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BettyAnnMBSC, Good style and form. Very reminiscent of early Devil. Scathing but subtly so. Articulate yet accessible. Arrogant yet playful. I like it. Lose the quote. It's a little too typical VCU grad/ tragic hipster to be of the calibre you obviously desire to display. I have become inarticulate and apathetic as of late. For this I apologize. As far as my sexual repression.... That is a bit of an assumption on your part. Frustation with others densities and sexual repression are two distinct and seperate entities. I am guilty of only one of them. The Devil But you can call me Lucifer

It took fucking other people to make your relationship "fantastic"? You just made my point with your post. Thank You. The Devil

I have no experience with pedophilia but I surely can give a rational and logical explanation as to what is wrong with it. Though most swingers "think" they are so much more sexually evolved than the rest of the masses, it doesnt take farming your spouse out to be able to rationally debate some of the common practices and beliefs that exist within the swinging community. Most human beings define a friend as a very close platonic relationship. Once sex is involved it is a sexual relationship. There are many various forms of sexual relationships. John/Hooker, one night stand, girlfriend/boyfriend, husband/wife, milk man/house wife, girl you fuck drunk but wont take out,cell mates Hang up? Preference. Just because I actually have a satisfactory personal relationship with my spouse and I really dont have the need for one with yours doesnt mean that its a hang up. The Devil

Most normal humans outside of the swinging community(most of the world) would more than likely agree with me on this one. If you want to call someone your great friend because you can actually have a beer and watch a TV show with them then go for it. I think your definition of real friendship is sad but go for it none the less. I can hang out and do the same with people that I could care less if they got run over by a train on the way home. I have enough real untainted friendships and good acquaintances that I dont have to try and contrue them from my sexual entertainment. I feel sorry for you if you are so lacking in this area that you must do so. And if the people you choose to participate in these activities with are way more than a form of sexual entertainment then you are actually practicing a lesser form of polyamory and not swinging. I can lead a horse to water but not make it think..... The Devil

Why is it necessary for people to abandon logic , reality, and common sense in order to indulge in multiple partner sexuality? Why cant people just decide to include others into their sex lives without turning their backs on the laws of nature that govern human sexuality? Its like there is a pervasive mentality amongst the swinging community that dictates that if you want to have mutliple partner sex you have to buy into their common nonreality based code if you want to be a member. You dont have to rewrite the rules just because you like to break and bend them. And just because you have rewritten them to suit your cause doesnt mean that they are not seriously flawed and based on the illogical. I'll make it simple.... Fucking = sexual relationship Friendship= platonic relationship Once you fuck someone it becomes a sexual relationship. The true dynamics are forever changed and always will be. You cant unbake a cake. (the ex-wife/girlfriend factor) If you sought them out for this purpose initially they never were a friend. They were potential sexual partners from the get go. Once you are done fucking them they become past sexual partners. There will always be that element that taints the relationship and keeps it from being truly platonic. The Devil

It was actually a joint response from both of us so I chose to write from her perspective rather than from my own for amusement purposes. There are many things on this board that should nodded at and backed away from way before a post that is not in the first person. FYI... The Devil is a two headed beast that posts as a singular entity. Though only one head posts, it does so according to the beliefs and opinions of both. The Devil

The Devil did not create the "old" saying about being able to count your true friends on one hand by the end of your days. Maybe you do not have real friends and the saying is lost upon you. Some one far wiser than the Devil and most definately wiser than you invented it. As far as the Devil spending his days in solitude and loneliness I'll assure that he does not. He is surrounded by true friends and many good acquaintances most of the time. The only difference is that the Devil does not concoct his friendships from his desire to bed them. He makes friends like normal healthy people do. Just because the Devil likes group sex doesnt mean that he follows the typical swinger mentality. This is not an identity for him. He has no need for their lingo or cliches. He does not follow their ettiquette nor subscribe to most of their beliefs. The Devil does not do this because he is given to the superficial. He does this because this is the way he thinks it should be. He isnt into modified polyamory. He just likes two at once sometimes. The Devil

In a room full of heroin addicts you can find all sorts of bizarre things that they will concur on that the rest of the world would not. The same goes for the swinging community. Just because it is a common self placating delusion in a deviant cross section of society does not designate it as fact. What do you want to bet that the rest of society that doesnt swing would more than likely agree with me on this one? It may be a relationship of sorts but true untainted friendship it is not. Jesse, You dont know the difference between a friend and an acquaintance. The person that you described that you get your lottery tickets from is an acquaintance by definition. Not a friend. And just because you inquire of the condition of someones loved ones does not make them a true friend either. I do more personal inquiry than that with most of my clientele but that certainly does not designate them as true friends of mine. They say that within a life time you can usually count the number of "true friends" that you have on one hand. People often use term friend too loosely and more often misuse the word altogether when they should have used the term acquaintance. The Devil

One of the reasons why I like debating on this swingers board is due to the pervasive denial, delusion, and rationalization that seems to infect a large percentage of the people who choose to indulge in these sort of activities. Now if I may interject..... The concept of ascertaining true friendship with people that you sought out for the purpose of fucking in a group sex setting is ludicrous at best. If you are considering anyone as a potential sexual partner and attempt to befriend them on this basis or as part of the equation, this is not "true friendship".Your motive for befriending them alone taints its legitimacy. It is founded in lust/sexual desire. Real friendships are not based on whether or not you like the idea of an individual fucking you or your spouse. You may desire to be around people you get along with or find interesting but this does not constitute a legitimate friendship by any means. The Devil

Who says this isnt friendly banter for some? Some people dont even yell during a divorce and some raise hell just asking for someone to pass the gravy at the dinner table. Bear and I give hell to one another at times but that doesnt mean we are being unfriendly.We know where we truly stand with one another. :)I just think that neither one of us are afraid to truly speak our minds.There are enough people here who post socially safe,politically correct, nonoffending,dull and unoriginal feel good fluff ridden posts that would even make Barney vomit. I personally love it when Bear accuses me of having my head up my ass or calls me Ace or Sonny. It meant that what I had to say was worth a passionate and personalized response. The Devil

Bear, Beauty isnt fleeting. It is relative to ones age. I dont expect a women who is 50 to resemble a 21 yr old. I always take age into consideration when analyzing an individuals beauty. I never hold the inevitable effects of aging against anyone.But people in our sedentary society often blame certain physical deteriorations on age when it should be more aptly attributed to their apathy. My mother in law looked damn near as good in a bikini as her daughters did until she was 50 and hadnt has so much as a chemical peel. She had lines and maybe her breasts werent as firm as a highschool cheerleader but she looked great. She also worked to keep her body in shape. Wrinkles,receding hairlines, some effects of gravity cannot be helped. Fat and flabby asses,stomachs,calves,thighs, and arms can most definately be. And contrary to the rhetoric of those who arent willing to exercise, it can be achieved without plastic surgery. Take a real good look at someone that you would consider to be a victim of time and really analyze them. Most of the things that cause this appearance are correctable. TOP THREE THINGS THAT MAKE YOU LOOK OLDER THAN YOU SHOULD 1) Fitness. People often mistake being out of shape as a sign of aging. I cant tell you how many times at the gym I have seen someone come in looking 45 and a year later look 35 due to fitness alone. And I've seen men in their 60's who look like they could easily put you in the hospital with a punch. This is fact. Just because you are too lazy to keep your body in shape doesnt mean that its an impossible feat that defies the laws of physics. 2) Innappropriate body hair growth. As men age they often let the hair in their ears,nose,chest, and eyebrows get out of control. You would be suprised at how many years it takes off an individual when these areas are kept up. Women should never overpluck or draw part of your eyebrows on. This is humorous looking at best. 3) Fashion. As people age they often fall into looking dated. It was only cool to wear fashions that were popular in the 80's in the 80's. I'm not saying its cool to see 70yr olds dressed like Brittany Spears but you can at least wear something tasteful from the last decade. The same goes for your hair. Anyone still sporting a mullet should be killed on site. The Devil

Having the personal restraint and the discretion to wait for an opportunity where you actually find the person attractive in addition to having other favorable attributes and being purely superficial are two totally different things. One is being selective and one is being shallow. Beauty isnt always fleeting. It is almost always relative but not necessarily transient. I used to work at a bar that was for the most part a trendy meat market in my early 20's. I was surrounded by tight young little hotties 24/7. None of these girls on their best day could touch this one group of women who came in on fridays for happy hour. They were all in their early to late 40's. And every 21 yr old guy in that joint would have cut off a toe to have a go at any one of them( me included). The Devil

HMR, 1) I was talking about the criteria that you place on swinging partners. Why would you correlate this to reasons you married your spouse? I certainly hope that you are not placing people you choose to screw for shits and giggles on the same level with your life partner. 2) It wasnt talking about sleeping with someone on the sole basis of looks alone. There are plenty of people out there who have good personalities, are relatively intelligent, have sex appeal, and are very easy on the eyes(I realize this is relative to the individuals tastes).But that might actually require some personal restraint and may deprive you of immediate gratification. But on the other hand you cant beat it when you find it. 3) If your going to break the "no touching others rule" that most other marriages go by (or are at least supposed to go by) why wouldnt you want it to be for something great instead of mediocre or slightly above. 4) Personally,when we pull our pants down its really really worth it. I guess for some it doesnt have to be. The Devil

HMR I think there are two things you need to ask yourself. 1) Why do you have the NEED to swing so badly that you cant wait for someone you at least find attractive? It sounds alot more like addictive thinking than a healthy interest to me. 2) Why would you chance a disease risk with someone you arent even attracted to? Again this sounds like getting a "fix" rather than something truly worthwhile that you have a healthy interest in. The Devil

Just my kind of topic. Men and women both come in different sizes. Over 90% of men are between 5 and 7 inches. If you go over this or fall under this then you are abnormal. Most women have comfortable snug feeling vaginas to men who fall within normal limits. But there are some women who suffer from vaginal deviances that can leave them tighter than normal or larger than normal. There are varying degrees of deviancy ranging from a little more spacious or little more snug to insertion is difficult/painful to I could park my Hummer in there. There isn't a single body part that doesn't come in a variety of sizes. It's just easier to point out on a male. Of course a woman is more than likely going to be a size queen if that is the only way they can achieve a sense of fullness. But that doesn't mean all women who want a big cocks have a horse pussy either. But on the other hand I'm between 6.5 and 7 and almost every girl I've been with has had to back up if I become overzealous. And the ones who didn't ranged from somewhat to definitely bigger down there. The funny thing is that some of the women on this board finally got to have a taste of having the size of their primary sexual organ brought into question in a less than flattering fashion. So next time you refer to someone you have slept with as "diminutive" they might be out with their buddies comparing your genitalia to something less than flattering as well.