."

 

I think we all have to be discrete whether you are a brain surgeon or a taxi driver, we all have the right to privacy.

 

As far as class distinction goes, the content of you heart is more important than the content of your bank account.

 

Several years ago I was at a social function and wound up at a table where this guy let me know that he was better than me because he was a lawyer and a professional and I was only a contractor. Later he was talking to me about remodeling his kitchen and I had to let him know, "Sorry, I don't work for attorneys, they work for me."

Well, let me put my foot in it.

 

When you go to restaurants, there are all kinds of restaurants from McDonalds to Five Star Michelin. When you go to Churches there are all kinds and persuasions. [in our home town, 865 churches listed in the yellow pages]

Well swingers are like that too.

 

I am sorry to say, but I don't even read the posts of the couples on Motor Cycles.

 

When we were more active in the life style, one of the "issues" was not an overt class thing, but did you "match" at all. I think people advertise in personals what their professional background and training is. That is much what it is like in the "lifestyle" department.

 

In the South, sometimes people call another or another group as "Red Neck" or "Red Neck Grits". Well, the "Grits" don't mix all that well with the "Brie and Chablis" Crowd. Now, some of the "Grit" Chicks are hot.

 

A problem we noticed is that the groups have different standards of behavior, even different languages.

 

I guess that is why we want to have three to six couples that are "simpatico" for some fun every two to four months.

We read a profile on another site that included this text, perhaps not accurate word for word, but essentially so:

 

"We are very picky, and don't like to have to tell people we are not interested."

 

That is a peculiar way of expressing conceit, the likes of which we have not seen before.

I think this is for people who are trying to meet others that have white collar jobs...lets face it, people like to meet like people so they have things in common. I, James, do have a "professional" job but we will not limit my choices. We only have a few must have criteria---read/write a readable sentence and have somewhat of a good sense of humor.

The term can be a symptom of snootiness, but it can also help people find a good match.

 

A few years ago, we communicated by e-mail with a couple that seemed a perfect match. We lived a couple hours apart, but were making plans to meet until he mentioned that he was a surgeon and his wife a college professor. Since I was a high school educated, retired factory worker and my wife worked in sales, we knew we wouldn't have much in common to talk about. I let him know that it takes more than interest in sex to make people compatible and we never did meet. They thought things would work out okay, but we knew when we would be well outside our comfort zone intellectually and financially.

The term can be a symptom of snootiness, but it can also help people find a good match.

 

were making plans to meet until he mentioned that he was a surgeon and his wife a college professor. Since I was a high school educated, retired factory worker and my wife worked in sales, we knew we wouldn't have much in common to talk about. .....but we knew when we would be well outside our comfort zone intellectually and financially.

 

You might have turned down meeting some very nice people. They might have had more money than you, but they might not have been the type to flaunt it. You do have a lot in common: you walk this earth like other humans, you married and raised families and have a lot of the same issues, clean air and water and the traffic you each deal with going to work.

 

I was talking to a retired accountant about boating and said the only reason I could do the boating I do is because I can fix everything myself. He was lamenting how it cost him $250 to fix a problem that turned out to be two $25 switches and how he wished he could fix things like me. But maybe boaters are a different lot. Nothing levels the playing field like 30 knot winds and 15 foot seas.

The Mr. Here. Don't post too much but this one got me a little...

 

BOTCPL said: "Sorry, I don't work for attorneys, they work for me."

 

You know I think this is awesome!! The statement. I happen to work in an industry that I have been in for 15 years and only being 29 that makes for a lot more to come. The reality is that at my age most people don't have the experience I do in the industry therefore some people I work with think I don't have a clue. One being our COO and the VP of our company. Our VP is a co-owner who was given 50% of the business and projects the attitude that he is above or better than the rest of us who work there when the reality is since my 15 years I have done everything from moping the floors to running the show and probably have a better sense of it then the 50% owner who got it as a gift 5-6 years ago. So I think the term professional is a load of you know what.

 

If you like the couple/person (whichever you prefer) Who gives a crap, we all put our pants on one leg at a time.

I think they are looking for people who live for their job... Folks who take their careers far too seriously and are willing to listen to them yammer about what they do all night before finally declaring themselves "hot enough to have sex now!"

 

They will probably want to consult their Blackberry before engaging in certain positions and are likely going to take calls while getting or giving it doggy style.

 

If you are the type of person who is pushed over the orgasmic edge by the relentless screaming of "SELL!!! SELL!!!" then you should probably contact these folks...

 

If I am wrong, that's cool. I work in Dilbert-world and the last thing I want to do with my weekend is hang out with the PC corporate crowd that I have to loathe for 40 hours per week.

We are guilty of using this adjective to describe ourselves. This is what it means to us (Not that we are the final authority).

 

1. We are in white collar positions.

2. We believe we have careers and not just jobs.

3. We seek to "move up" to positions of greater responsibility, and pay, within our career fields. We have had some success so far.

 

 

 

Where can I start? I'm at home with the kids now, but for almost 10 years, I was an E.M.T. Now, I can tell you , first hand, that this is a blue collar job. When I was sweating my butt off in the summer heat carrying a patient down 3 flights of stairs, on a long board, with an O2 tank over my shoulder, I was blue collar. When I climbed over a glass covered back seat to stabilize a drivers head while my partner reached for a collar and backboard, we were blue collar. When I arrived at an elderly woman's house at 3 a.m. to find, what she called for, was that she couldn't find her glasses to read her medication bottles, I was most definitely blue collared. Yet, each and every patient I treated, knew that I was a professional.

 

Now, numbers 2 and 3, in the above list, apply to me. Working the Ambulance was my career, not just a job. ( It's what I'll go back to when the kids get older) I sought to "move up" to positions of greater responsibility and pay, and had quite a bit of success at it. I was good at my " job", and moved up in my "career". So, the only one that wouldn't apply to me would be number one. Lack of a "white collared" position.

 

Financially? Yes, an E.M.T. makes a meager wage, but take the case with my husband. He has been a Marine Mechanic since he was a teenager. He went to a Vocational High School, then on to more specialized Diesel training. He is constantly furthering his career. He is employed by one of the most profitable companies in the world. We have two children, mortgage , bills, the usual, and we do it very comfortably with my husband being the sole provider.

 

Again, numbers two and three apply to him, but he is far from white collared.

 

So, when your generator goes down in the middle of the night, or your boat full of business associates are stranded at the dock because your engine won't start on a weekend, and you see my husband coming.....with his pointy blue collared shirt, grab your wallet and hold on tight, this ones going to hurt.

 

Being in the business so long, my husband has made many "White Collared" friends. I've sat at dinner tables with people who make millions of dollars a year. and me never having made more than 30 thousand a year. Yet, I'm invited back again and again. Hmmm, what does this say about me?

 

I like variety in all things, even the company I choose to keep.

 

As for the profiles on sls stating, "Professionals only", I feel bad that the female half of these couples will never experience Mr.101's firm, steely mechanic grip on their shoulders as he takes them from behind. Oh well...I guess they should learn to keep an open mind.

I am sorry to say, but I don't even read the posts of the couples on Motor Cycles.

 

What if the motorcycle is a BMW, and the people are in full safety gear?

 

Also, Harley Davidsons are owned and operated by individuals from all possible socio-economic levels. So..... you are eliminating a whole lot of people.

Where can I start? I'm at home with the kids now, but for almost 10 years, I was an E.M.T. Now, I can tell you , first hand, that this is a blue collar job. When I was sweating my butt off in the summer heat carrying a patient down 3 flights of stairs, on a long board, with an O2 tank over my shoulder, I was blue collar. When I climbed over a glass covered back seat to stabilize a drivers head while my partner reached for a collar and backboard, we were blue collar. When I arrived at an elderly woman's house at 3 am to find, what she called for, was that she couldn't find her glasses to read her medication bottles, I was most definitely blue collared. Yet, each and every patient I treated knew that I was a professional.

 

Now, numbers 2 and 3, in the above list, apply to me. Working the Ambulance was my career, not just a job. ( It's what I'll go back to when the kids get older) I sought to "move up" to positions of greater responsibility and pay, and had quite a bit of success at it. I was good at my " job", and moved up in my "career". So, the only one that wouldn't apply to me would be number one. Lack of a "white collared" position.

 

Financially? Yes, an E.M.T. makes a meager wage, but take the case with my husband. He has been a Marine Mechanic since he was a teenager. He went to a Vocational High School, then on to more specialized Diesel training. He is constantly furthering his career. He is employed by one of the most profitable companies in the world. We have two children, mortgage , bills, the usual, and we do it very comfortably with my husband being the sole provider.

Again, numbers two and three apply to him, but he is far from white collared.

 

So, when your generator goes down in the middle of the night, or your boat full of business associates are stranded at the dock because your engine won't start on a weekend, and you see my husband coming.....with his pointy blue collared shirt, grab your wallet and hold on tight, this ones going to hurt.

 

Being in the business so long, my husband has made many "White Collared" friends. I've sat at dinner tables with people who make millions of dollars a year. and me never having made more than 30 thousand a year. Yet, I'm invited back again and again. Hmmm, what does this say about me?

 

I like variety in all things, even the company I choose to keep.

 

As for the profiles on sls stating, "Professionals only", I feel bad that the female half of these couples will never experience Mr.101's firm, steely mechanic grip on their shoulders as he takes them from behind. Oh well...I guess they should learn to keep an open mind.

 

Mrs.101

 

Very good..... very, very good. I especially like the perspective revealed in the remarks that those served by the EMT knows that person to be professional.

We are only 1/2 professional I guess... He has a GED and I have a degree with years of specialized experience. Common interest or "mixing well" have never been problems for us as a couple or with us and other couples so I'm not sure why meeting with persons with different jobs would be a problem for anyone else.

The line that gets me is "we are professionals with high profile positions, therefore discretion is of the utmost importance"... well duh??? I may no longer work in a professional career (I did once) but I'm pretty high profile in the PTO and local youth sports so, YA, discretion matters for me too!! I just can't stand people that make themselves sound more important than they are or like their reputation is so much more valuable than yours! Just my two cents (okay, maybe only one cent!)

I love all the replies. I couldn't agree more with you. It really is a turn-off to see things like this in a profile unless I suppose you are another "professional with a high profile position" I just can't seem to justify this in my head. Although some people are more high profile (tv personality, attorneys, etc...) I am very high profile IMO to my family and my children, discretion is just as important to me as the next guy. And just because I am at home during the day doesn't mean I'm not professional I am a professional parent if we want to get politically correct. I CHOOSE not to work because my DH and I decided that this works for our family. Which leads to another topic. Some people assume that Stay home moms are dumpy stupid and sit home all day and eat bon bons, this really ticks me off. We work just as hard as the next guy. And we have many professions. Some days it is making the perfect cake for our kids, some days it is research assistant for homework, some days it is teacher, some days (like today) Dr., nurse, and cleaning. And you know I may not get paid in $ but my reward for this is so much greater than any monetary pay. I get hugs and kisses and know that I am what my kids need me to be. I know what it is to be the single mom and work at a "job" and come home and wish that I had more time and energy. I am so glad that I have found a man that understands how important this decision is for us. Sorry, I guess I went on a bit, but I am venting a little.

How about this one. I just read this in an ad today:

 

"Playmates must be H/W proportional or we are not interested. This means if you are more than 10 to 20 lbs off your ideal weight for your height, don't bother contacting us. Fat people need love too, but it won't be from us. We are not Barbie & Ken, but we're not interested in someone from the Pink Flamingos. We are looking for professional, successful people like we are so we have some common ground."

 

Can you believe it! 10 to 20 lbs off your ideal weight for your height?? What planet do these people live on?

The advertisements are a "shorthand". Perhaps on examination, one goes to a fuller examination of the issue, but there is only so much time in the day, month, or week. The advertiser is saying "Well, here are some rough guidelines. It will save you, and it will save us time."

 

Now as to Motorcycles, because someone replied, I think they show a "Mind Set" When Malcolm Forbes was going around the country on his Harley, he was as out of my arena and league, as the Hell's Angels who is transporting Grass from Canada to the U. S. When people are in a "motorcycle mood or stage" we are not at their stage. So maybe we should both save ourselves the trouble.

 

The couples we really enjoyed over a long time frame were the hospital pharmacist and her husband, the nuclear technician and his wife the personnel specialist, a merchant marine office and his wife, and an electrical engineer and his wife. There were, of course, dozens of others, at parties but we only knew them activities at the club. [And the club burned down, never to be rebuilt] Can you imagine a Swinger's Club named "The Inn Place"?

 

As to spouses, the "housewifey" wife takes on the professional status of the husband, more or less. And a hot "red neck chick" can get anything she wants, and no one will say a word about not finishing high school.

 

It also seems to me that people know what their professional class is. There are probably five levels of professional class, and you can reach one up or one down, but more than that is difficult. Someone in the group may have had a motorcycle, but we never discussed or knew about it.

Someone in the group may have had a motorcycle, but we never discussed or knew about it.

 

So are you saying that should a couple you have been playing with for a while, and got along really well with, suddenly showed up on a motorcycle (you know, those custom ones that cost about $75,000) you would tell them that you're not interested in them anymore?

No, I believe he is talking about people who live the "Motorcycle Culture" not people who just ride them. There is a big difference.

 

When we were younger, Danny and I both would ride and we did get into the whole "Harley Lifestyle". We did have a great time and met some amazing people. But we did fall out of it due to family and work. These days, we just ride once in a while but we are not part of that Lifestyle.

I don't know. It doesn't seem to me that they are talking about the "Motorcycle Culture" as they said "a motorcycle" which sounds to me that just by owning a motorcycle in general is disgusting. And to equate Malcolm Forbes to the Hells Angels just because he rode a Harley??

 

Pleeeeease.

My guess is they want couples like themselves that are in business. This way they are more likely to get along and have similar tastes. We'd argue that fact but it is NOT up to us.

We have seen this discussion many times before, and people always get offended by it. People who refer to themselves or their desired playmates as "professionals" mean something very specific. Technically, anyone who gets paid for services is a "professional," but most people view the term as meaning someone who has a career that requires advanced education and or extended apprenticeship. That would mean people like physicians, nurses, lawyers, engineers, professors, researchers, scientists - in short, not a career like sales or construction which are basically learned on the job. That's all people mean by "professional" - someone who has advanced education or training in field that requires such advanced education or training as the ticket into entry level positions.

When people are in a "motorcycle mood or stage" we are not at their stage. So maybe we should both save ourselves the trouble.

I know exactly what you mean, and I've got nine of the damn things including a pair of Harleys. But only 3 black motorcycle T-shirts though...all gifts from people who assumed that since I like motorcycles, I must like black T-shirts also. WRONG...

So are you saying that should a couple you have been playing with for a while, and got along really well with, suddenly showed up on a motorcycle (you know, those custom ones that cost about $75,000) you would tell them that you're not interested in them anymore?

I don't know about "them," but I certainly wouldn't fuck anybody who paid $75,000 for just one motorcycle. In fact, I'm not even sure a guy who owns nine of 'em ought to be allowed to breed.

Frankly, we would not reply to an ad looking for "professionals". I haven't read all the previous posts, But, eliminating a complete group of people from your play "family" because they ride motorcycles seems odd to me.

 

Because we don't like to contaminate threads, we're going to start a new thread on a similar subject to see what we can stir up.

It is a filter and a rather poor one looking for 'higher class' people. Obviously it has some major shortcomings.

 

I do find we hit it off a lot better with couples near our social status/intelligence but until you meet a couple face to face it is just a guess.

How about this one. I just read this in an ad today:

 

"Playmates must be H/W proportional or we are not interested. This means if you are more than 10 to 20 lbs off your ideal weight for your height, don't bother contacting us. Fat people need love too, but it won't be from us. We are not Barbie & Ken, but we're not interested in someone from the Pink Flamingos. We are looking for professional, successful people like we are so we have some common ground."

 

Can you believe it! 10 to 20 lbs off your ideal weight for your height?? What planet do these people live on?

 

Unreal! It sounds like they are equating thinness with professional & successful. Hey, the world is full of skinny people who are as clueless as a box of rocks and moronic (as well as unprofessional). There are people toting extra pounds who are brilliant, educated, professional and have taste. If these people were intelligent and savvy (as they seem to think they are), they'd have figured this out by now.

 

I agree with the folks who said that "professional" is a code word for class and money.

We are listed as "professional" in our profile, but I think that's pretty much because it seems to be a common descriptor ... . Not terribly sure if people even pay attention to that anymore.

 

I tend to think that people do use this descriptor as a way to tell people that they are somewhat educated, have jobs, don't live on welfare, and are able to carry on an intelligent, thought-provoking conversation. I am neither put off, nor attracted by the descriptor ... for me, it's just kind of "there".

 

In our case, I really think I put it there to kind of succinctly let people know that we both work, and do not have a lot of free time. Neither one of us have attained our college degrees (though I plan on finishing mine at some point). We are not doctors or lawyers (though I plan on being one at some point), but we do consider ourselves professional as we are involved in corporate business, dealing with customers/clientele. Hubby is a Sales Manager for a distribution company and I, though not currently employed, am an Executive Legal Assistant. We may not have "alphabets" appearing after our names (yes, I did see that in an ad once), but what we do involves a great deal of professionalism and much contact with higher-degreed professionals.

 

We may not live in a $500K home, own 5 cars, 2 boats, a vacation home and have unlimited financial resources, but we are both able to carry on an articulate, educated conversation about more than kids, the weather and how fast our grass grows. In that, I consider us to fall under the category of "professional".

 

We are very put off by those that sound like they are setting themselves above and beyond the "normal" middle class. The ones who state that they are "not Ken and Barbie" ... but you can tell by their wording that is exactly who they think they are. I am especially bemused by those who are "not Ken and Barbie" but state that they are looking for "Ken and Barbie".

I find it sad that people would limit themselves to only one social class. They probably miss out on a lot of good times because of it. We wouldn't reply to such an ad, because, personally, I take offense to it. It insinuates, to me, that they believe themselves to be better than me in some way.

 

How many Professional/ upper class people out there have a passion for antiques? Do you have any in your home that you paid a mint for? Well, guess what, that 19th century china cabinet/ hope chest/rolltop desk, that you so proudly display in your bedroom, was hand made by a lower class, un- or under-educated blue collar immigrant who was just hoping to make enough money to feed his family. He most likely only received pennies for it from an upper class family. His work has stood the test of 200 years, and that same piece is now worth thousands. Too bad it took 200 years for people to realize that he was a master craftsman. A professional, and possibly a really interesting guy to talk to. This country was built by blue collared workers.

 

To limit yourself to only one social class of people just seems ignorant to me. It seems like such a closed minded way of thinking, coming from such open minded people as swingers.

 

Maybe my views will change, after all, it's been a long time since I've seen Mr.101 sitting on the couch with a beer opened next to him, picking his nose with one hand while he files for welfare with the other. "Honey, how does you spells ALCAMOHOLIC?" Of course it was just last month that he polished up his one good tooth real purty likes in honor of our wedding anniversary. He's such a sweet man.

 

As far as not having anything in common with other classes of people, we all have life in common. We get up each morning, go to bed each night, and try to make the best of the time in between.

“Professional” should not be looked as a negative term nor should it mean the couple looking for a professional couple is looking down on others; they are looking for common ground. When we think of professional, we read this…

 

1. College educated, you can all talk about how great it was and the crazy stuff you did. Compare notes and maybe do a bit of recreating the event.

 

2. They hopefully have a cash flow to afford to go where you want to. One does not go out and try to hurt feelings by saying “Hey, lets hit Hedo next month” to someone who is trying to pay their bills on time. Granted, we know many “professional” couples in that boat as well.

 

3. They work the same shift you do and do not rotate. Most professionals are Monday through Friday daylight, not all, but most.

 

4. Professional couples USUALLY have a lot to lose too and are VERY discrete.

 

Now, that said, we hang with four couples that swing and at least one in each couple is in a “professional” trade like teaching, computers, nursing, etc. We do not look down at the other half. It’s just common ground. Nothing more or less than that.

Okay really, not going to college DOES not make someone uneducated. Neither my DH or I finished college although we both went for awhile. However how many people sit our and talk about that Anthropology class they took back in college and when Homo sapiens were around? Many people today are self-educated on topics that come from newspapers, tv and the internet. And many blue collar workers that I know are extremely intelligent and have great conversations without the benefit of higher learning.

 

I understand the wanting to reminisce about your college days, I many times wish that I could. However, I don't not like anyone who would have "professional" in their ad, I would still probably respond because really it's all in the eye of the beholder. My dh gets up every morning and drives into his 8-5 job and then comes home. And many people seem to think that the other half whether they are blue collar or no collar (in my case) just fall into the category of their spouse. Well if that is how other people see it that fine.

 

Also, from the people I know who are "professional" college educated couples are living on a shoestring and credit. In fact I don't think I know anyone that is not living paycheck to paycheck regardless of whether they are "lower class" or "middle class".

 

Anyway, not trying to rant here. I understand people have there preferences. I am a size 14 so most would consider me a BBW, but I don't. I would never be offended by anyone not looking for that. When I started this I was really just interested in what truly constitutes a professional couple so I know whether we should respond to certain ads.

When I started this I was really just interested in what truly constitutes a professional couple so I know whether we should respond to certain ads.

 

I think that you respond to the ads that you think are interesting, and not worry about the "professional" aspect of it. Have fun and if someone doesn't think that you are "professional" enough, then it is a snob that you wouldn't have wanted to waste your time with anyways.