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Ruff last won the day on May 16 2011

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  • Birthday 01/26/1967

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    Single Male
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    NYC
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    Legal Field
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    20 yrs

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    BLKTHKRUFF
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    TJ's Lasting Impressions

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  1. I've played with a known pornstar (mentioned in a previous thread), a former playmate used to have private MFM sessions with a Pro Athlete turned broadcaster and a FWB I brought into swinging, got picked up in traffic also by a Pro Athlete. A broadcaster of minor sports leagues, years ago, went online, met & fucked a large number of vanilla women across the country and put them in lifestyle situations they still have to deny to this day. does make me chuckle when their pages on FB pop up.
  2. Yes, an actual "she made hardcore films for purchase" pornstar. On several occasions, a few times at a series of parties she co-hosted and other times when we met up at mutual friends parties
  3. as has been previously stated most people don't answer, even with a simple no "thank you". I've sent replies to people because they've sent polite notes of rejection back. lol:lol: But seriously 2 stories : First in 2008, while at a swing convention, in the hotel lobby talking with a couple we all realized that in the sex swing themed room the previous year (2007) they had been playing in the swing while she jerked me off as I watched. Apparently because my partner was up in our room she did not want to overstep any lines and play with me but she had been wanting to find me since. This time there was no issue and we played several times over the next few days. They left early but thanks to a friend I was able to look them up on an onLine Swing Site. It turns out she had written me the loveliest "no thank note" I or anyone else could ever hope to receive complimenting not only my prose but showing some real appreciation for my taking the time to write them and lamenting the fact the distance was too great to try and start a friendship. Here's the real kicker , my note and hers were sent AFTER we'd already met in '07 while she was wondering if she could somehow find the gentleman from the sexswing room again. I wrote them again, explained who I was and we all found it to be a funny example of "you just never know". 2nd, in 2009 I was reading several threads in a group for single males on an onLine Swing Site and there was a thread by a single female who was tired of fake single males wasting her time by not showing up for dates they'd set up(apparently quite a few). Now she made some good points in her trashing single men and their faults but she looked familiar and I recognized her screen name, so I clicked on her profile. Lo and behold her profile indicated we'd had previous mail contact. Once I looked however I realized while I had contacted her she'd failed to make contact in return(i.e., a simple "no thanks"). So I then politely responded in that and an adjacent thread (also dealing with this subject) that perhaps she needed to stop blaming all single males and accept her share of the responsibility by examining the types of single men she is choosing to communicate with.
  4. It can also signify that this event/party or couple is open to different races and possibly single male friendly. {This, the BBC tag, may seem trivial to some and threatening to others but the fact is going to a swinger's event and NOT having to worry about the element that doesn't even want to be on the same side of the room as you (even if you're a couple) is a relief as you head towards a night out. Besides because of the many average men who attend said events I've stopped asking "why is this party for BBC's when 90% of the guys here are average at best?" I know of several examples of house parties where the hostess has been by the door with a ruler and if you are as you advertised there's no admission BUT if you're simply stroking your own ego with your description there will be a fee (and embarrassment at your embellishment of course).
  5. This definitely shows the perils of posting to a VERY long thread without reading all the way to the end... man, did I cringe while reading this.
  6. In this scenario, whether real or imagined:rolleyes:, it is more than obvious to everyone reading that there were problems with it. What the supposed "incident" was in fact, was a cuckholding in progress rather than a "swing experience". (and not a swing-related cuckholding for those who want to say that is part of the LS) The wife in this drama has taken advantage of the opportunity to cheat on her husband in private and then in his face with him being "forced" off to the side at her whim. Now I know he had the "carrot" of his own FMF 3sum to make him willing to swallow this load but still she fucks Doogie Howser as soon as you leave with the kids? C'mon that's just disrespect with a capital "Fuck Him". Also from the supposed reactions of the 2 of them it sounds like either you were hounding them for "action" or.... THEY JUST WANTED TO FUCK LIKE RABBITS AND BE LEFT ALONE! Screw your plans for the LS and 3sums... She/It/They admitted she's not a swinger and never will be that doesn't mean she wouldn't fuck a guy behind your back or in front of your face... it just means you won't like it. Another point to be made, anyone else notice in the story that the wife and paperboy, I mean "boyfriend" were in engaged in cybering for mths on end and then we get this elaborate online tale of woe, sex gone wrong and chat logs aplenty?
  7. This has to have been a fake thread from the beginning, I mean the red flags were so obvious and then the whole "I've just read her chat logs" like it NEVER occurred to him to read at least one BEFORE he lets the college aged hormone machine spooged all over and in his wife? Have to give him/her/them (?) credit though, they did keep many, many people on the hook for 3-4 mths AND then came back for a 2 wk cameo...
  8. a friend of mine, mike1jones organized a last minute party in Dec. (what we in NYC call a "jumpoff") and the party went along swimmingly, 2 new girls arrived from the vanilla holiday party we'd all left from. This was their 1st party and one girl (call her striped sox) wasn't even close to being a swinger she just tagged along with her female friend (swingergal) to "check it out". So the party continues and they watch as things go on in this motel room and striped sox gets involved long b4 swinger gal does. As striped asks that the lights be dimmed (not a swinger remember?) and after they are she begins to really get into the guy she's playing with. After a bit she's groaning loudly, then short shouts and her wetness and the flesh pounding fills the room. As this is going on swingergal, supposedly the more open of the 2 goes from letting her playmate simply feel her breasts through her bra to pulling his dick out of his pants and sucking the head. (they were both still fully dressed) then as striped sox moans louder and starts to talk (one word here n there) swingergal begins to spontaneously drop her jeans her playmate is trying to keep up and get undressed. She strips down n just flops down bent over the motel room's mirrored dresser, playmate dude puts on a condom and gets to it. So now both new galz are playing and most of the party is watching as it unfolds, one couple is playing in another bed across from striped sox n partner. A 2nd guy slides over on the dresser and swingergal reaches over and grabs his dick, jerks it a bit then dives on it and sucks away. Mike1Jones then quietly walks across the party whispering to everyone that this was swingergal's fantasy: "2 guys at one time" as if on cue swingergal bolts upright turns 180* and faces her playmate tongue kisses him HARD, looks him dead in the eye growls and shoves him with all her might onto the 2nd bed!!!!! There's still that other couple that wasn't watching the 2 new girls playing on that bed! Playmate dude lands on them swingergal hops on top of him AND everyone yells that the OTHER COUPLE get out of the way so that these 2 can play!! They fuck hard on the bed and at one point during missionary position as she screams she pulls her legs str8 up towards his shoulders and kicks over a lamp, luckily I jump across the room and catch the lamp and hold her leg away from the breakables... and that's the most memorable swing experiences..... in the last 3 mths...
  9. We are "nazis, mentally ill or subconsciously afraid of pain" when we won't allow male activity by gay or bi males @ a str8 club but forcing their lifestyle on others is acceptable to them because... what? Swingers no longer have the right to choose what they want to be around? You consent to have sex with someone other than your own partner and you lose the right to choose what you find is acceptable? Is that the logic the other side of the argument is working with? No one who has argued the other side of the issue has dealt with the fact that the clubs will lose attendance or even acknowledged that going to a str8 club 4 bi male activity is like going to a vegetarian commune 4 a steak dinner. If bi male activity occurs @ a club then it is not a str8 club, a str8 club is a club 4 str8 males. What I don't get is why can't this simple concept get through to those on that side of the debate? I have a question.... do they have a clear meaning of the word straight? I seriously have a feeling that straight males in the lifestyle are under siege. That a small minority wants to move the definition of straight to include men who have sex with men but don't want to be labeled as such.
  10. Since this old topic has been revisited..... let me ask " anyone notice how mackie got so "out of sorts" by the comparison between his point of view and BDSM and yet was so willing to put his team's preferences shoulder 2 shoulder in comparison with an entire race's trials and tribulations? "
  11. I've not only attended huge hotel parties I've been part of the security at many and the OP's experience is not as rare as U'd think. Sone guys come to parties expecting to fuck and any words to the contrary fall on deaf ears. I've had a woman basically RUN across a mansion's 2nd floor and squeeze between me and the wall while gripping my arm as tightly as she could to get away from a guy and to stop other guys from groping her. Like the OP's (and another poster's) example(s) many times the guys who do this are FRIENDS of the host/hostess so they feel they can get away with anything. What she did or didnt drink, said or didn't say has absolutely no bearing on what happened, guys who feel they are owed pussy act accordingly regardless if it's a private room or the main playroom @ the party. When fellaz act like this it's called "thirsty" and it's not an endearing descriptive term.
  12. Trust me they are out there and U know what blacks do about it? We don't go there! Listen why would I go swinging in a place where I'd obviously be uncomfortable AND turned off? Going to a swing club and abiding by their rules is not paying the same fare yet sitting in the back of the bus or paying the same price for food and being restricted on where you can eat. Once again I notice you've refused to deal with the how your activity would turn off and drive away the str8 males and couples. Your solution seems to be to stick your fingers in your ear, recite "it's unfair, I can't hear you" as if somehow magically most str8 men won't head away from the clubs in droves if the actions you prefer were allowed. So I ask once AGAIN, what is your solution for the clubs when all those patrons no longer frequent them and/or what do you suggest for the str8 men and couples who will NOT want to be there? ( BTW the "grin and bear it" response isn't applicable becuz they will grimace and vacate... )
  13. Going out of business may be as American as apple pie too but no one really sets out to have their start-up go under. Which is apparently your solution to what YOU consider a "problem". You seem to be unwilling to accept the reality that str8 couples and singles males WILL NOT frequent the clubs under the scenario that pleases you. So we now have mostly empty clubs with you and the gay/bi male contingent left to support the entire Swing "Industry" as you phrased it... doesn't sound too promising to me. Is it your contention then that those who don't want to see/ be present where bi/gay male activity is present should not go to swing clubs at all? I have noticed you have not addressed the main point of those in support of the "rules", what is your solution to the fact that many Str8 men in attendance will no longer wish to have sex and will be apt to take their partners and leave?
  14. While I respect the rights of others to do as they, as consenting adults, choose, I wonder if any thoughts of practicality factor into this particular argument. As tolerant as some may be, the fact of the matter is that many, many str8 men (including male half of couples) aren't going to attend those clubs/functions with such activity going on. Now these men (and couples) are not forbidding such action, they are choosing to avoid it because as a couple of responders have already stated, it would be a sexual turn-off. Often when this debate takes place the general attitude of those "Pro bi-activity" seems to be that str8 men in the lifestyle have somehow lost their "right to be str8" once they've begun 2 swing and are homophobic if they choose not to engage in or be present where it is taking place. It seems that the UNDERLYING message of many who promote the premise of the Original Poster is that if you are str8 and male then don't swing (unless you are willing to be bi of course).
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