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  1. Coming from a family of six kids where our mom discovered the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints quite late in life, we all studied it but were not overly impressed. Lamenites, Canaanites, poligamy etc. Very convenient for Joseph Smith (the founder of Mormonism) but, at the end of the day, he was a dude called Joe Smith - that's all there is to be said about him in reality.
  2. In other words, Mormonism is based on, to us at least, wholly unacceptable racism.
  3. Why is everyone concentrating on the mother scenario (it's obvious from the original post that the OP already knows, in her heart, that she has to let her mother go and find her own way back and in her own time) when all the girl asked was what kind of crap might she expect to be thrown at her for being a "Swinger"? Are you people here so intent on putting forward your own take on life and your anecdotes and personal experiences that you can't actually be bothered to read the question?
  4. Maybe we need to spell it out (again) so you may grasp the dynamics, here. 1) Why does there have to be a "problem" at all? We're considering inviting into our circle of fun a friend who doesn't have your wealth of experience in the subject of swinging. He's a newbie (so let's look down on him and treat him like crap, huh, cuz he should be grateful - are all your playmates suitably grateful to you, by the way)? 2) We "are only doing it for the single guy". More clarification required on this one, please, as we don't understand what you're trying to say. 3) He's not just "some guy". He's a close friend who lives in a Vanilla world but who we think might be up for some lifestyle fun. Is this a Masonic-type thing with you guys on this particular board? We could ask him to roll up his trouser leg and sing God Save The Queen or the Star Spangled Banner if that meets with your approval. May we suggest you go back and read our post again and (popular though you may appear to be on this board), put aside your I'm Invincible Cloak prior to responding to ourselves in such a trite, superior and condescending manner. (No doubt Julie (who shall be known henceforth as "The Board Owner" et al will soon scurry to your aid). Speaking as an Asian and Limey, we have to say "Gawd sum of u guys ain't 'arf up yerselves".
  5. Our ideal outcome will probably occur just around the same time as big lizards (AKA dinosaurs) are back in control of the planet. Ideally, we'd like to spot someone (jointly or collectively) whose underwear we would like to get into. We'd like to be able to approach them in complete sincerity and state our lust for them, at which point we would either be rebuffed (which is cool )or invited for a cup of tea and a toasted muffin at the nearest bakehouse, while we discussed the "rules". After that, we'd retire somewhere and fuck like stoats, exchange telephone numbers and be on our way. Realistically it will, over the course of the next few years, to have hopefully gathered together a group of close friends who are trustworthy (horny would be nice ). With the occasional holiday fling thrown in for good measure. Either of those is Not so different to a vanilla wish list as we may have thought.
  6. You may have misunderstood. If Su and Bud and Jay were playing bareback (as is the norm) and you were invited into our circle, plus this was new territory for you, + you were the only black male and you were instructed to wear a condom, how would you feel? You're a bag of nerves already (for any one of or a combination of the aforementioned reasons). The "other guy" has got feelings, too. Mr Spoo.
  7. Not yet, but becoming increasingly more orally curious day by day (maybe it's because Jay brought the subject up and said he would have no problems trying it). A bit worried about Su's reaction though as her first husband came out of the closet and moved in with his boyfriend about a year after they separated, so I daren't even broach the subject. Would it be considered "playing away from home" if me and Jay met separately without telling her, as no other woman would be involved? Would any of the guys be jealous if their lady had sex without him, but with another female and no other male involvement?
  8. No intimacies in the privacy of our play-venue are too intimate, or reserved to our own partner. Any intimacy in the public gaze is too intimate unless between our own partner.
  9. We currently only have the one regular male playmate so don't see the need for condoms (which adds to the eroticism). It's Su's decision not to use them but which makes me (Bud) happy, too. Su can't conceive following an op after her last child, so pregnancy is not an issue and both of us guys are clean and D&D free. Cleaning up in the shower together is a lot of fun and often leads onto more fun as Su is pretty insatiable. Su also doesn't reserve any place from Jay (our buddy). When we are playing, it's all equal. She treats our bodies exactly the same and allows us both equal access to hers (even to deep kissing - which is one of the horniest sites to behold). No condoms, no boundaries except the usual (watersports etc). We're considering bringing another male on-board (who is a close friend and just happens to be a black guy - one of Su's fantasies) and it might prove awkward, as he is quite sexually active, if we were to insist he bag-it-up while we were allowed to go bareback. If we do invite him in and he is up for it, we'll probably all wear condoms in order to cause no offense. Shame, though. PS. Forgot to mention that if there existed a litmus-test that would guarantee no infections at all, we would far prefer to all go bare-back if/when Mr T (our proposed third male) joins us. And as an aside, do any others have an opinion on swallowing and taste? I’m Vasectomised, but Jay isn’t. Maybe it’s psychological, but Su says she prefers the taste of my cum to J’s and is always happier if Jay’s dick shoots behind her tongue so she can swallow it quick whereas she will perform slutty open-mouthed swishing it over her tongue antics to tease us before swallowing when it is my own cum. Jay has also, on occasion, licked and sucked on Su’s pussy after I have cum inside her and said he finds it erotic and that he notices no taste or semen scent whatsoever. Maybe I’ll try that myself one day (but it might be wise to try after myself before I sample Jay’s).
  10. Of all our experiences, we've found that as Su climaxes whilst being double penetrated pussy and anal or with both guys inside her pussy, this is enough to set one or other of the guys off. The feeling of his dick beginning to jerk and spasm continues the inevitable chain-reaction by bringing the second guy off, too. That is, without doubt, the most delicious way to orgasm and as we are currently exclusive to each other, so condoms are not required, it is always followed up with lots of fun in a three-way shower to freshen up.
  11. I think http://www.libchrist.com/ is the website. Many here are Christian. Happily, some are of other faiths and some not subject to a spiritual faith at all. Thank Buddha. (SuAndBud - Buddhists - Not a faith, just a philosophy)
  12. Bud shaves daily (dick and twin buddies) no irritation at all as the skin gets accustomed to it (much as the chin does). I keep my Beetle style haircut above, though cuz as I've a hairy tum and chest, it just looks silly otherwise. Su shaves, then allows growth until the day before it starts to get "untidy" then shaves again (cuz she's too lady to do it daily). Bud's cool with this as he gets the best of both worlds. ONE THING. If you are gunna remove the hair, please make sure you are fastidious. Have you ever spoken with a man who missed a bit shaving his chin? Your eyes keep drifting towards it like a mole or birthmark!? We'd both prefer a full hairy than a smooth - but with little hairy bits - partner.
  13. To get back on-topic and try to answer some of the questions you said you wanted answered, rather than simply respond and offer comments &/or opinions regarding your situation: What you can expect if/when you’re outed will very much depend upon who/what you are and who/what is the person that decided to throw anything at you at all. Much negativity and narrow-mindedness and non-acceptance by some (you may even lose some friends – some valued, some not so). Many of these will be being genuine to themselves, but some may be closet-curious themselves or even downright intrigued, but afraid to admit it. We all change throughout our lives in our opinions (especially with regard to sex) else no-one would ever break a marriage vow of fidelity – if said with sincerity. Most non-gay males will go through at least a part of their puberty as homophobic (some maintain this attitude beyond puberty and some will subscribe to it unto the grave). A large number, however, will become tolerant of gays as they mature (particularly as they get to meet more gay males and females and share friendships with gay and non-gay folk alike). In some guys this Live-&-Let-Live attitude can morph into a Never-Say-Never philosophy that in turn can become curiosity and culminate in an actual unspoken desire to “Try-Before-You-Die” mentality. – Story of my (Bud’s) life. LOL. The same can be said of “Swingers”. As we age, we go from disbelief (even disgust) to giggling to tolerance to nonchalance to curiosity to intrigue to “How on earth can I bring THIS subject up with my SO?”. It depends who they are and at what stage of whatever cycle they happen to be on. The worst case we know of, though, is a couple who were outed and ended up moving area (they lived in a pretty rough area where “Men are men and women are grateful” – you get the gist?). The poor chap involved had to put up with a daily barrage of men remarking that he was not man enough to satisfy his wife on his own and was often subjected to men saying stuff like “Can I bang your wife?...Why not?...Everyone else does…..What’s wrong with my dick, not good enough for her?” Wholly intolerable, I think you’ll agree. Any wonder we need tread careful?
  14. Isn't it the Mormons who espouse the practice of polygamy (but to the gratification of their menfolk, only)? Sometimes we let our parents down, sometimes our parents let us down. You will, no doubt, ocassionally let your children down and they will reciprocate. It's all a question of from what perspective someone is coming from. You might wish to point out that friendship is one of the greatest of gifts (dunno about you, but we are far closer friends to those within our, albeit small, lifestyle community than within our Vanilla circle - maybe it's a trust thing). If you were not "swingers", she would probably not think twice that your sexual practises might have an adverse affect on her grandchildren. If you can somehow reassure her that this is not an issue, then she may well come to terms with it in time as she did with your sexuality at age 17 once the initial shock wore off. Unfortunately there can be no guarantee, though as I well recall the reaction of my own mother, she too was a Mormon, when I first dated a "Lamenite" (black-skinned) girl. She just couldn't reconcile herself to her faith's teachings (as follows): "The God-fearing Nephites were "pure" (the word was only officially changed from "white" in 1981) and "delightsome." The idol-worshiping Lamanites received the "curse of blackness," turning their skin dark. According to the Book of Mormon, by 385 AD the dark-skinned Lamanites had wiped out other Hebrews. The Mormon church called the victors "the principal ancestors of the American Indians." If the Lamanites returned to the church, their skin could once again become white". Well, bully for that. Perhaps someone should mention this "fact" to Michael Jackson. Sometimes we have to treat our parents in the same way that we treat our kids in that, whilst not agreeing with them or their actions, neither should we shut them out, but must always leave the door ajar for their hoped prodigal return. Good luck.
  15. Thanks for the reply, but does that mean there is no actual deffinition of "rules" for "soft-swing"? We're not soft swing anyway, but it must be very difficult for folks who are or who are curious to know what they can expect and what will be expected of them, in that case. Does anyone know of a roughly deffinitive guide to "soft-swing" rules &/or etiquette.
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