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I played solo with her husband; Do I owe her an apology?

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Here is the background that leads up to our question, Saturday night we were out our favorite club, we had gone for one of the couples who we have expressed interest in and they us wife's birthday party night at the club.

 

Everything went fine the whole night and since we knew that we weren't the only ones who had come to help celebrate the wife's birthday we were not too worried about the fact they played with another couple that night.

 

After they had played with the other couple another couple was wanting to have some fun with them as well, the wife however kept turning this other couple down due to the fact that the husband of the couple they had just played with is rather endowed much like I am finding my husband to be ( I used to be one of those girls who thought all guys were the same size, little did I know until we started swinging they come in different size and that I had got the pick of the litter with my husband).

 

The husband of the birthday girl was wanting to play with me and I him and had made it quite clear all night that he did as had my husband with her, she however was not interested in playing at that point due to how sore she was from the prior play session and despite my husband having told her he would love to take her back to a room as well she turned him down as well due to feeling sore. Since my husband was enjoying the company of several other ladies at that time when the husband asked me if I wanted to go to a room with him I asked my husband who said he was okay with it so long as she was, so the husband and I went over to ask her and she gave her okay too.

 

Now while him and I were in the room playing the girls he had been having a good time with had to leave and it was at this time where things I guess got a little interesting out in the dance hall area. According to Mr. Allnight the wife expressed surprise that her husband choose that night of all nights to go play on his own for his first time (which had I been aware that was the case I would not have accompianed him to the room), at this point my husband was thinking about going to the room we were in and telling us party over and my husband as well as one of her friends had even asked the wife if she want my husband or one of them to go tell the husband and I to stop to which she said no that we were fine. So everybody of her friends and my husband all sat back down and just talked with her until we came out.

 

I had a good time with the husband but again found myself with another guy that was not even remotely close to my husband size but he did know how to use his fingers quite well. My husband bottoms out even without trying to on me and her husband came no where close to that with me so his wife would have been in quite some pain had her and my husband played.

 

Now to the questions about the situation:

 

Hindsight is 20/20 and I realize now I should have not gone and played with the husband seperately and my husband thinking about it now wishes he would have said not tonight in regards to me playing with the husband since the wife was not interested in playing that night and it was her birthday.

 

In this situation would this have been the action that you would have taken?

 

Should my husband had just told her no sex but he would go for oral fun with her since she was turning him and others down for the other side of things?

 

Like I said I am feeling guilty now that her husband and I may have kind of ruined her birthday night as is my husband by the fact he permitted me to go play with the husband and did not come tell us to stop even though he was kind of feeling like he should have once she expressed what she did to her friends and him. So should my husband and I just kind of give the couple some space the next time we see them or should I take her aside the next time we see them and aplogize to her?

 

My husband is of the opinion that he should apologize to her as well for not going ahead and telling us to stop and for giving me permisson in the first place since it was her birthday night?

 

Sorry for being longwinded but it is kind of a complex situation to explain. Any advice or insight for how we could have handle the night differently and how to handle things going forward with this couple or a situation like this again would be appreciated.

 

Mrs. Allnightfuncpl

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If she is upset it is her fault for not telling her husband that she did not want him playing solo on her birthday. I wouldn't apologize to her for anything; you asked her permissions, you asked your husbands permission, your husband asked her if she wanted him to go stop you, he hung out with her....

 

If she has a problem with it then she should have been proactive about it rather than letting things happen.

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You and the husband of the other couple asked the birthday girl's permission, and she gave it. Your husband gave permission also. No one was coerced. That's really the end of it.

 

If the birthday girl didn't want her husband to play solo on her birthday, she should have said so when he asked for her permission. If someone is going to give permission, they should be sure about it and be responsible for it, not pull that "but I really didn't want to" stuff afterward. It's really between her and her husband.

 

If she was uncomfortable saying no with you right there, then she should have asked to talk to her husband alone. And her husband ought to know her well enough to know when she might agree to something she didn't really want, and make sure she was really okay with it. It looks to me like you and your husband did everything reasonable to respect their boundaries, without over-acting. She even demurred when your husband said something about interrupting you.

 

I am a little confused as to what penis size has to do with this question. Is it relevant?

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Why question is, has the other woman actually expressed displeasure with you? If not, why are you getting so worked up?

 

The fact was your hubby had no problem with you going off to play alone, as long as the other wife was ok with it. She gave her permission and off you went. Sure, she might have been a little caught up in the moment and said ok and not have really been ok with it. But unless there has been some indication from her that was the case, why are you getting yourselves so distressed by the situation?

 

She may have expressed suprise at him going off to play by himself alone for the first time that night...but she gave permission for him to do so. If she wasn't comfortable with him doing so, she should have told him no that all four of you could play again another night. Are they a fairly new couple? I can totally understand not wanting to cause a scene when everyone is having a fun night...but there is a way to convey things without it being a scene.

 

You did nothing wrong per se (permission was given on both sides)...but if you feel the need to apologize for potentially having stepped on toes, then by all means send a message saying what a great time you had meeting them and playing that night (accentuate the positives)...but apologize if there were any boundaries that were crossed and reiterate that you hope to see them again at the club/wherever to play.

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I am a little confused as to what penis size has to do with this question. Is it relevant?

 

It is only marginally revalant in that she was not interested in playing with my husband or any of the other couples that asked after they went and played with the couple where the husband is endowed like Mr. Allnight is. She had told my husband and the husband of the other couple that had expressed interest in playing with her that night that she felt like her cervix had been pushed/pounded up into her stomach area and was way too sore in there to feel like playing. Outside of that it really had nothing to do with the situation per se other than it affected her decision to not play with my husband.

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It is only marginally revalant in that she was not interested in playing with my husband or any of the other couples that asked after they went and played with the couple where the husband is endowed like Mr. Allnight is. She had told my husband and the husband of the other couple that had expressed interest in playing with her that night that she felt like her cervix had been pushed/pounded up into her stomach area and was way too sore in there to feel like playing. Outside of that it really had nothing to do with the situation per se other than it affected her decision to not play with my husband.

 

So she didn't feel like playing, is really the important detail. I see. FYI, my husband doesn't bottom out either, but he leaves me sore sometimes.

 

One thing to consider is that even if you are not at fault (which you're not), sometimes it is best to apologize anyway. I found myself in this situation last year. The guy told me he had permission from his girlfriend. I didn't verify it with her directly, because I felt I should be able to trust the two of them to have communicated. When he and I started kissing, she blew up and stomped off. I stopped what we were doing and said he should go after her. Turns out the two of them had talked, but he had heard what he wanted to hear. In any case, I apologized, even though it really wasn't my fault, and she knew it. I figured I was taking the high road. We were all stuck together for a while and it helped smooth things over.

 

Just another point of view. Depending on your situation and the personalities involved, you may think it's a good idea... or not, especially if the lady will think it means you're admitting fault.

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Why question is, has the other woman actually expressed displeasure with you? If not, why are you getting so worked up?

 

But unless there has been some indication from her that was the case, why are you getting yourselves so distressed by the situation?

 

Are they a fairly new couple?

 

No she has not expressed anything to me or my husband. Not really getting worked up but I don't want to be offending anybody or causing problems for a couple, I am extremely sensitive to that sort of thing because of what happened with my husband and I with the second couple we met back right after we got involved in swinging caused some problems for us though the situation was completely different than this one [The problems were largely because I wasn't totally ready for the experience even though I though I was and had told my husband I though I was] and yes we did take a break for a few months to work on talking through all the things that came to light that night with the 2nd couple right after we got involved in swinging.

 

They are a fairly new to the site we met them on but have been in the LS longer than they have been on that site. (They just said a while when we asked how long back when we first met them.) They are one of the few young couples (24 and 25) we have met that we both click with and that doesn't live like 5 hours away from us. No problem with playing with those older than us either as we do that on a fairly regular basis so please don't take it that way by us saying that.

 

Thank you for all the response so far.

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One more to the consensus.

 

You and Other Hubby wanted to play.

Your hubby said yes.

Other Hubbies wife said yes.

You said yes.

Other Hubby said yes.

 

Sounds like mutual consent all the way around, how were you supposed to know that any drama would ensue? So do you owe her an apology? Not by my counting.

 

Now should you give her an apology? That all depends on the personalities involved. If you want to retain a friendship with this couple you might want to pull her aside at some point and see if her feelings were hurt on her birthday. If they were, then go ahead and apologize for your part in the scenario. Odds are she doesn’t hold any grudge against you personally (after all, you aren’t a responsible party to their dynamic), but she may have some negative feelings associated with you that a short talk and a little apology could soothe.

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Agree with just about everything that's been said. You did it right. You had permission to go play with her husband from her, from your husband, and of course from her husband. Consent was verified all the way around. You went back to a room and had sex with her husband.

 

While you were having sex with her husband, things began to arise that you had no information about. You had no way of knowing. You were busy playing with her husband in a closed room.

 

You are not at fault in any respect.

 

Is her husband? I don't think if I was in his shoes I would have chosen my wife's birthday night to be the first night I ever would have played solo. That seems a bit callous, but we don't know their relationship dynamic and that might have been fine. I don't want to judge him on really limited information.

 

Is your husband at fault? If I detected that her husband was, after my wife had retreated to the room with her husband, having a bit of difficulty with the situation, I definitely would have given it some serious weight. It was good she was asked if she wanted her husband to come back out. Still, even though she said no, it was ok, I still would have considered going to get you and he from the room. But, it's a grey, iffy area. I don't think your husband did anything wrong per se.

 

Did she do something wrong? She might not have evaluated her emotions very well, but it can be a hard thing to do. It was the first time her husband was having sex with someone while she wasn't there. That could throw anybody for a loop. She might not have wanted to cause a fuss, and argued within herself about it. That's unfortunate if that was the case, and if so she probably made an error. But, she might not have. She might have been ok with it, just a bit concerned.

 

It is possible that everyone can do nothing wrong and there still be a problem. If it were us, whether we expected we would ever play with that couple again, I think we'd make a point of discussing it with the other couple to clear the air and make sure that the issue is settled amicably. I know if I was her husband, I would value that greatly and be all the more interested in having sex with you again because I would view you in an even better light.

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I don't think you owe her an apology. You did what was agreed to by everyone.

 

It might, however, be an opportunity to improve your friendship with her. I'd suggest taking an opportunity when she is alone and asking if the situation made her uncomfortable because it was her birthday. Just let her know you have been worried that she might have been hurt by it.

 

Mr. Alura

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Reading through this again and all the replies I am getting the feeling that perhaps this girl liked the attention from the whole situation. She played the victim without even really trying (too sore, can't play, my birthday, husband went off and I am 'ok' with it.....). She had all kinds of people sitting around giving her attention while her husband was off with you. Not enough information to really know if that is the case, but it crossed my mind and would be something I considered if I was in that situation. I try to avoid people like that when possible, but when you aren't going to avoid them it's helpful to understand their underlying (and often subconscious) motives for things.

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Reading through this again and all the replies I am getting the feeling that perhaps this girl liked the attention from the whole situation. She played the victim without even really trying (too sore, can't play, my birthday, husband went off and I am 'ok' with it.....). She had all kinds of people sitting around giving her attention while her husband was off with you. Not enough information to really know if that is the case, but it crossed my mind and would be something I considered if I was in that situation. I try to avoid people like that when possible, but when you aren't going to avoid them it's helpful to understand their underlying (and often subconscious) motives for things.

 

Interesting thoughts, Slevin. I had a similar thought. If I had enjoyed playing with someone who made me sore, birthday or not, I just don't see myself walking around letting people know how sore I was because he was just so huge! But then again if we had already played that evening and wanted to play again I wouldn't be announcing the fact that we had already played.

 

It does seem to me, again, from the outside looking in, that she enjoys being the center of attention and finds ways to stay in the spotlight.

 

The Fuse did have some good advice on whether or not to apologize, and I do believe that's completely up to you. But remember that sometimes an apology is to clear your own conscience, but isn't necessary for the other party. If you feel you have to, then do so. But if it's to relieve your feelings of guilt (which I don't think personally you are guilty of anything!), then think twice about it.

 

Mrs. NC

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Let's get this where I can understand it. Both your husband and the birthday girls' husband are very heavily hung to the point that you both get sore from intercourse in one shot, and you consider this to be a reason that you both "got the pick of the litter"?

I guess this makes my little pecker be the booby prize, in spite of my lady being able to go three time a night with me on occasion, without getting sore.

:lol:

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Let's get this where I can understand it. Both your husband and the birthday girls' husband are very heavily hung to the point that you both get sore from intercourse in one shot, and you consider this to be a reason that you both "got the pick of the litter"?

I guess this makes my little pecker be the booby prize, in spite of my lady being able to go three time a night with me on occasion, without getting sore.

:lol:

 

Actually you misunderstood it'sso, my husband (Mr. Allnight) is the one who is the pick of the litter who is larger in size, her (the birthday girls) husband is much smaller in both length and girth coompared to my husband.

 

My husband and I (and other playmates that we have found of similar size)can go all night long. He just makes sure to put myself or the other girls in positions where it is easier to limit how deep he can go if that is the intentions of playing all night long or multiple times in a night. (This is one of my husband's and my favorite things to do- going all night long that is.)

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allnightfuncpl, you two sound like a fun couple. Since swinging is about having sex between honest consenting adults, and you had every consent bucket filled to the top - no problem!

 

Keep it simple! Don't over think this or try to be a mind reader! Everyone wants to be a mind reader now days! Don't go there, "just the facts mam."

 

Yes means Yes! No means No! If "Yes" starts meaning "No", how far are we from "No" meaning "Yes"??? Kiss swinging goodbye if that happens, and say hello to drama and worse. That confusion just makes things way too complicated, as you have just found out!

 

My guess is that for that couple, what happened is no big deal. She really was sore. She was just making an ironic comment. But who knows-only them-if it really was a big deal to them, then you have to ask yourself if you really want to play with someone that does not have the basics of "Yes" and "No" figured out.

 

If you want just go ahead and try to set up a play date with this couple. If they really understand swinging, what you are worried about will not be a problem for them, if not and 'Yes' was 'No' for them, that is her problem, not yours!

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I'm sure 90% of those above me have said the same thing, but it's not your fault.

 

You didn't know they didn't play solo, so you bear no fault in him choosing to play solo for the first time. If she wasn't ok with it she should have said so. That said, I'd agree she did appear to be uncomfortable with it once it was going on, but still it's up to her to say so.

 

If anyone does owe her an apology it's her husband. If it was my birthday and my husband decided to go off and play alone (first time or not), and I had already expressed I was done for the night... I'd be one pissed off girlie and he'd know it, but then again he would have known it as soon as he asked if it was ok to play, and we'd have been leaving the club instead.

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Let's get this where I can understand it. Both your husband and the birthday girls' husband are very heavily hung to the point that you both get sore from intercourse in one shot, and you consider this to be a reason that you both "got the pick of the litter"?

I guess this makes my little pecker be the booby prize, in spite of my lady being able to go three time a night with me on occasion, without getting sore.

:lol:

 

I was confused by that too! It was actually a third couple with the other huge guy though. Still, you'd think that the b-day girl, rather than continuing to hump godzilla until she cant walk, might have wanted to give a shot to that fourth couple that was interested (the couple with the husband that was too small). To each their own I guess.

 

It sounds like some of the complications in this story may have been avoided if only there were smaller penises involved! :hahaha:

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I was confused by that too! It was actually a third couple with the other huge guy though. Still, you'd think that the b-day girl, rather than continuing to hump godzilla until she cant walk, might have wanted to give a shot to that fourth couple that was interested (the couple with the husband that was too small). To each their own I guess.

 

It sounds like some of the complications in this story may have been avoided if only there were smaller penises involved! :hahaha:

 

LOL Mr. Allnight here finally getting the chance to make my own commentary regarding the whole situation here. Mixtupcpl yes if only smaller penises has been involved the whole situation might have turned out differently. :D:hahaha::D

 

While Mrs. Allnight considers me to above average I tend to think of myself as pretty average, evidently it just seems she has a knack for picking out gentleman to play with on her own that are smaller in size (both length and girth) than I am thus increasing my size in her eyes I guess. It is true that I can bottom out without trying to on Mrs. Allnight but I am by no means hiding a 10" monster in my drawers heck I haven't even taken the time to measure to even see what it is :dontknow: to me all that matters is that my wife and the women who I get the chance to play with walk away with a smile on their faces and want to come back for more which so far I have been pretty successful in that respect.

 

For laughs I will correct the dick sizes so everybody has them straight:

 

Husband of birthday girl- not big at all but good with fingers and tongue

-Made Mrs. Allnight have enjoyable time with his oral and digital skills not so much from the flag pole

 

Husband of couple they played with- Big (see prior paragraph regarding this subject) like me, We have never played with this couple yet but he appears approximately same size in length and girth judging from photos in their photo galleries which we have seen- he is the one who pounded the birthday girls cervix into her stomach area

 

Me (Mr Allnight) Big (see prior paragraph regarding this subject)

 

These were the only three penises involved in this situation even though there was an additional couple interested in having a fun time with the birthday girl they had left before said situation had time to develop (my wife and the b-day girl's husband were still in the dance hall when that couple left no idea what size the husband of that couple is. Hopefully this clears up all the penile confusion.

 

I only felt that I should apologize to her because it was pretty obvious that she knew I didn't believe her at all when she said she was okay with them to continue playing to not only me but to her friends as well when we asked her if she wanted us to stop my wife and him playing and yet I didn't go ahead and go back and put a stop to the play. I was torn between going back there and stopping things right then and there because I could tell it was bothering her even though she kept saying she was okay with it but at the same time I didn't want to make it look like I was some sort of an ass who wouldn't listen to what she was saying either so I choose to say put and talk with her and the rest of the friends that were there until my wife and her husband came out.

 

We are still not really sure how we want to handle the situation the next time we see them, it does appear from the changes they made on their profile that there is no longer permission for either one of them to play solo as they now state in their profile they will ONLY play together as a couple which had not been there prior to last Saturday night. So maybe a little bit of drama that we don't want to go touching or messing around with for a little while, who knows. Right now Mrs Allnight and I are kind of the opinion of taking a wait and see approach.

 

Thank you again for all the advice and opinions that have been offered they are greatly appreciated.

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This whole thing really strikes me as a great lesson in the importance of knowing ones own feelings, and communicating them honestlly. If Mrs. BDay had realized and said up front that she diddn't want hubby to plah without her then 4 peoples lives would be much easier.

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Hopefully this clears up all the penile confusion.

 

NOT SO FAST there mister... While I appreciate the detailed recollection of the members in question, I think we're going to need a cervical swab at this point (it's getting like Law and Order here!)

 

On topic, if it were me in your shoes (after marveling over my newly upgraded endowment! :D) then if they were friends and/or I wanted to make sure the air was clear for whatever reason, I would just come out and address the issue directly the next time I saw them (we are VERY direct) Direct usually works. And it can be as simple as "hey, just want to make sure we are good after last time"

 

If it was really more of an aquaintence thing, or you just don't care that much (but you do, b/c you posted :D), then I would just let it alone.

 

I mean from our point of view, you did absolutely nothing wrong at all. You can't be expected to be a mind reader, and it isnt a good idea typically to infer anything beyond what the person is actually telling you because you may simply be misreading them and, if pushed, they may get annoyed which sort of kills the original intent of looking out for their feelings.

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NOT SO FAST there mister... While I appreciate the detailed recollection of the members in question, I think we're going to need a cervical swab at this point (it's getting like Law and Order here!)

 

On topic, if it were me in your shoes (after marveling over my newly upgraded endowment! :D) then if they were friends and/or I wanted to make sure the air was clear for whatever reason, I would just come out and address the issue directly the next time I saw them (we are VERY direct) Direct usually works. And it can be as simple as "hey, just want to make sure we are good after last time"

 

If it was really more of an aquaintence thing, or you just don't care that much (but you do, b/c you posted :D), then I would just let it alone.

 

I mean from our point of view, you did absolutely nothing wrong at all. You can't be expected to be a mind reader, and it isnt a good idea typically to infer anything beyond what the person is actually telling you because you may simply be misreading them and, if pushed, they may get annoyed which sort of kills the original intent of looking out for their feelings.

 

LOL Mixtupcpl cervical swabs.... too funny!!! :D I think we already established the fact that two of us out of the three from that evening are more than capable of performing said swabs!

 

What you said in your second paragraph and where my wife and I are at currently thinking wise is what we keep going back and forth between. We would like to become friends with them but at this point they are really best described as aquiantances. We do care but at the same time we are both thinking if they have been in the LS for a while now which is what they had stated this is one of those things that should have been pre-discussed long before they even hit the club that night.

 

When it was Mrs. Allnight's bday night at the Spott back in March, I knew 4 weeks in advance (which was when we contacted the club owner to arrange her bday celebration) that the whole night was to be about her and what she wanted and I was perfectly fine with that as it was her first bday celebration at a lifestyle event so I wanted her to enjoy every single minute of it. Things that had be prediscussed that was the one night I was not allowed to go play solo even though one of the females I had played solo with before was going to get to be there again after a break due to work commitments and she was really hoping to get to play with me again that night, talk about it sucking having to turn down someone you have had a very good time with.

I was requested to dance more dances with her than I normally did, which since I suffer from WGCD syndrome is not something I normally liked to do but in the end that part ended up being really good for me because not only did it get me more comfortable on the dance floor it opened up some doors for us as a couple with other couples who didn't realize we were together as in married because they seldom saw us together in the dance hall because Mrs. Allnight and I are both quite the social butterflies at the club and have lots of friends some unique to each of us and many that we are both friends with and didn't used to spend a lot of time together at the clubs at least in the sense of dancing together.

 

:focus: Now back to last Saturdays situation we had actually discussed the possiblity that if the situation came up where only one of us wanted to play be it me with the birthday girl or her with the husband what would our response be. My stance was if they (either the birthday girl or the husband) wanted to play seperate or as a couple that is fine but the ball is in their court. If they wanted to play together as a couple with us that was fine, if they wanted to play seperately with each of us that was fine too, or if only one of them wanted to play with only one of us that was fine too. We felt it was her (the birthday girls) night and assumed that the what was and what wasn't okay with her between the two of them had already been discuused (I know I know :redflag: we should not have assumed but we did)

 

It is going to be a couple of weeks before we be able to go back to the club so between now and then I am sure the wife and I will 110% figure out what to do or how we want to handle things.

 

As for me tonight, well it is 2:30AM and the Mrs. just got home from a family friends of hers place about 10 minutes ago so we are going to go hit the sack for the night.

 

See ya'll in the morning!!

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I was requested to dance more dances with her than I normally did, which since I suffer from WGCD syndrome is not something I normally liked to do but in the end that part ended up being really good for me because not only did it get me more comfortable on the dance floor it opened up some doors for us as a couple with other couples who didn't realize we were together as in married because they seldom saw us together in the dance hall because Mrs. Allnight and I are both quite the social butterflies at the club and have lots of friends some unique to each of us and many that we are both friends with and didn't used to spend a lot of time together at the clubs at least in the sense of dancing together.

 

This paragraph is extremely cool and extremely sweet. Its awesome that her big ask was something as simple, sweet and intimate as dancing (even if it WAS at a sex club! ;)) As for WGCD, I feel this pain as well my brother, and help IS out there!

 

was her (the birthday girls) night and assumed that the what was and what wasn't okay with her between the two of them had already been discuused (I know I know :redflag: we should not have assumed but we did)

 

Im personally atypical in this, but I dont think you were wrong here either. I figure everyone is an adult and it is really totally on every couple to be in sync and really not the responsibility of other couples to try to get them in sync (if that makes sense)

 

As for me tonight, well it is 2:30AM and the Mrs. just got home from a family friends of hers place about 10 minutes ago so we are going to go hit the sack for the night.

 

See ya'll in the morning!!

 

Luckily, as a vampire, I have no such needs... But I certainly respect the weaknesses, er, requirements, of others :hahaha: Actually... Mrs is FINALLY sated for the night (and the sun is getting ready to rise) so I'd better sign off as well ;) We prob could have used you here! I suspect the higher caliber cannon may have taken her out faster and saved me some effort! LOL

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Sounds more like a post for bragging on her husband size than the woman being bothered by them being together

she mentioned it numerous times and described it more than twice I believe.

 

Great Advertisement tho

but I am not impressed

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I am awed by the people who responded constructively. My brain got a cramp trying to sort out the players.

 

I'm going to summarize. If YOU thought you were playing with her husband with permission then you have nothing to apologize for. HOWEVER, if she feels she is owed an apology, or you think she may feel that way, then by all means, give her a sincere apology since it costs you nothing. You might also then be sure to be wary of people who seem to have hidden expectations.

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Sounds more like a post for bragging on her husband size than the woman being bothered by them being together

she mentioned it numerous times and described it more than twice I believe.

 

Great Advertisement tho

but I am not impressed

 

Well Skinzman glad you took the time to read my wife's post or any of the responses from others, my size and the size of the other husband of the couple the Bday girl and her husband (the one my wife played with) played with were part of the equation in what happened thus the reason for my wife mentioning it.

 

If you want to take it as my wife bragging about my size and not about us actually being concerned about what to do in the situation so be it there is not much I can do to change your mind, however seeing how this is your first foray into the situational help forums I am glad to see that after at least almost 5 years on this site and presumeably in the LS that you were able to offer such thought filled and helpful advice.

 

As for an update on things, my wife and I decided after having read everything on here and talking about it some more ourselves that we don't need to be apologzing for anything that happened that night. Permissions were granted by all involved and that if she didn't want him and her to play that night she (the Bday girl) should have said so. Yes it was her birthday night but she still could have said no and it wouldn't have bothered my wife or I in the slightest.

 

Thank you again to everyone who has offered constructive advice about the situation, your replies have been most appreciated. Sorry if things were kind of hard to follow at some points in our posts.

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