For all the support, I thank you guys, For all the Flamers heres an update. We are going back to the mountains in two weeks, yes with a hot tub, yes with the same couple who are now trading pics with us. Also my wife has been researching swinging online, purchased a group sex dvd on her own, and agreed to a double nipple tequila shot from me and my friend. We talk openly about the situation thats going to take place in the hot tub. I have not pressured her in any way since the last trip. Also after the argument I explained my side of Swinging to help her understand my feelings, so now we have conversations about the subject and she is interested. However she still has a moral dilemma, which is why she has been research christianity and swinging. She stated she will be in the hot tub totally nude with us, assuring we would each get a nipple full of salt, followed by a shot of tequila, and a bite of lime. Shes not committing to anything but that, and I will not push past that. The whole original argument was basicly denial of her own feelings and premise it was a way for me to sleep with other women, which at this moment Im in no rush to do. I just want her to enjoy herself.