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We've been in the LS for about 2 years. Lots of fun, tons of great couples, etc.

 

We've been approached by a bunch of couples asking us about hall passes and we always said no. We told them that it wasn't ever something we'd do. We always thought that they felt like a "date/relationship" vs. just a flirty fun sex thing that we like about swinging.

 

Well, over the past few months we've been hanging out a LOT with another couple. Turns out there is a really strong 4-way connection. It kinds feels like we're falling into a "relationship" with them.

 

We try to get together, the 4 of us, as much as possible, but lately our schedules are tricky. They have expressed the interest in getting together separately and our knee-jerk reaction is: "NO WAY, that's against our hall-pass / dating / doing things together rule!"

 

... but then we had a realization: We've had a few separate room play times and we've split up at events where two go one way and hang out and the other two go another way and hang out. HOLY CRAP... have we broken our rules and didn't even know it!?!? Are we slipping into polyamory!?!?!

 

We're kinda freaking out. This is VERY new area for all of us and we're not sure how to proceed. The big questions:

 

1) How emotionally connected should we get with these two? What pitfalls should we be avoiding (either problems with them or between my spouse and I)?

2) Where's the line between swinging and polyamory? I don't even know where the line is between, "Hey, I really like you" vs. "Hey I love you"!

3) Are polyamory and hall-passes / separate private dates tied together or can they be mutually exclusive? Can you be poly and not do separate dates?

4) Do swingers get into poly relationships and continue to "just swing" with other couples?

5) Is this just all a terrible idea and we should go back to just swinging and enjoying fun times together as a two couple group?

 

Looking forward to your thoughts!!!

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Oh, a huge question I forgot to ask:

 

How often do these types of couple / couple relationships last? At parties and with friends we hear all the time about couples that were CRAZY close for a few months and maybe even a year, but I don't think we've ever heard of one lasting much longer than 1 or 2 years.

 

Is it just too hard to have 4 people all on the same page, having a good time, etc. without things like jealousy, boredom, changes in relationships, etc. bringing the whole thing to a screeching stop?

 

If we decide to move forward with this relationship, we'd want to do all we can to help it go smoothly and last. Other than maintaining really good / open communication... which other things must be done?

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There's a difference between separate room play and going out on separate dates alone. I don't know you or the other couple. Nor do I know the interactions that you two have with each other but my guess would be that no, you are not "slipping into polyamory." You two are merely good friends that have come from swinging.

 

NYFlirts said:
1) How emotionally connected should we get with these two? What pitfalls should we be avoiding (either problems with them or between my spouse and I)?

2) Where's the line between swinging and polyamory? I don't even know where the line is between, "Hey, I really like you" vs. "Hey I love you"!

3) Are polyamory and hall-passes / separate private dates tied together or can they be mutually exclusive? Can you be poly and not do separate dates?

4) Do swingers get into poly relationships and continue to "just swing" with other couples?

5) Is this just all a terrible idea and we should go back to just swinging and enjoying fun times together as a two couple group?

 

Looking forward to your thoughts!!!

 

1. It is up to you and the other couple how emotionally connected you two want to get. If it is making you uncomfortable, back off. If you enjoy it, talk to them about it and see if they are on the same page.

 

2. There is no hard line. I see it as a spectrum. Some want to keep swinging as a purely sexual act and nothing more. Others want the love and emotional part. There is a sliding scale between the two points. You two have to decide what you are comfortable with and go from there.

 

3. No, polyamory and hall-passes are not tied together. Couples can do hall-passes and be non-poly. Just because a couple engages in hall-passes doesn't mean they are poly. Some do it to engage in hot-wifing or cuckolding. And you can be poly and not do separate dates, depending on the relationships within it, but it would have to be a pretty unique and special relationship(s).

 

4. Yes and yes.

 

5. No one can tell you if it's a "terrible idea" because it depends on what you both desire and want from swinging, each other, and the couples you play with. Honestly, if you are this "freaked out" about the idea of poly, then maybe you should re-evaluate how you two are swinging.

 

 

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How often do these types of couple / couple relationships last? If we decide to move forward with this relationship, we'd want to do all we can to help it go smoothly and last. Other than maintaining really good / open communication... which other things must be done?

 

Every relationship is different and the duration of each relationship depends on too many variables to give an "average" length of time. Every person within that relationship has a part in determining how long that relationship lasts. If they all want it to last and are willing to put the effort and work into it, then it will last longer than those that are willing to give up at the first sign of trouble.

 

 

One question I have for you: What is it about polyamory that is making you "freak out"? I highly recommend that you explore the Polyamory and Swinging forum.

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I'm guessing your old rule, however flexible, to not go on separate dates, was your concern about trust. Now only each other but, your playmates.

 

The nicest thing I can remember about becoming that close to another couple is that you do trust them. And it's that trust that allows all four of you to enjoy things that you wouldn't with couples you're not that comfortable with.

 

How long will it last? Well, how long do vanilla friendships last? It varies, huh? You probably have a vanilla friend or two that you've kept most of your life and others that only lasted, however close it was, for a short while until something ended it.

 

If you, and they, feel comfortable with going out separately..., give it a try.

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My thoughts... take a deep breath, relax and stop over-thinking this.

 

It sounds like you were doing OK, until you hit the "have we broken our rules" and "what is this is polyamory" points. These are, IMO, two separate points.

 

As to have you broken your rules, maybe you have but rules evolve. If you and your partner are comfortable, maybe it's time to re-evaluate those rules, at least in this context. Clearly, with this couple, you have been OK with a degree of separate play. Maybe it's time to stretch your comfort zone a little... just keep communication open and be honest with each other and yourself. If you start to feel concerns, slow down and talk about them. That, IMO, is the real heart of the matter.

 

Now, to the other point... this idea of "polyamory" about which you seem to be very freaked out. Take a breath. It's just a word. Like "swinging" or "bread" it encompasses a wide variety of things. Swinging and poly are different, yes, but from my albeit limited experience they share some very common fundamentals... those being openness, honesty and communication. So, as above, as long as everyone keeps communicating, everyone is open and honest about their feelings and when concerns arise, everyone slows down and talks about them, you're still in a good place.

 

Whether you use the word "swinging" or the word "polyamory" to describe the relationship, the reality of an open, honest relationship built on good communication, friendship and sexual enjoyment remains the same.

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You two have to decide what you are comfortable with and go from there.

 

I totally agree with the answer Sunbuckus gave, especially the above.

 

Just because there some sort of on-going relationship, doesn't mean that it is a poly relationship. To us poly means sharing a life, a house, and having children together; yours seems just like regular swinging friends. Just take it for what it is. As for how long it will last, it will last for as long as you want it to. Unlike us, who have made a commitment because of the children, you can just go with what feels right for the four of you.

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This, as with everything else in your life, is up to the two of you to decide. Nobody can force you to do anything you don't want to do. All of our rules, as we have found out, have been pushed or in some cases dismissed and forgotten about as we became more comfortable with the situation. I'm not sure we would be ready for separate dates...but then that's just us and I, at least, would love to be put in the place were we would have to make that decision. As always, don't overthink things and enjoy where you are...

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Tons of great advice, thanks everyone!

 

After all my reading, it seems like we really are all swingers that have some "poly tendencies"... but still don't define ourselves as "poly".

 

We're still in the middle of big discussions with this couple to see where we are and where we want to be. IMO, the most important thing is that my wife and I are on the same page and know what we're getting into.

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UPDATE:

 

WOW, things have been getting really heated really fast! I don't know what to label this relationship, but we are finding ourselves all hanging out for hours and hours multiple times a week. We've even done multiple private dates with them, which we thought we'd "never" do!!!

 

Things have been moving REALLY fast! We've been VERY up front that we're not looking for anything exclusive and plan on still being active in the LS. While there is obviously some jealousy, they understand and are willing to progress knowing that we'll be playing with people besides them.

 

We feel like we're starting all over again in all this stuff. We had finally felt like we were in a nice groove and were pretty comfortable with being swingers... now we're developing a really close relationship with another couple and there are so many things that seem "new".

 

Any words of advice or caution???

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It's called NRE. Still, finding another couple where all four 'mesh' is difficult...actually VERY difficult, but when found it can be great...REALLY great. We have been seeing only one other couple for over 1 1/2 years with no end in sight. Glad to hear that things are going well for all of you. Keep the communication open and enjoy the ride.

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I did not read the responses on this one as I only want to say that it sounds like you are way too concerned with what "others" are doing and not yourselves. A couple-couple relationship, sounds great to me but some will condemn you for it even as they are having a gangbang retreat and a pony parade! There are risks to anything you do in swinging, that is life. But having a steady single or couple to party with regularly who you are also friends with is a dream never realized for many. Life is too short to worry if you have accidentally broken some ground rules. Are you going to stop swinging and get divorced because you now decide separate room play was not allowed? Just be open and honest with each other and the other couple and enjoy yourselves, whether you cool it with them or all move in together.:4some:

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...finding another couple where all four 'mesh' is difficult...actually VERY difficult, but when found it can be great...REALLY great.

 

Brilliant point! That makes me want to dive in and enjoy every ounce of the situation as much as I can, while I can!!!

 

having a steady single or couple to party with regularly who you are also friends with is a dream never realized for many. Life is too short to worry if you have accidentally broken some ground rules.

 

Wow GspotDPlover, great post and a brilliant point!

 

 

Things really are moving along very fast... sometimes we worry they are moving too fast, especially when we hear some of the stories from other swingers about tight relationships with other couples that ended up in disaster.

 

I'll say this though: The other day we were at a LS club and it was pretty damn awesome amazing to have my hot wife with me one minute, then have my new "girlfriend" all over me the next. It really made me feel like a king!

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Things really are moving along very fast... sometimes we worry they are moving too fast, especially when we hear some of the stories from other swingers about tight relationships with other couples that ended up in disaster.

 

I'll say this though: The other day we were at a LS club and it was pretty damn awesome amazing to have my hot wife with me one minute, then have my new "girlfriend" all over me the next. It really made me feel like a king!

 

Friendships end for all sorts of reasons. I have lost almost all of them from my past and none from swinging--I wish that were the case for a few of them as they were hot! Sure swinging can result in people hurting each other but I think people get too hung up on what could go bad and for the sake of fear alone do not pursue the things they want. Having callous disregard for the feelings of the others parties, your wife, new girlfriend and, perhaps most overlooked, the feelings of the other man--you are screwing his wife/gf, better be on friendly terms with him!

 

Generally, if you enjoy this fun while it lasts, it will likely last longer: that is enjoy the moment/s and do not worry too much about the future. In your place, I would tell myself that this will end sooner or later and that is ok. All good things end, being thankful for having them at all is sometimes hard to do but makes sanity easier. Some/most men never experience being king, even for a couple hours.

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Friendships end for all sorts of reasons....

Some/most men never experience being king, even for a couple hours.

 

Excellent points!

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Things sure have been progressing quickly.

 

We've been doing private dates (which we thought we'd never do) and I'm running through a huge variety of feelings and emotions that are driving me crazy!

 

Sooooo many emotions, feelings, worries, issues, drama, excitement, love, passion, etc... all crammed together into this thing we're all doing.

 

I've got two totally conflicting feelings in my head and the tons of causes behind each one.

 

For example, my feelings for this girl. I want to be with her, but don't want to be with her / tied down.

 

On one hand I love the thought of how much she likes me. I feel like I'm dreaming to have her in my life and can't believe it. I totally can't stand being without her and always want to be with her.

 

Then I start to have these somewhat opposite feelings of worrying about me & my wife and our relationship, dealing with the extra stress / worries about all the relationships, and start distancing and "protecting" myself, me & my wife, and even the other two.

 

I tent to get WAY up in my head too much and overthink / overworry about stuff. I have a hard time finding the balance between proper amounts of worry and concern and going overboard with it to the point it keeps me from just enjoying the moment and what we have.

 

I've always been the type to worry about the long-term consequences of my actions. I hate the thought of a few weeks / months of fun with another couple creating years and years of problems for my wife and I.

 

 

On a similar note: Why do I still have this crazy desire... and "need" to keep swinging with other people? I have a super beautiful wife of many years and an amazingly hot new girlfriend who both totally love me, but I still have this feeling like I "need" to not be pinned down and must still be cultivating other relationships and swinging with other women.

 

What the hell is wrong with me?!?!

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just remember the old saying when thinking about how much you are infatuated by this "new love". For every great looking lady, there's someone that's tired of fucking them.. That's what could be on the other side of that fence you're on.. The grass may be greener but it still needs to be mowed.

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Well, that was fun while it lasted...

 

We had our friends over for the weekend. Things were going well until the guy started to feel like his girl was having really strong feelings for me (which she was), and he decided to pull the plug on the foursome.

 

:(

 

She seemed to think it was permanent, but he was intimating to my wife that it's probably only temporary. We're not sure which direction it will go, but as it is right now, we're not communicating at all (and we have been all day/night for a month) and probably won't be for the foreseeable future.

 

Part of us feels a little relieved that we don't need to worry about drama, issues, etc. but another part of us is missing what we had and where things were going.

 

Either way, it was a GREAT run and we wouldn't exchange the experience for anything.

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... and we're back! :D

 

It wasn't more than 24 hours after the "break-up" when we received a message from them that they wanted to talk. Long story short, they'd had some very lengthy conversations and decided they both wanted to proceed with a relationship with us on a few conditions, which we were fine with.

 

We've gotten together as a group last weekend and things went well. We also did some splitting-off which also went well. We're going to try some "private dates" this week and see how that goes.

 

Hopefully things will continue to go well for everyone involved. It's really scary since we never thought we'd ever be doing this... but I guess like everything else discussed on this swinger board, everything comes with potential pros, cons, and risks.

 

The big question we have is "How will we know if / when to pull back on things?" I worry that we're too close to it and biased and won't know to pull out until it's too late... but I also tend to be way more risk adverse with this stuff than everyone else.

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The big question we have is "How will we know if / when to pull back on things?"

 

If anything makes anyone uncomfortable, stop and talk about it--determine if you all want to work through it or if you all should pull an all-stop until you guys have figured out what's causing the discomfort.

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Can we ask what the new conditions are?

 

It's a bunch of things, but the main ones are stuff around making sure we are all at the "same speed".

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It's a bunch of things, ....

 

Sounds sketchy. My short attention span has trouble with a bunch of things. It's a guarantee I'll screw something up.

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It's a bunch of things, ....

 

Sounds sketchy. My short attention span has trouble with a bunch of things. It's a guarantee I'll screw something up.

 

two4you has something. Just like in swinging, when there's a lot of rules it's a lot easier for someone to slip up and hurt feelings ensue.

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It's a bunch of things....

 

When you get a minute, I would be very curious to hear the details. I kinda feel like I got to the last page of a book only to find the last two chapters ripped out.

 

Plus, on a non-selfish note, you might get some really good feedback.

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Things were still very raw after the guy came to a full realization that his girl was super into me and also that I was getting more time with her than he was getting with my wife.

 

The conditions were:

 

1) The other guy and my wife get equal time together

2) We all work on jealousy issues (mostly the guys)

3) We all need to work on our communication and relationships, especially between the guys

4) Each primary couple work on their relationships... maybe self-help and maybe counselling where needed.

 

Most of that stuff makes sense to us. The one that I'm really wondering about is the relationship between the guys. For the most part we're cordial, but we're definitely not buddies and at times there are even hints of animosity, especially now that it's out in the open that his girl likes me so much. We're wondering how important it is that the guys in a 4-way relationship be "buddies" and have a bromance vs. they simply are "ok" or "fine" with the nature of the relationship and work towards not having jealousy or animosity?

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The one that I'm really wondering about is the relationship between the guys. For the most part we're cordial, but we're definitely not buddies and at times there are even hints of animosity, especially now that it's out in the open that his girl likes me so much. We're wondering how important it is that the guys in a 4-way relationship be "buddies" and have a bromance vs. they simply are "ok" or "fine" with the nature of the relationship and work towards not having jealousy or animosity?

 

Bear in mind that I have no experience with poly relationships. But common sense would seem to indicate that if the guys are not good friends, a quad would be doomed to failure. A long-term successful 4-way relationship needs strong ties in all directions. Otherwise, it's not a 4-way relationship. It's a couple of 2-way relationships where the men tolerate each other for the sake of playing with each other's wives.

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...and being 'ok' with the other guy isn't enough. As you are finding out, everyone must have open communication with all of the others. 'Ok' doesn't imply that there really is any communication (or not much) going on there. It sounds like if the communication was better, especially between the guys, these problems would have been exposed sooner. I would cool things down with his wife and let the others catch up. Never move faster than the slowest member of the group (or else someone will get left behind)...

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For the most part we're cordial, but we're definitely not buddies and at times there are even hints of animosity, especially now that it's out in the open that his girl likes me so much.

 

Not poly...but you did ask. ;-)

 

I think for a poly relationship, the guys have to get along well. Not necessarily to the point of a bromance, but to the point of trust. We are pretty good at finding what the other likes, and don't often veto one of a normally acceptable couple, except when one rubs the other the wrong way. Frankly, the idea of my wife being with someone I don't have a good feeling for turns my stomach, and my wife feels the same way.

 

Unattached sex is one thing. Opening yourself to a poly relationship is something else. If you two can't get past the animosity and wouldn't enjoy a guys night out together (not saying you need to go out, just the fact that you could go out and have a good time), for me it wouldn't work out.

 

It sounds like the real issue is the relationship between the two guys. If this is something you really want, you and he really need to find common ground other than your respective wives. If not, there will likely always be an underlying issue.

 

Also, a bonus of you two reaching common ground is for you each to realize how into your own spouse you are, and that neither of you is looking for a replacement of your current spouse. In fact, if that ever came up, it would immediately be the end of swinging for you.

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4) Each primary couple work on their relationships... maybe self-help and maybe counselling where needed.

 

This is also a red flag.

 

If my wife and I need relationship counseling, that means we need to stop swinging and focus on our relationship.

 

If the other couple needs relationship counseling, that is not a couple we want to swing with....otherwise we are begging for drama.

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Thanks for all the replies!

 

Regarding the relationship between the two guys: Things have been getting better since the "break up" and we're all working on building back / up a foundation, including the guys. We're hanging out more as a group and the guys are communicating more independent of the girls.

 

Regarding counseling: The wife and I view counseling very different from most people: We try to do it more as preventative / proactive vs. reactive to try to solve big problems. We view it the same as oil changes in a car: You do it regularly even if you don't think you necessarily need to. :)

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Update:

 

Well, it's been a few months and a LOT has happened.

 

We've all been doing separate dates for a while and for the most part they've been fun.

 

Parties have often been awkward and a bit of drama, but we chalk that up to a combo of newness and alcohol influence.

 

One BIG development: The other couple has split up, but are still "good friends" and living together. The girl says it's been a long time coming and they both seem mostly ok with the situation. It's had some good and bad impacts on the foursome. Cons: The four of us don't hang out nearly as much... almost not at all. It's sometimes awkward when I go down to hang out with her at "their" house and he's there. Pros: No more stressing / worrying about the 4 of us hanging out, coordinating everything, etc.

 

We're not sure how sustainable this all is, but we're moving along.

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Well, we've pretty much called it quits with these two.

 

It's just been hard maintaining all the relationships, but most of all it seemed like the Mrs. and my primary relationship with each other was starting to be impacted by our constant focus on the other two individuals.

 

It's REALLY been difficult for both of us to stay away from them since we had really good connections, but we feel it's best for our relationship that we cut the ties.

 

So, how do you know when the risk of problems with the primary relationship are worth the rewards of maintaining secondary relationships?

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So, how do you know when the risk of problems with the primary relationship are worth the rewards of maintaining secondary relationships?

 

Strictly IMO, the moment you find yourself asking that question is the moment the risk has already become too great and you need to step back and reassess.

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NYflirts ... thanks for sharing your experience. I'm a ploy single and I always try to ahve a good talk with any guys the ladies are involved with when we are at the same event.

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So after reading all this for the first time I have to ask, what do you take from this experience? Is poly something you look forward to trying again sometime? Something you'll be seeking or avoiding?

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Strictly IMO, the moment you find yourself asking that question is the moment the risk has already become too great and you need to step back and reassess.

 

I would tent to agree, but I'm the type that overthinks everything and worries all the time about the risks and rewards of anything I do (I'm neurotic like that). So, if I stepped back anytime I asked that question, I probably wouldn't be married, have my own business, or gotten into swinging. Almost everything has risk... it's just a question of managing that risk properly.

 

I don't think the rewards of a secondary relationship are ever worth any risk to the primary relationship.

 

Similar to the above, there is risk (either direct or indirect... conscious or subconscious) to pretty much all the stuff discussed on this site. It's just up to each individual and couple to determine which risks are worth which rewards.

 

So after reading all this for the first time I have to ask, what do you take from this experience? Is poly something you look forward to trying again sometime? Something you'll be seeking or avoiding?

 

GREAT question!! It's not really something I look forward to again. It was a LOT of work and stress on our relationship. Hell, a single hard-core relationship is hard, but managing a poly relationship AND a primary relationship... wow! I'm not saying that we'll totally avoid it in the future, but I definitely don't expect to seek it out!

 

 

By way of update: We're both really wanting to re-engage with these two. We both miss them. My worry (again, it's what I do) is that we'll think everything's cool with us, proceed with them, and not realize we've been looking through a skewed / biased lens. The girl has messaged me a few times and I've mostly ignored.

 

I guess the next questions are:

 

1) How do we know when the Mrs. and I are "solid enough" to re-engage with that couple (if we even should)?

2) How will we know that we're not just fooling ourselves into thinking things are ok so we can be with them?

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      My wife and I are contemplating swinging. I really enjoy performing anilingus and cunilingus on my wife, and I would be willing to do both on other women. I am wondering if these practices are accepted within the swinging lifestyle.
    • By StartingOver60
      My wife and I went to a Lifestyle get-together last weekend.  When we got there, we mingled and as it turned out, my wife meet a couple.  She was sitting next to them having drinks, laughing, and having a good time.  I walked over she introduced me.  I sat next to his wife, and we were all enjoying the evening.   
       
      The other wife and I got up to get some drinks and we chatted at the bar.  "It looks like my wife has taking a liking to your husband," I said.  "Yes, they both are," she replied.  I asked, "Do you think you guys would like to come over to our house and we could continue the party there?"  She politely made it very clear she was not interested in having sex tonight.  I said, "OK, thanks for the heads up."
       
      As we sat there at the bar a friend come over to say hello.  She got up excused herself and returned to the table with her husband and my wife.  
       
      As the evening progressed my wife came over to me at the bar and told me she invited them to come home with us.  I was a bit confused but said sure.   We all left together, my wife in his car, and his wife in my car.  Our conversation during the drive was very nice and easy, and I thought she had changed her mind.  In the club, I could see my wife was very excited to be with her new friend.  
       
      We got to our house and sat around and had some drinks. All seemed to be good. However, when we decide to go upstairs, his wife restated she was not interested in playing tonight. My wife and I left them in the room to talk, and when we came back, he apologized and said sharing tonight is not going to happen.  I felt bad for my wife who was starry eyed at this guy.  He was telling her she looked like a women who was beautiful and fun, and he was very much looking forward to being with her tonight but maybe some other time. 
       
      My wife and I went in the kitchen to get some drinks for everyone, and I explained to her that the other wife had told me she was not interested in the bar.  "I thought she changed her mind, but I guess not," I explained. "I see you want this guy.  I don’t want you to be disappointed, I see and feel the attraction you two have.  When we go back into the room why don’t you ask him if he wants to see the view from our bedroom? That is our usual break the ice move to get things started.  I think this was his game plan all along to be with you even though she was not participating.  But I’m OK with it for your pleasure."
       
      I saw how hot she was for him. So I thought to myself don’t screw this up for her, she should get to enjoy the moment. 
       
      He jumped at the request, and they were off.  I sat with his wife and said, "Are you ok with them going upstairs because I don’t think they care about the view?".  She did not say anything but also did not object to what was going to happen. 
       
      As it goes, my wife had a great experience, so they were up there for an hour. I am sure they enjoyed each other.  When they came down my wife gave me a sweet kiss. We sat for a while then all politely said goodbye.
       
      The next weekend we went to a party at our friends' house. It was a vanilla evening but a number of friends were there.  We had played with the host couple once before, but tonight was not that type of party. 
       
      The next morning my wife realized she left her purse at Tim and Jean's house.  She asked me to go and pick it up.  I said I would on the way back from my bike ride.  On the way back I detoured and stopped at the house.  Jean answered the door and asked me in.  She asked if I would like a cup of coffee, I said sure.  I asked where Tim was, and she said he had left early this morning for an overnight ski trip with some of his buddies. 
       
      We were in the kitchen and Jean was filling the coffee cups. I was looking at her in her robe as she delivered the hot coffee.  We sipped the coffee and chatted but my thoughts while looking at this beautiful woman, came out of my mouth, “Are you wearing anything under that robe?”  She smiled and got up and brought her cup to the sink.  She walked back to the table where I was sitting and said, "You will have to find out for yourself."  I was stunned thinking she was kidding.  She said again,  "All it takes to find out is to pull the robe's belt and open the robe."
       
      She stood in front of me as I sat in the chair. I pulled the robe belt and opened slowly opened the robe.  She was naked and moved her chair in front of me and opened the robe and leaned forward and kissed me deep.  She moved my head down into her crotch and I got on my knees and went at it not believing what was happening.  She was enjoying the moment, she moaned she was coming and squeezed her legs around my head. 
       
      When she released my head from the grasp of her legs she took my hand and brought me into her bedroom.  She sat on the bed as I undressed. I rubbed her legs gently and picked them up high and spread them apart, she fell back, and I penetrated that wet beautiful tasting pussy. 
       
      I pounded her over and over and when I stopped I got on the bed.  I laid on my back and she put my hard cock in her mouth and started sucking me and would not stop until I came, and she told me how good I taste.  We laid there for a few minutes not speaking and I was ready again and I turned her on her side and lifted one leg over my shoulder and began pounding her again.  We went on for awhile and she had another orgasm and told me to cum inside her.  She got on top and pounded me and made me explode inside her. 
       
      We laid there together for a while, eyes closed resting, when her phone rang.  It was Tim, he made it to the mountains and just checking in.  I was feeling bad for what just happened, but it was a great experience.  She repeated out loud what Tim asked - "What are you doing?" Jean replied - "Well, Allan stopped over to pick up Susan’s purse she left over here last night.  I invited him in and we had a cup of coffee.  I was in my robe and one thing led to another and I had Allan’s face in my crotch. Then we took it to the bedroom, and we had a giant orgasmic experience.  I will tell you all about it when you get home.  Are you OK with this?  Good, I will tell Allan.  Have fun skiing.”
       
      So, in discussing this with Jane I said I was shocked at what she just told Tim.  She said, “We are always honest with each other.  It will be so hot when he returns home, I will be in for another great time.  So, I am also going to be honest with you.  You wife left the purse here on purpose.  She asked me if I would give you some great sex because you were a sweetheart last weekend.  You worked it out so she could be with the gentleman she picked up at the club and she felt that you missed out, so she came up with this idea.  But please understand, I was looking forward to it and it was a fantastic morning fuck with a good friend.  Tim was not aware of this, but I will work it out with him when I explain the story.  Susan said she the four of us can get together, or she will get with Tim alone if he prefers and you are OK with it.  You have a great caring wife Allan.  Please tell her thanks for including me in this scheme.”
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