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The fluid comes from the bladder, so it would be natural to think it is piss. On the other hand, it doesn't smell like urine, and I understand it doesn't taste like it either. I also understand it can happen when the bladder is empty. For me, because it comes from the bladder doesn't mean its piss.

I think this has been said many times in this forum..... Swinging doesn't solve your problems, it shines a huge spot light on them. Having children isn't going to fix insecurity issues she is having. When we first joined, I asked about jealousy, as K was concerned she might be jealous if I was with another female. She thought it might be ok for her to go ahead with another male, as did I. The advice given to us was sound.....she shouldn't swing until she is comfortable with me doing it too. It isn't worth the risk in case she changes her mind because if she didn't I would resent her for it. What I see is you're gambling with her desire to have children, and hedging your bet you can continue in the LS later. I honestly don't think you're ready for children. Your comment "Suppose I'm a little paranoid about the subject, several ex partner have promised we can explore swinging together and then once they have moved in and got the feet under the table they change their minds and try and cancel it all off." is a huge red flag. Who's to say this partner won't do the same. I would predict that if you had the children, and the jealousy issue doesn't go away, that will be the death strike to your relationship as you will resent her and the children, who will suffer the most. I think you need to resolve this one way or the other before you have kids....and she may even change her mind later which you need to be okay with.

In my earlier life I was married, and she wanted children - me not so much. Ultimately it was a big factor in our divorce, and to this day she is upset with me for not having a child with her because the opportunity for her to have kids passed. I think you need to determine your priorities. Not to sound harsh, but you want your cake and eat it too, and as others have pointed out I don't think you are really listening to her. I also think you need to ask yourself if you are potentially willing to give up the LS in order to have a family, with the small chance you can return to the LS later - and you may never return to it. Here's another way to view it.....you may be asking her to give up having children so you can continue in the LS. She is asking you to potentially give up the LS to have children. Not an easy decision. C

C here. If that were true, he would have been completely open from the start of the conversation. In this case, I don't think the 'creep' was completely forthright....

This is C. It has been some time since I've been to a strip club. There is another site called TERB where you can get reviews on the local strip club, massage parlour, and things like that. I recommend you go to that site. njbm I think you're talking about the Distillery District. I have not been, but hear its a great place. There are lots of things in downtown TO; CN Tower, Ripley's Aquarium, etc. This site might be good. Downtown Yonge | Neighbourhoods | Tourism Toronto

We live west of downtown Toronto, in the Mississauga / Oakville area, and there is a higher concentration of clubs in this end of Toronto. I would suggest not staying downtown. There is a lot of construction going on right now on the main freeway from downtown to my area. Google Gardiner Expressway and QEW. Living here, I avoid driving downtown as much as possible. It might be wise to find a hotel near a GO transit station in the Mississauga area, as there are trains running every 30 minutes into Union Station downtown, and you can catch subways and streetcars from there quite easily should you wish to visit downtown. If you're flying into Pearson Airport, it is north of Mississauga as well.

There is one downtown called Oasis Aqualounge. Great place, and a good, non-pressure introduction to a club. I believe its open most days. The other is probably X Club, not downtown and I think open primarily at night.

What if you looked at it like she is having her way with him? C.

Try to remember you did NOT deserve this in any way.....easy for me to say, but please try.

Is a cocksleeve a condom? C.

This^^^^^ and perhaps a positive experience would help you get back in the 'swing' of things. Pun intended. It may be worth making sure you and hubby stick close together the next few events. C

Hi.....no, it's not that at all. She opened up to K as soon as she knew we were open to the LS. She told K about her experiences at a local nudist colony and some swinger clubs. She mentioned that she hosts a party once a month for a group that meets to explore and have adult fun.

Thanks....that's an interesting observation.

Thanks all so far.....we have a strong relationship with lots of conversation and this insight really helps. C

Hi.....newbie here. As I mentioned in other threads, K and I are pretty new to the scene. All of your insight is appreciated! One time at a club, we were in the play area doing our own thing. Shortly other couples were around us. One couple in particular was close, and he seemed interested in K, and they were close enough they touched hands. I took K's hand and put it in his. We had agreed before going to the club, we would not get involved with other couples. In this situation though, I asked her if she wanted to give him a bj....to which she said 'Yes'. She went doggy style, and I fucked her for a few minutes while she gave him a bj. Needless to say, I was extremely turned on. My question (sorry for being so long), did any men find it more difficult to watch her fucking another man the first time than it was to watch her give him a bj? I ask because I want to be as prepared as possible. Many thanks.. C