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On occasion, I get to play a unicorn and I can't help but wonder if people really think I am cheating but don't care because I am a woman.

 

Curious how everyone views couples that play apart with permission...do you automatically suspect they are cheating? Are you more likely to doubt a man/husband or a woman/wife or is your opinion equal, gender not being a factor at all.

 

Do you play with hall pass people? Why or why not?

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If we didn't meet the spouse we just assume they are cheaters and move on. Safer that way.

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The unicorns we play with are from couples we know, so when one of them tells us they can play alone with permission, we believe them because we'll see their spouse at another event or party eventually. I do the same when I play a unicorn. I don't think cheating entered into the equation. It's more of a practical thing that these are the people we know and have played with. But if someone I don't know tell me she or he has hall pass, I certainly would be suspicious, regardless of gender.

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We don't seek out singles, so no real experience there, but if we were to meet a married single I think we would want to meet the other half. As far as hall passes for ourselves, we don't have anything specific setup. There have been were we venture out on our own to meet and greets due to the other not being available. Only once did my wife play after and that was with friends (couple) who gave her a ride (pun intended).

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Maybe we're crass.... But we're not the morality police. And in the end we see more issues with couples we meet than with with any of the singles or married with hall pass. It's not that difficult to ferret out the cheaters. What is difficult is to determine which couple is likely spring issues on everybody! We are way more suspicious of couples than we are of hall passers!

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Speaking as a married-but-solo guy myself, I think it makes sense to "hear it from the spouse" before doing anything more than a little flirting.

 

This can be hard to accomplish if you meet for the first time in a club, especially if the club has a "hookup" vibe -- if people go there hoping to play that very night.

 

I'm hoping that the local meet-and-greet that's coming up in a couple of weeks will be a better starting point for me.

 

I'm hoping that people there will be more ready to be patient. Because my wife will be happy to meet a few people face to face, for *mutual* reassurance.

 

She just won't want to meet a lot of people all at once, in a setting where she might get a lot of attention herself! Attention she tells me she does not want.

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When we first started hooking up with single guys, J would only see married guys if the wife had given permission. Pretty tough to do. We met one though. J and his wife chatted thru e-mail for awhile and she was cool with him meeting us. When we met him, we found that he was a guy we had worked with for the last 15 years. Anyway, we met at a motel once, had some fun. The next time we met, he asked us to bring our toy collection. We did, pretty standard stuff, dildos, vibrators and such. He shows up with a backpack FULL. He dumps it out on the bed and its all bondage stuff. I won't go into the activities that night but we never saw him again. After that we kind of figured if the wife is giving permission, there must be something wrong lol. Now we don't worry about it too much.

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. . . J and his wife chatted thru e-mail for awhile and she was cool with him meeting us.

 

Tell me if I am being too suspicious or something. But I strongly suspect that we of the English-speaking World have twisted the meaning of the word "chat". To me an e-mail exchange is not a chat. And an e-mail exchange provides no kind of evidence that a wife has given permission.

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Tell me if I am being too suspicious or something. But I strongly suspect that we of the English-speaking World have twisted the meaning of the word "chat". To me an e-mail exchange is not a chat. And an e-mail exchange provides no kind of evidence that a wife has given permission.
No, I don't think you are being too suspicious. E-mail (or IM) does not take the place of face to face.

 

A female friend of mine has told me that her ex used to use fake e-mail addresses -- and fake telephone numbers -- to con women into sexy photo sessions ... and sex sessions ... with the story that he had high paying clients who wanted to have photos and/or videos of sexy girls ... and sex. He had no client, of course. He was doing this all himself, for his own jollies.

 

The women would ask to talk with the client. When they e-mailed "the client", or phoned "him," they would be talking to him. Satisfied, they would then tell him "yes." And he would have a great time. Somehow, they never quite got paid the fees they thought they were going to get.

 

And so, when my friend and I discussed visiting a sex-vanilla nudist resort together last month, to split the resort's fees, she asked to see my wife face to face. That way, she could ask my wife herself whether I had been speaking the truth, when I had been telling her that my wife was "good with this."

 

I was happy to set that up. My wife was happy to meet her over a sandwich. When I joined them after I finished work, the two of them were having a great time, talking about all kinds of things. Big smiles, all around.

 

I wouldn't have it any other way.

 

Your mileage may vary of course, but I would suggest that this face-to-face contact should at least be on the table.

 

If the person with the hall pass can't do that, or says it's not necessary, or puts you off ... to me, that's a red flag.

 

And I'm the married-but-solo guy.

 

Just sayin'.

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Maybe we're crass.... But we're not the morality police.

 

Doesn't mesh with..

 

It's not that difficult to ferret out the cheaters.

 

So if you are not the morality police why do you ferret out cheaters? Its easy to ferret out cheaters online, but if you are in a club it would be far less easy.

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Doveryai, no proveryai or Trust but verify, an often used Russian proverb.

 

In my mind one of the most precarious situations you can find yourself in is sex with a cheater. There so many ways that things can go wrong it is not worth the risk. Getting dragged into court is bad, ending up at the wrong end of a gun with an extremely angry and jealous spouse is the epitome of REALLY BAD.

 

If someone we do not know tells us they have a hall pass I think, "Cool, you have read up on swinging terminology, now let's meet the spouse".

If someone we know tells us they have a hall pass while their spouse is not around I think, "Awesome, this should be easy to verify".

I am only truly comfortable with hall passes when we know someone fairly well, and we have discussed hall passes in the presence of their spouse and they have approved, and we are clear about the boundaries of the arrangement.

 

Prudence trumps lust, every time.

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In my mind one of the most precarious situations you can find yourself in is sex with a cheater. There so many ways that things can go wrong it is not worth the risk. Getting dragged into court is bad, ending up at the wrong end of a gun with an extremely angry and jealous spouse is the epitome of REALLY BAD.

 

This is the main thing. It isn't about being morality police. It's more about being CYA police. They can fuck their own life up all they want, as long as we aren't included in their shenanigans.

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This is the main thing. It isn't about being morality police. It's more about being CYA police. They can fuck their own life up all they want, as long as we aren't included in their shenanigans.

 

Well said.

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The point wasn't that we ferret out the cheaters: It is not the cheating it's usually something else that raises the red flag. Perhaps the way I should have put it is that usually the cheaters are eliminated on the basis of other bigger issues--- My other point was that in our experience we've ran into more couples with trouble than cheating hall passers.

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The point wasn't that we ferret out the cheaters: It is not the cheating it's usually something else that raises the red flag. Perhaps the way I should have put it is that usually the cheaters are eliminated on the basis of other bigger issues--- My other point was that in our experience we've ran into more couples with trouble than cheating hall passers.

 

I agree that you will find more couples with troubles than cheaters with hall passes, though I don't think that means couples are more likely to cause troubles, only that couples are more likely to make it past our first lines of defense.

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I agree that you will find more couples with troubles than cheaters with hall passes, though I don't think that means couples are more likely to cause troubles, only that couples are more likely to make it past our first lines of defense.

 

You are right--- but I would add that this is why it isn't primarily about cheaters. Jealousy/insecurity, isn't limited to those who have been cheated on. It's more about avoiding crazy. Also it's not as though individuals with hall passes are that common anyway.

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Tell me if I am being too suspicious or something. But I strongly suspect that we of the English-speaking World have twisted the meaning of the word "chat". To me an e-mail exchange is not a chat. And an e-mail exchange provides no kind of evidence that a wife has given permission.

 

J thought the same thing, that he may be posing as his wife, especially since the writing style was so similar. She called BS. We told the guy of our concerns and he gave us his number to call. She did actually talk to the wife on the phone for a few minutes, unless he had someone pose as her on the phone as well. Uncomfortable call but it made her feel better. This couple met in college and both had English degrees which we bought as a reason for the similar writing. Anyway, even if he did have someone pose as his wife, it was enough to make J feel OK about it which is the only important thing. If he needed to cheat that badly, oh well, it worked. Twice.

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You guys have shown me a new way of thinking on this subject as we too are about to end our swinging hiatus shortly and are about to encounter a playmate who has a hall pass. If the check in with his wife pans out, it will be an interesting experience for us. If not, we are all the more wiser for it and would effectively have dodged a bullet. Thanks again everyone. :-)

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Hi :)

 

Good subject :) If a couple give each other "hall passes" mightn't it be a good idea, if the man or woman claiming to have permission to play alone bring their other half to meet the couple they intend to play with alone? I don't see that there should be a problem with this. If your "hall pass" partner locks you out of meeting the people he or she is fucking, to me that is a HUGE RED FLAG...And should anyone find out their partner is fucking behind their back, even in an open/swinging relationship, that is simply cheating, open, swinging, or not. After all, it's part of looking out for each others' safety yes?

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Hi :)

 

Good subject :) If a couple give each other "hall passes" mightn't it be a good idea, if the man or woman claiming to have permission to play alone bring their other half to meet the couple they intend to play with alone? I don't see that there should be a problem with this. If your "hall pass" partner locks you out of meeting the people he or she is fucking, to me that is a HUGE RED FLAG...And should anyone find out their partner is fucking behind their back, even in an open/swinging relationship, that is simply cheating, open, swinging, or not. After all, it's part of looking out for each others' safety yes?

 

It certainly would be an ideal situation for all parties to meet in person to give the go ahead...for us, the hall pass only exists in limited situations. If on a girl's (or guy's)weekend, we both get one...if on business travel, we both get one. So, for us, the person has to take us at our word or if truly hesitant, call to get a voice verification. We also have it on our adult profiles in case that is where the "meeting point" is. Beyond that, I don't know how else to convey that we are, indeed, permitted a hall pass.

 

We do have some safety factors built in, for instance, we must call the other before the encounter and let them know our intentions and where we plan to be...and how long we anticipate the encounter to last. Then we call to check in afterwards so the other is aware that we are safe and unharmed. One of the things we have recently discussed is the use of adult ad sites exclusively (as opposed to say CL) so that at least if something happens, a screen name is a beginning point - the webmaster is likely to have some data on the member if they are a paid subscriber.

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I dislike the phrase 'Hall Pass', maybe because I don't fully understand it. We play separately so does that mean we have hall passes? We don't need each others permission, we have an agreement. But either one of us can freely bring up any concerns about it at any time. I'm not skeptical of people who play separately as its not my business to judge or speculate the agreements in others relationships. Any play is an agreement between the parties involved. If there is tension or drama though, we usually don't enter into it and are happy to not play.

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We primarily meet people at clubs or parties and we really don't care or even ask about the marital status of singles. Not our problem. If some pissed off spouse blames one of us because their SO is fucking around at a swinger club, then they can just be pissed. What are they gonna do? Come over to my house and create a scene? Threaten one of us? Go ahead, make my day.

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We primarily meet people at clubs or parties and we really don't care or even ask about the marital status of singles. Not our problem. If some pissed off spouse blames one of us because their SO is fucking around at a swinger club, then they can just be pissed. What are they gonna do? Come over to my house and create a scene? Threaten one of us? Go ahead, make my day.

 

Uhh, yeah they could do that and worse. People do crazy things like wait for you to get out of your car and shoot you. I am pretty darn good at defending myself, armed or not, but I am not looking for trouble. Not to mention, if a guy comes after me with a weapon because I screwed his wife without his permission/knowledge, and I get the upper hand I do not relish the idea of injuring or killing him over something that could have been avoided.

 

On the less dramatic side, I don't look forward to getting subpoenaed and having to testify in court that I was screwing his wife. Kind of defeats the whole idea of discretion and lack of drama.

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I dislike the phrase 'Hall Pass', maybe because I don't fully understand it. We play separately so does that mean we have hall passes? We don't need each others permission, we have an agreement. But either one of us can freely bring up any concerns about it at any time. I'm not skeptical of people who play separately as its not my business to judge or speculate the agreements in others relationships. Any play is an agreement between the parties involved. If there is tension or drama though, we usually don't enter into it and are happy to not play.

 

Hall pass, agreement, permission are only various ways to say the same thing. One can play alone and they spouse in a accordance with them doing so. The term Hall pass is simple a quick way of saying just that.

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I agree that you will find more couples with troubles than cheaters with hall passes, though I don't think that means couples are more likely to cause troubles, only that couples are more likely to make it past our first lines of defense.

 

Hmmm... I don't know about that. I know the best swinging we have had has been with couples. Sure every one has their problems. people that drink to much. Women who will swing just to keep a eye on their husband. The plain bat shit crazy couples. But for us, the sneaky husbands stepping out on their wives is the most interesting creature of the bunch. Sometimes the effort they put out to step out is just amazing. How do they tell their wife they are hunting drive 300 miles just to hook up for a night. We had a guy in the lifestyle that was stepping out on his wife. We met him a a party early on with his wife. Then he opened a fictitious profile on a local website. Tried to hook up with us (he forgot we played as a couple and the women hit it off). Needless to say my wife was not very happy. The effort he put into the charade was monumental. But hey we are not the morality police and do not have the energy to do a back ground check on the men. Nor do we play with many single men.. Every now and then wifey likes to have a mmf and I comply because she gives me ffm and the man we do it with has a hall pass... and we know his wife and play with them both.

 

In the end, we look for honesty, and yes sometimes we kiss a few turkeys... it is part of the game. Hell it's called swinging. Not perfecting.

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On the less dramatic side, I don't look forward to getting subpoenaed and having to testify in court that I was screwing his wife. Kind of defeats the whole idea of discretion and lack of drama.

 

Quoted for truth.

 

As a bonus, some states have "Alienation of affection" laws, which means not only does your single friend get divorced, you get sued for helping cause the divorce.

 

Good times man.

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Quoted for truth.

 

As a bonus, some states have "Alienation of affection" laws, which means not only does your single friend get divorced, you get sued for helping cause the divorce.

 

Good times man.

 

Are you serious? Wow.

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Hmmm... I don't know about that. I know the best swinging we have had has been with couples.

 

ALL of our best swinging experiences have been couples, as well as ALL of our worst drama. Mostly because we don't play with singles ;)

 

The idea I was hoping to relate, was for those who say couples are worse than singles, that is most likely true by pure numbers, because unless you are actively looking for only singles, odds are you will meet more couples and play with more couples, and have more drama from couples. This is not to say that singles are better, only that we have a bit of bias in the system. If we only played with singles, then all of our best and worst swinging experiences would be singles.

 

Are you serious? Wow.

 

Yep, I recall a few years ago a husband got $750,000 from a guy who his wife was having an affair with. One of the middle states, Tennessee I think.

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Yep, I recall a few years ago a husband got $750,000 from a guy who his wife was having an affair with. One of the middle states, Tennessee I think.

 

Holy smack! I wonder if some couples have made a scam out of this and set up an affair and divorce then split the money.

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Holy smack! I wonder if some couples have made a scam out of this and set up an affair and divorce then split the money.

 

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We prefer playing with couples. A hall pass in our opinion is just an excuse to cheat. No matter if it's a man or a woman. Now if we are all out together and we are all good friends, if the Mrs. can't play because of that time of month, then I may consider a threesome or if the guy can't play because of ED issues, then the Mr. may play with female half or we'll enjoy a FMF.

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Hall pass, agreement, permission are only various ways to say the same thing. One can play alone and they spouse in a accordance with them doing so. The term Hall pass is simple a quick way of saying just that.

 

I personally like the expression. Think back to high school. A hall pass is a temporary permission that contains certain restrictions and provisions. It does not include going, for example, outside of the high-school building. It's a very good analogy.

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There was a guy in Colorado... this is urban legend of course, he was a single guy that went to local swinger parties. He had a apartment that was where he lived alone. Turns out he was not a single man. He was secretly video taping his sexual encounters with married couples. Some how his wife found his video tapes and busted him. In a rage of spiteful revenge she was going to shame all all parties involved by posting up the video for all to see. I never was able to confirm this, but it made me think about protecting myself.

 

We had met a couple that was perfect for us, they said they were married, turns out just not to each other. There was another guy that pretended to be married to a woman that swings. They were both in on the lie; they are not married but like to swing and I guess they think they get more action pretending to be a couple. I don't know and really do not have the energy to try and figure it out.

 

I like what Chicup says (If you do not meet the spouse move on). That gets us pass the sniff test.

 

I truly believe people are honest. We just follow our hearts and hope for hard-ons when we play.

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I believe that it will be useful to give this discussion new visibility. So I'm boosting it to the top of the list.

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Well we have never played with anybody who was married and either tells us they are cheating or we think they are.

 

I must admit though it really is more common than we expected. Married people that are not married to each other, people at the clubs with ex's and not their spouse, people who's spouses just don't want to have sex, we have heard a LOT of bizarre tales. We don't judge, everybody has to live their life. I will say this as well. There are a lot of women doing going behind their husbands back, more than I thought initially.

 

So yeah we typically hear about a husband/wife we want to meet them to make sure they have a 'hall pass'.

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I thought about it a lot of meeting a couple that we both can be comfortable with and let her play with the couple it's a big turn on for me to see her or just the thought of it getting pleasured by a couple but of course Iwe both have to be completely in understanding with the other couple that I am fine for my wife to play with them alone

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As a single woman I am extremely suspicious. Most of the couple contacts I received ended up being the male half telling me he had a hall pass. I took couples off my interest and will only play situationally at parties.

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I've met many couples in house parties or for swaps where the hubby and I became friends. Some of those couples tried hall passes. In each and every case, when I heard or the hubby told me himself that occasionally his wife would go on solo dates, each time I told him that I thought it was a huge mistake.

Thanks to social media I'm still in touch with most of these couples, but I need twice as many cards for Christmas.

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We had a very nice time with a couple we met and made plans to see them again. Their sitter flaked-out that night so only one of them could play. They gave us the choice of him or her. We had an equally fun time as a threesome. We now have plans to see them both again. Perfect example of an all out in the open 'hall pass'. Now, if only one can play, who to choose???

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We both have hall passes, though we encourage our potential play dates to Kik us both even meet n greet.We have came across a few that have said spouse/partner knows about the other playing alone but in reality they didn't.

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On occasion, I get to play a unicorn and I can't help but wonder if people really think I am cheating but don't care because I am a woman.

 

Curious how everyone views couples that play apart with permission...do you automatically suspect they are cheating? Are you more likely to doubt a man/husband or a woman/wife or is your opinion equal, gender not being a factor at all.

 

Do you play with hall pass people? Why or why not?

 

Guys like me are much more rare than unicorns, or it seems that way. I've heard other guys that have a pass say (or seen them write, more accurately) than no one believes them. I think that's probably right but as the comedian , Jerry Clowers said in a funny story he used to tell where God was talking to Noah "a great many is called but damned few is chosen" given the subject matter he might have been a preacher too.

 

Probably not much of a segue but I tell our history a bit and point out they are welcome to talk to my wife (LOL, "I have a note from my wife, so gimme sum!") and some have accepted it at that or perhaps didn't care. I can say, which is almost always part of my explanation, that my wife and I are very confident in our commitment to each other. She has played alone as well . There have been various reasons, probably the main one was there have been times one of us wasn't available and another was I've told her in the past not to pass up an opportunity if she were truly interested and it was safe.

 

We are unusual in that we have fewer limits than most couples as we rarely run into another couple that doesn't have something they aren't comfortable with like kissing or is OK with some separate room activity for awhile. I don't want to make anyone think we're judgemental as we're not, but those kinds of limits are spawned by insecurity either of one's self or one's partner and just because we're OK with some things doesn't mean we are dismissing that. It's just that we are usually he ones respecting the other couple's limits as our comfort level is different. There have been times in the past we've been a little worried but we have a different history, most of our involvement was driven by me early on. I suppose it's possible I might have gotten married to a girl that wasn't as sexual and certainly not as open-minded but had told myself I wouldn't get in that situation.

That being said I had little indication my wife was fitting in that way when I asked her out. We did fuck on the first date which I'm sure will confuse a lot of those reading but I'm accepting that it was indeed, her second time. Although I probably would have asked her out again anyway when she remarked "Ill probably never see you again" her tone was that of someone who had probably mot had the first with someone who was being mindful of her feelings. I knew than there was no way I could not asked her out again and I'm conflicted as to whether if on a chance I were to meet the guy I should punch him or thank him for being a worthless SOB.

I preferred girls that had experience and turned down a couple of girls that would have gone though with tings but I knew they were virgins and I wouldn't do that under false pretenses. At that age you know it's probably not going to be "forever" and hey usually had pretty strong feelings about their first ime, although I've been told that isn't always the case I think most of the time it was.

Believe it or not part of that stemmed from the fact that one girl that ws a virgin and had fucked me ended up breaking my heart so I wasn't going to add that to someone's list of hurts. That being said she evidently wasn't thinking in terms of "true love" regarding her first time and it was only my second and I was actually nuts about her. (BTW, my first was extremely experienced and wild as hell for a girl of any age, LOL)

 

But that turned out to be the best first date of my life, the sex was not that great unless you consider laying down in a red ant bed fun, LOL (Oh to be young and stupid again) We've been married for more years than some of you are old and we started swinging before we were married. However our security doesn't come from how long we've been together as we've both had privileges from early on and yes, we've had some rough patches like everyone else. Time has certainly helped though.

 

But You'll stand a better chance of borrowing my wife that you will my car(s). I know she'll find her way home and if she has a couple of dents or scratches I'll know she had a good time...

 

you might think I'm BSing you but it just occurred to me that I've never even once loaned anyone my car from the first one until this day. At first itn was my mother drumming it into me about insurance issues and stuff and later I saw too many people do that and have their car destroyed.

 

Second part of the question is, yeas we do play with guys claiming a pass but we might be a little more trusting due to experience. She used to make a point aof saying shew wouldn't have anything to do with a guy cheating and doesn't mention that as much but it's not a change of policy but rather a recognition that there's not much way to tell sometimes unless of course you know them , Seeing ads where this is mentioned it seems there's a female counterpart to the "bro code" and maybe even more honesty involved, LOL

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There was a guy in Colorado... this is urban legend of course, he was a single guy that went to local swinger parties. He had a apartment that was where he lived alone. Turns out he was not a single man. He was secretly video taping his sexual encounters with married couples. Some how his wife found his video tapes and busted him. In a rage of spiteful revenge she was going to shame all all parties involved by posting up the video for all to see. I never was able to confirm this, but it made me think about protecting myself.

 

We had met a couple that was perfect for us, they said they were married, turns out just not to each other. There was another guy that pretended to be married to a woman that swings. They were both in on the lie; they are not married but like to swing and I guess they think they get more action pretending to be a couple. I don't know and really do not have the energy to try and figure it out.

 

I like what Chicup says (If you do not meet the spouse move on). That gets us pass the sniff test.

 

I truly believe people are honest. We just follow our hearts and hope for hard-ons when we play.

 

There are people out to expose others for all sorts of motives so it doesn't seem to be a stretch to think a vindictive spouse would be temped with the means handed to her on a platter. No doubt just as many men would have thoughts as well, but they'de probably want copies to keep, LOL

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So I started out playing the hotwife at my husband's request, I think most guys think I am cheating but don't care, unless I have them take pictures of us in the act and send them to him right in front of them.  I am bisexual and travel for work a lot and I get asked if I really have permission a lot.  I generally ask if it matters, and it honestly never does.  Guys are a honey breed lol.  

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      Claire told me about the parties they went to before moving here. They were soft swapping parties with college friends. Then they would have sex with their partner. When she and Pete moved here in April and Lesley suggested swinging they quickly liked the idea. Claire said she had fun with me in July and our threesome with Melissa was sort of  OK. She now wanted to catch up where we left off.
       
      She put on her negligée. She said look no patch, I take the pill now.   I stripped down to  my T-shirt and shorts.
       
      We began slow foreplay, her nipples were already quite hard as was my cock. "Let’s see how long we can holdout before you fuck me," she said. We played for almost one hour. We did some 69, lots of nipple kissing and body massaging.
       
      After two hours we finally said let’s go for it. Claire’s pussy  was extra moist. My cock slipped in all the way without any effort. "Hold to it there and don’t move while I count to one hundred," said Claire.
       
      At 99 she started making small movements that felt like a sensation of small electric shocks going across the end of my cock. We then changed to Claire riding on top. Perfectly  gauged strokes that hit her where she got the best sensation.
       
      After a while we moved to laying on our sides with me entering her pussy from behind and squeezing her  breasts. This is how we had our first orgasm, with Claire screaming as I filled her with warm cum.
       
      We laid for about half an hour before we had our second orgasm with Claire’s vagina oozing warm cum. Claire said that Amy would want all  the details in the  morning.  She said that she would tell the same story to  Amy and Pete. 

         

       
          

       

       
        
              
       
         
    • By Sudhit
      One of my friends was mentioning that his wife got invited for a vacation with one of their regular playmates. It would be a 4 day vacation, where only the wife goes with the BF, hubby stays back.
       
      Has anyone any experience of this scenario, they are swinger and cuckold couple.
    • By StartingOver60
      My wife and I went to a Lifestyle get-together last weekend.  When we got there, we mingled and as it turned out, my wife meet a couple.  She was sitting next to them having drinks, laughing, and having a good time.  I walked over she introduced me.  I sat next to his wife, and we were all enjoying the evening.   
       
      The other wife and I got up to get some drinks and we chatted at the bar.  "It looks like my wife has taking a liking to your husband," I said.  "Yes, they both are," she replied.  I asked, "Do you think you guys would like to come over to our house and we could continue the party there?"  She politely made it very clear she was not interested in having sex tonight.  I said, "OK, thanks for the heads up."
       
      As we sat there at the bar a friend come over to say hello.  She got up excused herself and returned to the table with her husband and my wife.  
       
      As the evening progressed my wife came over to me at the bar and told me she invited them to come home with us.  I was a bit confused but said sure.   We all left together, my wife in his car, and his wife in my car.  Our conversation during the drive was very nice and easy, and I thought she had changed her mind.  In the club, I could see my wife was very excited to be with her new friend.  
       
      We got to our house and sat around and had some drinks. All seemed to be good. However, when we decide to go upstairs, his wife restated she was not interested in playing tonight. My wife and I left them in the room to talk, and when we came back, he apologized and said sharing tonight is not going to happen.  I felt bad for my wife who was starry eyed at this guy.  He was telling her she looked like a women who was beautiful and fun, and he was very much looking forward to being with her tonight but maybe some other time. 
       
      My wife and I went in the kitchen to get some drinks for everyone, and I explained to her that the other wife had told me she was not interested in the bar.  "I thought she changed her mind, but I guess not," I explained. "I see you want this guy.  I don’t want you to be disappointed, I see and feel the attraction you two have.  When we go back into the room why don’t you ask him if he wants to see the view from our bedroom? That is our usual break the ice move to get things started.  I think this was his game plan all along to be with you even though she was not participating.  But I’m OK with it for your pleasure."
       
      I saw how hot she was for him. So I thought to myself don’t screw this up for her, she should get to enjoy the moment. 
       
      He jumped at the request, and they were off.  I sat with his wife and said, "Are you ok with them going upstairs because I don’t think they care about the view?".  She did not say anything but also did not object to what was going to happen. 
       
      As it goes, my wife had a great experience, so they were up there for an hour. I am sure they enjoyed each other.  When they came down my wife gave me a sweet kiss. We sat for a while then all politely said goodbye.
       
      The next weekend we went to a party at our friends' house. It was a vanilla evening but a number of friends were there.  We had played with the host couple once before, but tonight was not that type of party. 
       
      The next morning my wife realized she left her purse at Tim and Jean's house.  She asked me to go and pick it up.  I said I would on the way back from my bike ride.  On the way back I detoured and stopped at the house.  Jean answered the door and asked me in.  She asked if I would like a cup of coffee, I said sure.  I asked where Tim was, and she said he had left early this morning for an overnight ski trip with some of his buddies. 
       
      We were in the kitchen and Jean was filling the coffee cups. I was looking at her in her robe as she delivered the hot coffee.  We sipped the coffee and chatted but my thoughts while looking at this beautiful woman, came out of my mouth, “Are you wearing anything under that robe?”  She smiled and got up and brought her cup to the sink.  She walked back to the table where I was sitting and said, "You will have to find out for yourself."  I was stunned thinking she was kidding.  She said again,  "All it takes to find out is to pull the robe's belt and open the robe."
       
      She stood in front of me as I sat in the chair. I pulled the robe belt and opened slowly opened the robe.  She was naked and moved her chair in front of me and opened the robe and leaned forward and kissed me deep.  She moved my head down into her crotch and I got on my knees and went at it not believing what was happening.  She was enjoying the moment, she moaned she was coming and squeezed her legs around my head. 
       
      When she released my head from the grasp of her legs she took my hand and brought me into her bedroom.  She sat on the bed as I undressed. I rubbed her legs gently and picked them up high and spread them apart, she fell back, and I penetrated that wet beautiful tasting pussy. 
       
      I pounded her over and over and when I stopped I got on the bed.  I laid on my back and she put my hard cock in her mouth and started sucking me and would not stop until I came, and she told me how good I taste.  We laid there for a few minutes not speaking and I was ready again and I turned her on her side and lifted one leg over my shoulder and began pounding her again.  We went on for awhile and she had another orgasm and told me to cum inside her.  She got on top and pounded me and made me explode inside her. 
       
      We laid there together for a while, eyes closed resting, when her phone rang.  It was Tim, he made it to the mountains and just checking in.  I was feeling bad for what just happened, but it was a great experience.  She repeated out loud what Tim asked - "What are you doing?" Jean replied - "Well, Allan stopped over to pick up Susan’s purse she left over here last night.  I invited him in and we had a cup of coffee.  I was in my robe and one thing led to another and I had Allan’s face in my crotch. Then we took it to the bedroom, and we had a giant orgasmic experience.  I will tell you all about it when you get home.  Are you OK with this?  Good, I will tell Allan.  Have fun skiing.”
       
      So, in discussing this with Jane I said I was shocked at what she just told Tim.  She said, “We are always honest with each other.  It will be so hot when he returns home, I will be in for another great time.  So, I am also going to be honest with you.  You wife left the purse here on purpose.  She asked me if I would give you some great sex because you were a sweetheart last weekend.  You worked it out so she could be with the gentleman she picked up at the club and she felt that you missed out, so she came up with this idea.  But please understand, I was looking forward to it and it was a fantastic morning fuck with a good friend.  Tim was not aware of this, but I will work it out with him when I explain the story.  Susan said she the four of us can get together, or she will get with Tim alone if he prefers and you are OK with it.  You have a great caring wife Allan.  Please tell her thanks for including me in this scheme.”
    • By Maturecouple1122
      When my wife and I first started in the lifestyle, we had some hard rules.  One of which was no solo playing.  Six months and three BBC adventures later, she decided that the “no solo” play rule was nonsense and asked, more like begged, to be able to play alone five miles away. She was off for summer break.  Since I was working 30 miles away and she was home alone all day, I relented.
       
      About a week later, I came home from work and she was waiting for me in stilettos and a flowing summer dress sans underwear.  The dress was a halter type with a slit all the way past her thigh.  She also had the tell-tale twinkle in her eye that she usually gets after she climaxes.  Since she usually wears jeans and t-shirts during the day, I knew something was up.  She had a cocktail already made for me and an appetizer tray.  I was impressed.
       
      She led me to the living room sofa and when she sat down, her dress fell open and I could clearly see her bare pussy and one of her nipples.  Now I knew something great was about to happen.  I asked her how her day went and what was the reason for the seduction.  She then said, “I had a great day!”  Then she proceeded to tell me in detail what happened.
       
      Her BBC friend DJ came by on his tri-wheeled motorcycle to take her for a ride.  She was wearing a very short maroon skirt with a yellow sheer top.  She had a g-string but no bra.  She was not expecting a motorcycle ride.  He handed her a helmet and off they went.  Since she was in a short skirt, her pussy rubbed directly on the seat as they cruised.  The g-string enhanced he friction from the motorcycle vibration on the seat.  She nearly came from the ride itself.   After they returned to the house, she invited DJ in for some refreshments.
       
      Refreshments were quickly consumed and she led him to the bedroom where he helped her remove blouse and skirt.   As she dropped her g-string, her pussy stains were quite evident.  
      My wife is usually not very submissive. But for some reason, she enjoys when DJ dominates her and she tries things with him she never lets me or anybody else do.
       
      DJ is a former football player with a very muscular physique.  His cock is rather short for a black man, only about 5.5 inches long.  The girth of his cock however is unbelievable.  When he is flaccid, the circumference of his cock is close to the size of a Red Bull drink can.  When he is erect, he is almost as round as a beer can.  Since he is so wide, he easily hits her g-spot on every thrust which makes her cum in great quantities.  After he finished cumming in her pussy, they took a short rest to recover and replenish fluids.  As they were laying in each other’s arms, he made my wife get into a kneeling position and open her mouth.  He then grabbed her head and started to push his cock into her mouth which was no easy feat given his size. Unbelievable to her, she actually took most of his cock in her mouth and sucked him until he came down her throat.  Something she refuse to let me do.
       
      Next, he made her lay on her stomach with a pillow under her waist.  He then proceeded to flog her ass, thighs, and cunt lips with a leather flog.  She always said she didn’t care for BDSM activities but here she was, laying on her stomach with a cum load in her pussy, one in her belly, getting her genitals flogged by a stranger.  The more he flogged her cunt, the more she squirmed and moaned until she actually orgasmed.   
       
      She then felt cool coconut oil being rubbed on and in her sphincter.  She told me him was too big but he didn’t listen.  He then grabbed her by the hips and pushed his beer can cock into her ass.   After an initial painful gasp, she finally became accustomed to his cock in her ass and actually started fucking him.  When she grants me the rare opportunity to fuck her ass, she begs me to go fast so I cum quickly and finish.  Given DJ had already cum twice, there was no rushing him.  He pounded her ass for at 10 or more minutes until he came the third time.
       
      As she lay exhausted, DJ dressed and kissed her goodbye.  I came home about an hour later.
       
      As she related her experiences that day she noticed I was visibly aroused and decided it was my turn to have fun.  We went into the bedroom and I started to licking her all over.  While the shower she took after DJ left cleaned out her pussy, it didn't quite get all of his cum out of her ass.  I tasted another man’s cum for the first time in my life.  For some reason, she now enjoys an occasional flogging and ass fucking from me.                         
    • By a. synonymy
      Let me first apologize in advance if this (or something similar) has been covered and discussed extensively already. I'm sure my situation is not entirely new or original, but it is for me, so I'm throwing it out there. If you've got any experience or advice you'd like to drop my/our way, by all means, please do so. I also apologize for the length but the reality is that this deal has some history to it that I think is relevant.
       
      My wife (25) and I (27) have been married for five years, we have a son that just turned two. For several years, we've talked in foreplay about having other partners - but it was just talk for a very long time and nothing more. After the baby was born our sexuality dwindled considerably and until last summer, it seemed like it was going to evaporate into nothing. Well, at some point over the summer we both started seriously (and excitedly) considering the idea of swinging and perused some of the sites regarding it. We put a discreet profile out there, met a couple and after careful consideration, we had them over for dinner and whatever might come. To start off the night, we began fooling around with our own wives but no one ever 'made the move' and it ended up being a nervous and awkward event. They courteously left the next day and nothing happened.
       
      We continued to talk to the couple and decided to reschedule another night, but eventually we started getting cold feet about it and just decided to put the site and our vague and fledgling relationship with them behind us. So we did, but with some strange side effects remained lingering. My feelings about her with another guy are in somewhat flux, but for the most part, if it's the right guy/situation, I'm confident I could deal with it - considering seeing her with another man, as for many guys, is a huge turn on. For me, it's even a bigger turn on than getting it off with another woman. But my feelings are sporadic in this regard, so I can't say for certain how I feel. She, on the other hand, doesn't necessarily want to be with another man anymore. What she does want, from both a sexual and emotional angle, is that I explore having a relationship with another woman, but not strictly sexual. She wants me to have a real girlfriend on the side.
       
      Now I trust my wife on this. She's fully aware of this site and my posting here, as she'll no doubt read it upon me showing it to her (she may even participate). That being said, I want it to be known that she's not looking to split up our relationship or cover for something she's doing on the side. She's genuinely enjoyed talking about the idea, as far as I can tell, of me doing sexual things and emotional things (dating, caring for, commitment) with another woman.
       
      For the average married guy, I suppose this is an easy situation - you get to have sex outside of your marriage at your wife's consent, what could be better than that? And trust me, I see the advantages to it. That being said, I have some serious concerns...
       
      My major concern is who the hell would want something like that? How do I approach it with someone? We've done some extensive research on polyamory and swinging, so we're both comfortable with me having another girl who I have a relationship with, but I just don't even know where to begin to look for such a thing. How do you even breach that subject with someone I like without looking like I'm trying to find a clever way to cheat on your wife? I find people are usually on two sides of the bed with regard to having an emotional/sexual relationship outside of the marriage. Either they want to do it behind their spouse's back and are cheating -or- they simply want to experience the openness of sex outside their marriage like the average swinger. I'm somewhere in between the two and I'm not really familiar with how to handle that at all. To complicate things, we're close to my extended family and they are very religious - if something like this were to happen, it would have to be somewhat discrete? Is a relationship like that possible and enjoyable? Would another person ever consider something of that nature?
       
      Anyways, I've written a lot and I don't want to present an 'epic ton' of nonsense here. I've read this site from time to time and I figured it was a good place to find open and honest people to bring something like this up and get some good advice. Let me know how you would go about looking for another partner like this? How you would present the situation (I'm married but my wife wants me to have a girl friend) to someone? How would you maintain a relationship like this? What are the pitfalls? What should I look out for?
       

       
      Feel free to ask me any questions that might fill in the gaps. Thanks in advance for any responses...
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