realcplub2 513 Posted August 3, 2009 On the Swing Lifestyle forums, someone was in a situation that got alot of debate. The opinions were all over the place and I figured it would inspire at the very least a bit of interesting talk Ok, situation was this, appartently they were lucky enough to bag a unicorn, and then the whole evening fell apart after expecting the other woman to SPLIT the cost of the room... She became indignant, and read them the riot act.. Ok so we were trying to arrange a hookup with this bi single female and we asked her if she would like to split a hotel room with us seeing how none of us could host. It seems she got kinda pissy and responded by saying " i don't want to pay to have sex " then got off line as if we offended her, is that our bad? Should we have offered to pay even though she asked us out? I could see if it was just me as a single male taking a girl on a date but we are a couple? Do we take on the " masculine " role and pay for dinner, drinks, dates, rooms etc? Our inital reply was, Along the line of " You're kidding right" And a basic, where is your head at? So, I am asking whats your take, and what would your position be? Ours would be, well, we wouldnt even ASK, let alone question the idea... Instead, we would be too busy getting INTO the ROOM Quote Share this post Link to post
Chicup 38 Posted August 3, 2009 This is one of those reality vrs ideal. Ideally she would split the cost, since shes part of the whole process and shes supposedly enjoying herself too. In reality I'd never expect her to, nor would I bring it up. Quote Share this post Link to post
Dave_kat 227 Posted August 3, 2009 Dave here... I firmly believe in being a gentleman, regardless if it's just me and Kat or we have company. That being said, it would be more so appropriate for me (although it is mine and Kat's joint account) to pay. Now if she offered to split the cost, after a lot of no's on my part, I've seen them slip Kat their half before, and not said anything (discretion being the better part of valor perhaps there) Quote Share this post Link to post
LFM2 1,482 Posted August 3, 2009 We're like you. We'd be too busy getting into the room. Now, if we asked her, it would be our total responsibility to pay, right? After all, we're the ones that were so very lucky to bag the unicorn. On the other hand, she asked us! We bagged a unicorn. Who would pay? Us. After all, we were so very lucky to bag the unicorn. Seriously, they're unicorns. I believe they don't have to pay for anything and they know it. They can always find someone else who will. Quote Share this post Link to post
Speed & Trixie 162 Posted August 4, 2009 We wouldn't ask, even if we were hosting a couple (let alone a unicorn) in our hotel room. If we wanted to have sex with her/them, we'd just pay for the room. It'd be nice to be offered to split the room, but who the hell cares REALLY?! We just don't -- but if we feel ever like we're being taken advangae of, we'd end the relationship. So far that hasn't happened, and we've only been with very generous, hospitable people. Trixie Quote Share this post Link to post
Dynamar 246 Posted August 4, 2009 If we were only going to have sex in the room, and then leave... I have always offered to pay 1/3, however, I've never had to actually make good, because the couples would never hear of it. If I was staying over someplace, I would always have my own room to retire to (which I've obviously paid for) after playing anyway, so either they would have sex in my room and then leave to their own; or vice versa. Quote Share this post Link to post
bbarnsworth 2,544 Posted August 4, 2009 With no disrespect to anyone, I think this is pretty obvious and someone who attempted to get a unicorn to pay for anything is making a seriously bad move. Quote Share this post Link to post
sexcupid 809 Posted August 4, 2009 I would say on the first meeting...we would offer to pay for the room if no one was able to host at home. But renting hotel rooms can rack up some pretty serious expense after a while (which is why to date I think we've rented a room once to meet another couple...we have gone to on premise clubs, house parties, and hotel parties where playrooms are provided). After a few times, it would only be courteous of the SF (or other couple) to offer to defray part of the cost...even if it's only a token guesture. Now, if you want to stay at the Hilton everytime we meet up...then you better be willing to pony up part of the cost...because there are plenty of perfectly acceptable places to be had for well under a C-note. No one likes to feel like they are being taken advantage of. Just as no one likes to feel obligated. One of our friends is a SF and she always offers to pay her way (or does in most cases...but those have been primarily SM that she's dealt with in those cases). Some of her actions are courtesy because most people have been taught if you can't afford it, don't do something (because seriously...where else in life do you expect people to lay down your every demand at your feet?)...but I can't help but wonder if her desire to pay her own way isn't in some way linked to a desire to not feel a little bit obligated to the couple or SM. Quote Share this post Link to post
VegasLee 1,486 Posted August 4, 2009 Not to hijack the thread but to be fair..... Should Single Men Split the Room Cost with Couples? In both cases you are all still there for the exact same thing. Just fewer Unicorns around then single men. Quote Share this post Link to post
Mr.Essex 264 Posted August 5, 2009 Not to hijack the thread but to be fair..... Should Single Men Split the Room Cost with Couples? In both cases you are all still there for the exact same thing. Just fewer Unicorns around then single men. There are more available single men than unicorns, but there are far few male unicorns in existence than female. If you combine a knowledge of proper swinger etiquette with bisexuality (something that most couples will overlook in a single female), the numbers drop even lower. Now, to get back on point, I'd never expect a woman to pay for a hotel room (even in a vanilla relationship) unless the difference in our financial standings was just that great. To be honest, I've only been invited to a single woman's hotel room (without having my own room available) on 3 occasions: A Japanese businesswoman on a "working holiday" who took advantage of the "different timezone" rule to try some interracial sex, an apostate divorced Tunisian woman (who I met at a swingers club in Frankfurt) looking for a second helping, and a deliciously jubbly Peruvian BBW (think 44F chest to a *gasp* 32" waist) who I met in my hometown. And they all had two things in common: they came from male-dominant/female-negligent households and their self-esteem was so battered that they thought that they'd have to offer more than their bodies in the bargain. If you think that you can find a woman in America who's been raised with no idea of her "worth" (bedroom-wise), you'll have to look for a long time. Modern TV culture has shredded that idea into confetti. Quote Share this post Link to post
Dynamar 246 Posted August 7, 2009 Not to hijack the thread but to be fair..... Should Single Men Split the Room Cost with Couples? In both cases you are all still there for the exact same thing. Just fewer Unicorns around then single men. A lot couples I have come across expect a single male to pay the ENTIRE room tab, which I think is rude as hell. Many post the fact that they expect the dude to pay in their profiles, which is also rude as hell. As a single who believes in equal-opportunity swinging, I'd never play with a couple who had that attitude. Quote Share this post Link to post
realcplub2 513 Posted August 7, 2009 Ok, to be honest, the single male aspect never crossed our minds. Way back when we were into threesomes (before we graduated to couples) we would openly discuss hosting and where play would take place.. And yes, most of the time we were offered portions of splitting the room costs, that we refused. But that added to our jaded view of single males. As was pointed out, the moment it becomes an on going thing and playing in motels, it does become rather expensive. But I would tend to think, the conversation of how to proceed with future play.. Or re arrainging things so hosting can be done on some level. One local couple we are friends with came up with a solution.. They swapped a boat for a camper, and with all the local national parks, take advantage of them. It was rather enjoyable to spend an evening around a campfire, as a distinct diversaion from the dinner or bar route. But I digress. While it would be great if there were clear and distinct rules that everyone followed, that spelled out the proper code of "conduct" there isnt.. How everyone plays, is as diverse as the snowflakes that fall in winter.. And yes that includes the diluted folks that offered the original question on SLS Quote Share this post Link to post
UnicornChasers 15 Posted August 20, 2009 When reading the OP the first thing that crossed my mind was "What a dummy." I wouldn't have asked, as I would have expected to pay. After all, you never look a gift unicorn in the mouth... or something like that. Now if the Unicorn offers that is a different situation, however we would never ask. Quote Share this post Link to post
Tybee Swing 286 Posted August 30, 2009 This is interesting to me, since I have two different perspectives. When I was half of a swinging couple, on the rare occasion that we did manage to meet a geniune unicorn and take her out, we (the couple) treated her like a real date and took her out to a nice restaurant, then to the club as our date, then to a very nice hotel suite, prepared ahead of time with candlelight, bubblebath in oversized tub, all of the ambiance that a woman appreciates - all on our nickel. It was all appreciated and rewarded. Seriously, is it wise to do it any other way, especially if you want to make a good impression and hope to see her again? I think not! I think that only a pair of idiots would ask a unicorn to pay for half the room. Now, from my new and opposite point of view (divorced), that makes me the potential unicorn, since I'm now single and not even dating yet, at this point. Do I still feel the same way about unicorns? Yes, I would expect to be treated as I've treated unicorns in the past. Quote Share this post Link to post
cocpl2007 170 Posted August 30, 2009 Has never been an issue, as hard as it is to actually "find" the elusive Unicorn, the last thing I'd be interested in, was having her cough up any money for the room! It's on US, no questions asked! Quote Share this post Link to post
mixtupcpl 169 Posted August 31, 2009 This is interesting to me, since I have two different perspectives. When I was half of a swinging couple, on the rare occasion that we did manage to meet a geniune unicorn and take her out, we (the couple) treated her like a real date and took her out to a nice restaurant, then to the club as our date, then to a very nice hotel suite, prepared ahead of time with candlelight, bubblebath in oversized tub, all of the ambiance that a woman appreciates - all on our nickel. It was all appreciated and rewarded. Seriously, is it wise to do it any other way, especially if you want to make a good impression and hope to see her again? I think not! I think that only a pair of idiots would ask a unicorn to pay for half the room. Now, from my new and opposite point of view (divorced), that makes me the potential unicorn, since I'm now single and not even dating yet, at this point. Do I still feel the same way about unicorns? Yes, I would expect to be treated as I've treated unicorns in the past. This perfectly sums up how Mrs. Mix and I feel. We talked about it and feel the same way about a single male, actually. We both feel that if we are pursuing a single, it is, in fact, as you nicely described above, a "date" so it is on us to "host" the person. Difference would be that if a SM offered to split (or even treat), we would possibly accept, whereas with a SF we wouldn't hear of it. I would think that any offer would be a social courtesy really and accepting it would be a bit of a turnoff for her. I suspect many might differ with single males, but I've got to think that with single females there has to be near universal consensus that the couple should be taking care of her (pun semi-intended ) Quote Share this post Link to post
ncmd_couple 597 Posted September 4, 2009 Tybee, I agree that it is appropriate that if the couple has invited the single female to be with them then they should pay. But, do you feel that it is gracious for the single female to at least offer to help pay for part of the evening? The offer should be declined, but at least an offer on her part? S Quote Share this post Link to post
ArkansasFunOnes 15 Posted November 30, 2009 If we're out of town, or at a hotel party and already have a room, obviously we're not going to ask for anyone to split the cost of the room with us. As far as a single female, no matter if we pursue her, or she pursues us, we would pay the cost of the room, and probably of most expenses, such as drinks, dinner, etc. If a single male pursues us, then we'd expect him to host or pay for a room. One reason for this is also that we live in a smaller town and always travel to the Little Rock area 60 miles away since most of the men we meet are there. Oftentimes we like meeting 2 or 3 guys at once....if we pursue the men we normally ask that everyone split the cost of a room if none of the guys want to host.....usually figures out to be about $20. each.....and most of the time we end up getting "stuck" by one or two of them....never say anything though. Quote Share this post Link to post
HesterPryne 15 Posted January 14, 2010 They expected the single woman to split the cost??? lmao...I'm a single woman and if a couple even merely insinuated we "split" the cost of the room, I'd tell them to go $#@k themselves...HARD ;-) Quote Share this post Link to post
HesterPryne 15 Posted January 14, 2010 Single men are a dime a dozen in this lifestyle...YES they should at the VERY least split the cost, if not pay for the entire room bill!! Just my humble opinion as a humble unicorn...;-)) Quote Share this post Link to post
sahajacpl 95 Posted January 14, 2010 Single men are a dime a dozen in this lifestyle...YES they should at the VERY least split the cost, if not pay for the entire room bill!! Just my humble opinion as a humble unicorn...;-)) We have treated a unicorn as if she was our date and do not expect her to share the cost of the room since I the male is planning on playing/sleeping with her and having an enjoyable night of sex and intercourse with her. If she offers to or insists on sharing some of the cost, then it is another story, and we might accept it as a token of her appreciation of the great time and night of sex she has had. One of the unicorns we play with is a great lady, and a great sex partner. She has on many occassions, where she particularly has had a great time of social and sexual intercourse has often insisted on sharing the cost of dinner or room in some manner or fashion. Basically we do not expect a unicorn to share in the cost for the priviledge of enjoying play and sexual intercourse with her. Quote Share this post Link to post
lovinher 505 Posted January 14, 2010 I guess it depends on wether you want to play with her again. Quote Share this post Link to post
SecretAsianMan 348 Posted January 14, 2010 I find it interesting that most people seem to be of the feeling that if a couple picks up a single-woman... she's to be treated like their prize and the couple pays for a room. However, if a couple picks up a single-guy... it's HIS treat and he should pay for the room. (With a smaller majority feeling like they should always split the costs regardless of the gender of the "third") This is interesting from a statistical perspective as well as a sociological one ... I realize that single women are the rare-prizes in this lifestyle but it's starting to feel like... I dunno, a sense of entitlement (?) ...that's always rubbed me the wrong way whenever anyone starts with THAT b/s. ((*shrug*)) What about a transexual? (Playing devil's advocate here) Quote Share this post Link to post
good times 990 Posted January 14, 2010 I realize that single women are the rare-prizes in this lifestyle but it's starting to feel like... I dunno, a sense of entitlement (?) ...that's always rubbed me the wrong way whenever anyone starts with THAT b/s. I agree. I really have no problem with someone wanting to pay for the room, or whatever, when playing with a single woman, but it really rubs me the wrong way if the single woman expects the couple to pay. As far as I am concerned, if she requires them to pay, then she isn't a unicorn, she is a prostitute. Here in Reno, you can get a legal prostitute for as little as $100.00, and a nice room is included for free. I think times are changing, in our area at least, single women in the lifestyle are not really that rare any more. In fact, it is rare that their are not at least one or two there every time we go to the club. Quote Share this post Link to post
Malachista 170 Posted February 4, 2010 While I'm always willing to pay my part, I think that couples and guys who are willin to pay everything are also more generous in bed Quote Share this post Link to post
kellimc 215 Posted February 4, 2010 I haven't been to hotels with couples very many times, but when I have, they have always insisted on paying the entire cost of the room. Nobody has ever asked me to chip in. Maybe it's because they realize I'm a poor college student and took pity on me or they were just so grateful to be living the unicorn dream. I don't really know, but the issue of splitting costs has never come up. Quote Share this post Link to post
cocpl2007 170 Posted February 5, 2010 The unicorn will not be paying! She is unique, very special and worth being treated like she is. Quote Share this post Link to post