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  1. We've been to Desire Resorts (both in Cancun) numerous times and go 2-3X per year. Never have we felt unsafe. I would be more concerned about many of the cities in the US than I am in Quanta Roo. We don't venture into Cancun except getting to the airport from Desire. If you are wanting the "upscale" experience, then Desire Pearl is your choice. RM is ok but lots of construction for upgrades now. Cruises: We have been on 16 lifestyle cruises chartered by 6 different companies. The cruises are not all the same in terms of experience so your choice may be different than what others recommend. So here is a summary of our experiences: Companies that charter Clothing Optional / Lifestyle friendly cruises: Bliss / SDC / Rockstar / Desire / LLV / Couples Cruise (no longer doing cruises) Difference between Bliss ( booking the larger ships) and the others (booking smaller ships): Bliss: Mainly Caribbean and larger ships (figure 2300-5200 per ship. Popular because they leave FL so travel is easier. Can be intense with loads of people and makes it difficult to find a couple later because of the sheer size. Muliple playrooms. Less expensive ~$4200 for 7 night balacony cabin. Drink pkgs can be expensive and run over $1000 extra for your cabin (both have to purchase a pkg even if only one wants to drink). Others: A wide variety of intineraries (Europe, South Pacific, South America). Ships are smaller with 700-1000 per ship. More expensive at ~$8000 for a 7 night balcony cabin but drink pkg is included. More intimate - easier to meet and find couples the whole cruise. Food is better then the Royal Caribbean/Celebrity ships Bliss charters. We prefer these cruises over Bliss because of the wide variety of ports each day and each trip and the ship size and vibe. Who to book with: We book exclusively through Lynn at The Swinger Cruise. Her site www.theswingercruise.com shows 14 different cruise options for 2024 and she books a lot of cabins on each. We've tried other agencies but she does the best job. She has booked over 100 Clothing Optional cruises over their 13 or so years of buisness. Feel free to reach out to us on any questions. We are not travel agents or affiliates. Just a couple that have experienced a number of venues and experiences.
  2. We are on the Desire Greek Island cruise Aug 26-Sept 2, 2023 if that is the one you are referring to. We've been on 12 lifestyle cruises including a Desire cruise last year out of Lisbon. Of all of the LS cruises we've done, we like the Desire cruises as the best for several reasons: 1. Smaller ship (they use the Azamara Lines) which has ~350 cabins or 700 people. Compare that to cruises like Bliss that have from 2,300 to over 5,000 on board and you can see that the Desire cruise will be more intimate and easier to meet and find couples. 2. Cruise package includes the Premium drink package or you can upgrade to the Ultimate package if you like 3. Desire brings a select group of Play Makers on board from the resorts so the program is always active. Now about lifestyle cruises in general: 1. Theme nights each night and most dress for theme nights but not required. Personal experience says that if you do dress in theme, you'll invite more interaction. 2. Dinner dress is as sexy as you want without being topless and bottomless. Short and sheer work well. Wear those sexy dresses that never see the light of day at home. 3. Pools are clothing optional while at sea. While at port, it can depend on the port and if ships are docked next to ours. 4. There is a playroom that is active. No sexual activity allowed around the pool at any time. Only the playroom and your cabin. 5. We are at ports most days so the day time is port focused with tours and such. The evening back on the ship shifts into adult party time. 6. You will find all ages and body types on board but most passengers will be in the 40's and 50's age group. Some lower and some higher. 7. You don't have to be in the lifestyle to enjoy the cruise. There will be a mix of swingers, nudists and couples that just want a sexy vacation in a sexy vibe. No pressure. Other notes for those that have not cruised or cruised little... arrive at least ONE day early. For Europe, we plan 2 days early to mitigate lost luggage and delayed flights. It's happened to us on trips to Europe where we arrived over 24 hrs later than planned. Check to see if there are special events going on in Athens during arrival and departure dates. Special events will book up hotels early so make hotel reservations ASAP. We are also going on the Desire Venice cruise in May and Venice is booked up for hotels long ago due to a special event taking place there. An option to consider is a special Pre Cruise event that the agency we use to book with is putting on in Athens. A 2-3 day option including hotel, transfers and some excursions and meals. We've booked several with her and like it as much as the cruise. Feel free to reach out on any questions.
  3. lnw

    The new couple

    We've been that "first" couple for several newbies. But not until we've had some conversation time and we all felt comfortable together. We also learned from a couple of newbie couples what to look for in them as a couple (are they both on board equally, are they into each other as much, they are comfortable seeing each other have sex with someone else...). Handled right with the right couple, being a couple's "first" can be a rewarding experience for all.
  4. First full swap couple was not planned and was a couple of weeks after we had our first soft swap experience. Was on a lifestyle cruise, had dinner with a couple, liked them and we ended up in our cabin. We were newbies and did not know about talking about boundaries and such at the time so it was a surprise when the other husband pulls out a couple of condoms and hands one to me. I am thinking "oh shit, what now" and asked my wife if she was good with it. To my surprise, she said yes and off we went. While we would like to say the first time was great, it wasn't. But thank heavens, that didn't deter us from meeting other couples and going again. That was 5 yrs ago and we've embraced the LS and know how to avoid those kinds of encounters now.
  5. We go with Pandora and enjoy Cantoma Radio or Poolside
  6. Before registering and paying for a hotel takeover event, ask if the pool will be clothing optional. We registered for a 4 days hotel takeover (500 rooms booked with swingers) and even though it was fully booked for the event, the pool was NOT clothing nor top optional. Sure puts a damper on the daytime potential. Friends of ours also booked for a hotel takeover in Cancun in May. I suggested they check about the pool being clothing optional and, sure enough, it was not. They are debating about going now even though it would mean lose of their deposit if they cancelled.
  7. Our best bet was putting a "Hot Date" note out on SLS. Same thing for Kasidie and SDC. We've met locals as well as those traveling like we were. Also, try Whispers or Playhouse LV but be sure to register first with PlayhouseLV. Skip the old Red Rooster / Green Door thing.
  8. The press gives Cancun a bad rap because it creates a lot of clicks. Just like a sickness breakout on a cruise ship. But she has to look at the data herself and make a decision. Homicide rate per 100,000 people by city: St Louis 60.9 Baltimore 51.0 Detroit 38.9 New Orleans 37.1 Memphis 28.5 Kansas City 27.8 Newark 26.6 Washington 22.8 Cleveland 22.4 Philadelphia 22.1 Buffalo 22.1 Chicago 20.7 . . . Cancun 12.7 Cancun is safer than other cities based upon homicide rates including Tulsa, Ft Wayne, Oakland, Milwaukee and Atlanta. We stay on resort property except for the beach walk down to Puerto Morelos.
  9. Some data on age in the lifestyle. This is from 3 swinger cruises so it may not represent data in the country in general since doing a swinger cruise requires free time and some disposable cash (week long cruise is around $4,500 per cabin plus drinks). 20's 5% of the attendees 30's 20% 40's 39% 50's 28% 60's 5% 70+ 1%
  10. First, you need to tell them. Making something up like "taking time off" will backfire when they run into you playing with others. They will ask again to play and you are back to square one. Adamgunn's approach is the best one. But also realize the just being friends is most likely not going to work out since the other couple will only think of "rejection" each time they see or get with you on a friendly type basis. And don't lead on with sexy teases after you told them. We had a couple we really liked and played with a number of times (we were their first couple in fact). But they gave us the "we just want to be friends now" speech. We were glad they told us and respected that. But then, each time we would see them, he would go into a deep passionate kiss with my wife like nothing changed. I told her to not respond to that and not allow him that kind of kiss. Friends don't do that and they can't have it both ways. We have moved on and you should too.
  11. We've not been to NIN and most likely will not go for the reason you noted...lack of central places to meet people. We've been on a number of lifestyle cruises as well as several trips to Desire. And they were all better than hotel takeovers in our mind. We did the Vegas Exchange a few years ago at the Alexis Park All Suite Resort. The event was sold out, a couple of pools at the resort. One restaurant and not that great so many people scattered to off property for dinner. If you did not make connections at the pool, you were on your own. And the pool was not clothing optional so another factor diminishing the experience. On the cruises and at Desire, it is contained and easy to run into people the entire trip. The Vegas Exchange was in August - have never been exposed to such heat in our lives and we should have known better. We've been to NO and Bourbon Street in April and the smell was awful. Can only imagine it in July with more heat and humidity. Still, others go and recommend it. Different strokes...
  12. Black ring story - Was at Desire last year in the pool. Started chatting with a nice looking couple and noticed they each had on a black ring. So I asked them how long they had been in the lifestyle. A pretty sensible question since they were nude, in a pool at Desire, and wearing black rings. She said no that they were not in the lifestyle and then asked why I asked. I told them about the black rings and all. The look on their faces was priceless! The next day, they had on different color rings. We saw them several times during the trip and laughed about the encounter all week long. So you can not tell unless you ask up front.
  13. Next time, book a lifestyle cruise... a target rich area! But you will have to plan out as they fill as much as a year in advance. Many are sold out for 2020 now.
  14. We just finished our 9th trip to Desire and spent 4 days at RM followed by 4 days at Pearl. We liked Pearl better but you will find others that like RM better. And yes, it depends upon the crowd there at the time. We made sure to have a Friday night at RM and a Saturday night at Pearl since the weekends are usually at capacity. This time, we saw more action at Pearl than RM. What we like about RM: More rooms (114) so more people to interact with. Habatchi grill is the best. What we don't like about RM: Jacuzzi and Disco are on the second story meaning stairs. Stairs are not conducive to heels and alcohol. And the jacuzzi is very small. What we like about Pearl: Rooms are nicer and bigger (88 rooms). Pool and jacuzzi are much larger. Disco is off the main lobby so easy to get to and move about. What we don't like about Pearl: The DJ in the club at night is the worst. Does not read the crowd well for music and, as such, the club empties an hour after it opens. Many head down to the jacuzzi for late night fun. We don't do Temptation nor Hedo because they allow single guys there. Unfortunately, many of those guys do not know the protocol when interacting with women and figure because a woman is there, it is a free for all. Too many stories from couples we spoke to that have gone there.
  15. We've been to both resorts and just returned last night from 8 nights at Desire (4 at RM and 4 at Pearl). We had Friday night at RM as our last night and Saturday night at Pearl as our first night so we could experience a weekend night at each. We have been to Pearl a number of times before for a week at a time. It is true that the vibe is set by the crowd that is there at the time. We saw more action going on at Pearl on Saturday than we did the whole 4 days we were at RM. Ages varied at both as well as bodies style so don't plan on a "hard body" setting at either. Each person you ask will have their preferences and we find an even mix between Pearl and RM preferences. If you can swing it, we would suggest 4 days at each. Any shorter than that and you really don't get into the swing of things (no pun intended). If you can't spend at least 4 days at each, then pick the one and stay there. Pearl: Nicer rooms (88 total), more open space on the grounds, huge pool and giant jacuzzi, we think the disco club is better in size/layout, RM: Maybe better beach, 114 rooms but varying degrees of style from spartan to luxurious, small pool and jacuzzi, disco and jacuzzi up a flight of stairs (not a good combo with sexy heels and drinking). Habatchi grill is very good. Staff at both are top notch. You can't go wrong with either. Remember - even a bad day at Desire beats a great day anywhere else every time! :)
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