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  1. I had a fricking BLAST!!!!!!!!! Not sure how 'MADHUS369' came away thinking I didn't. Since that night we've had another MMF and it surpassed the first by leaps and bounds. But that's another story. We actually met someone online, who had some nice 'certs', and we decided to 'go for it'. It was incredible. Scott & JoAnn
  2. For what it's worth I tried Cialis and found it nowhere compared to Viagra. Most guys I've talked to, who use these drugs recreationally, say the same. With Cialis I didn't even notice a difference, with Viagra I was an Easton bat until even the next morning. Sounds like we need a poll LOL! Scott
  3. Active here. MFM last Saturday (our 1st). Supposed to have had a MFM last night, but it got pushed to tonight. It's fun talking to the wife about fantasies...mine and hers. Scott & JoAnn
  4. You worry too much. I've never had a problem, but a girl who works for me, a couple years ago was dating a pharmacist, and she brought me a pill (she knew I had never tried it). Now remember, I've never had an issue getting hard. I've had issues getting soft, but that's another story. Anyway I tried the 'blue pill'...oh my god Does the meaning Easton Bat mean anything? I was rock hard for hours. I did have the yellowish vision thing and a headache afterwards, but here's what I did. My next visit to the doc for my lipid profile check (cholesterol meds), I simply said to the Physician Assistant (PA), "can I try Viagra". That simple. His response "sure". Deal done. Period. I now have a refillable prescription. Additionally, IF I use it, I only take half a pill. Results: Same. Hard Cock useful for LONG sessions, and no yellow vision or headaches. Anyway, just be yourself, and simply ask the PA/GP for a prescription. It's that easy. You don't need a reason or explanation, just asking it is obvious what the reason is. The doc knows this and is not going to get into your erection history, nor does he want to. Most insurers don't cover Viagra, so you pay the full price, so the HMO/PPO/or your private insurer doesn't give a crap about the prescription being written (in most cases). Neither does the doc. Scott
  5. Gotta agree. We are new to this, haven't had a full couple swap, wife just isn't comfy with the woman thing (yet), and we had a good time with our first (and only) MMF. We've another tentatively set for tonight (a young Irish lad ). Your point about "they're easy to find" is absolutely true. The internet is a wonderful thing. Preview profiles, check out their pics, review their certs, and connect if you like what you see. We've had LOTS of single guys emailing us (SLS site) and we've also 'shopped' and found some we are talking to. The wife is opening up more, we are talking more, our marriage has taken on a new vigor and funness. Life is good.
  6. Never say never, but in your case I'd say you have no chance and you are wasting you time.
  7. dandawest, Congratulations are in order! 40 LBS in 9 months is great! I am assuming your 'numbers' are also satisfacory and that you are noticing other benefits. Has your GP/Endo followed up with complete metabolic profiles? Have your markers improved? My guess is after being on Byetta for 9 months the answer is YES. Have you noticed increased activity levels? If I might ask what meds were you on prior to the Byetta and have you been able to reduce or discontinue any of them? Additionally, are you being treated by a GP or Endo? Have you had a C-peptide test? THIS is important and GPs and even most endo's will not request this test. C-peptide, once thought to be a throwaway peptide, had been for years an enigma. If this peptide was unnecessary, why does it persist in serum? The evidence now is that C-peptide has important physiological roles in maintaining cell health. Many of the papers cited even provide evidence that C-peptide might play a small role in improving glycemic control, possibly by enhancing insulin activity. It has been recommended that large-scale clinical trials to bring C-peptide into the clinical arena should be implemented (Sima, 2003). An alternative might come from a potential benefit of treatment with Byetta. It has already been established that Byetta improves beta cell health and restores first response activity of insulin in type 2 diabetics. This would be expected to result in an increase in C-peptide along with the increase in endogenous insulin. At the least, the possibility of improving both insulin and C-peptide by giving a single drug could be beneficial to type 2 patients who are failing to control serum glucose with oral medications. Yet it is also known that many of the complications of diabetes such as neuropathy, retinopathy, renopathy, and microvascular disease have begun long before patients lose their responsiveness to oral medications. THIS is the point I was trying to make in prior posts, that the earlier the introduction of Byetta, the better the payoff later on...FRAM "pay me now or pay me later". The cumulative effect of years of C-peptide deficiency, on top of the suboptimal glycemic control inherent to the disease, has set these complications in motion. If so, then drugs (Metformin/Sulfonyreas/Januvia) that are directed at insulin sensitivity are not the best way to prevent complications. The only way currently available to increase C-peptide in diabetics is to stimulate insulin production, and Byetta is the only drug so far that has been shown to not only stimulate insulin production, but also improve beta cell health. It would seem, then, that some careful thought should be given to introducing Byetta much earlier than when patients are failing oral medications. Again, those who are diabetic or newly diagnosed, should be better informed on treatment options. IMHO, there is only one. Byetta for T2's. Symlin for T1's. Scott
  8. Nope...but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Scott
  9. This has actually been done. It is also a subject of discussion on how drup companies report data from the various trials of therapies in developments. What Amylin did when they were in the development and trial stages with Byetta, was to be very specific on WHO they entered into their trials. They selected individuals who were FAILING their existing medication and who were also involved in exercise intervention, but still could not achieve adequate glucose control. In other words, these folks are already doing everything they can to achieve control, but can't do it. Enter Byetta. Byetta was added to the medications of these folks. Amazingly the majority achieved glucose numbers With weight loss comes better overall metabolic control (lipid profiles), less stress on joints (fewer aches/pains), which naturally will allow folks to feel better and become more active. There have been additional effects that have been reported on many diabetic blogs for those using Byetta. Some of these include better vision, arthritic conditions deminished, endema diminished, less joint swelling, and yes...those with ED have reported fewer incidents. The nausea/diarrhea you mention are well documented side effects that are shown to be transient and diminish in a week or two. Most, not all, of the nausea has been reported to actually be a feeling of 'fullness'. Byetta acts on the brain receptors that tell you that you are hungary. Habits are hard to break. Byetta will tell your brain you are full, but until you adjust WHEN you inject before the meal, you may eat your 3 plates of food BEFORE the Byetta kicks in telling you that you are full. Translation...you have now overeaten and feel uncomfortably full or nausea. Physicians are recommending injecting earlier before your meals (45 minutes). Eventually you will adjust and only eat one plate of food and feel full. This is how the weight loss is occuring, NOT by throwing up or diarrea. Byetta will transform how diabetes is treated. It is just that it is a complete paradigm change for the medical community. Physician education is needed. Byetta should be the first therapy initiated once a diabetic is diagnosed. NOT the last therapy after all else has failed. Reason: Metformin/sulfunyrea are bandaids and only slow progression of the disease. Byetta not only immediately allows one to achieve glucose control and mitigate weight issues, but two areas which are rarely discussed and weigh heavily (pun intended) for a diabetic, are post prandial glucose excursions (glucose fluxuation) and beta cell health. Glucolse fluxuations occur after meals. Sugar levels swing wildly. Byetta absolutely keeps these in a narrower band, which is better for all your major organs/overall health. Metformin does not offer control of your post prandial excursions anywhere close to what Byetta does. This is well documented. Beta cell health is the 'Holy Grail'. This is what produces your insulin. Byetta appears, studies to confirm out soon from NIH, to restore beta cell function. NO OTHER MEDICATION ON EARTH DOES THIS...PERIOD. So it's almost like the old FRAM commercials, "you can pay me now, or pay me later". The earlier Byetta is initiated, the less you will be paying later in life, with regards to diabetic complications...and we all know what they are and how bad they can be. The problem with Byetta, is actually a problem with people. People like pills vs needles. Now Byetta IS an injectible, however, not a traditional injectible. It comes in a pen...looks like a marker. It has 30 injections in it. It is administered 2 times a day, just prior to a meal. Majority report they can not even feel the injection and have a hard time knowing if it went in or not until used to the process. Additionally, health providers prescribe the most inexpensive medications. Byetta is not cheap, may not be on some formularies, and you may have to fight to get it. It IS getting easier. You just have to be informed and find the right physician. GPs/PAs (general practicioners/physician assistants) are medical 'handymen' and are NOT informed as to how to prescribe other than those therapies used for decades. My recommendation for those borderline diabetic or beyond. Find a KNOWLEDGEABLE endocrinolgist. One who knows about Byetta and has experience with it. For those with T1, I'd suggest the above, but ask about Symlin for your treatment regimene. Regards, Scott
  10. Byetta & Pancreatitis was a subject that was brought up and mostly pursued by brokerage houses on Wall Street who were 'short' shares of AMLN. After studying the FACTS it is apparent that there is a LOWER indication of pancreantitis in Byetta users than in the overall diabetic or obese population. The incidence rate of pancreantitis is actually LOWER in Byetta users. I am venturing a guess you were misinformed by a GP or uneducated endo. According to the National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases (NIDDK) about 80,000 cases of acute pancreatitis occur in the United States each year. That is a rate of about one case per 3750 persons. Thirty cases of acute pancreatitis would be expected in the general population for every 112500 person years. The first question is, for how many person years has Byetta been used? Then based on that number, what would be the expected number of acute pancreatitis cases? It might be possible to make an accurate estimate of Byetta person-year usage based on the total scrip data. Those data indicate that about 200,000 people were using Byetta as of January 1, 2006, and that about 450,000 people are now using it. That gives about 600,000 patient years of experience with Byetta since launch. Using the rate of acute pancreatitis in the general population, about 160 cases of pancreatitis would have been expected in a random sampling of this size. However, pancreatitis is more prevalent among diabetics than the general population, and studies have also found that obesity increases the risk of pancreatitis by about ten percent for each 5 units of BMI, and also increased risk of other pancreas-related disorders (1,2,3). Considering the use pattern of Byetta, and its beneficial side effect weight loss along with the problem of obesity in diabetes, it is safe assume that a large factor in prescribing Byetta is weight loss, and that the average BMI of Byetta users is much higher than the target of 21-25. An average BMI of 35 would give a composite increased risk based on obesity alone of 20 percent, and about 192 cases of acute pancreatitis would have been expected. Diabetes itself also increases the risk of pancreatitis, so it is clear that a reported number of thirty during the period since Byetta launch is far below the expected levels and supports the notion that Byetta has an overall protective effect against pancreatitis among diabetics. Adding to that is the fact that many other drugs contribute to pancreatitis risk, including many that are commonly prescribed for diabetes. According to a Swedish study (2) the use of glyburide (Micronase, a sulfonylurea drug) increase the risk of pancreatitis by two and a half fold. This effect was noted as early as 1975 with another sulfonylurea drug, tolbutamide (4). Since the initial approval for Byetta was for use in conjunction with metformin and/or sulfonylurea drugs it is certain that many Byetta users were using other drugs that increased their risk. Thus well over 200 cases of pancreatitis should have occurred among Byetta users so far. Also in the FDA report is data that not all of the pancreatitis sufferers had a quick recovery, although most did. About 80 percent recovered without further intervention, which is about the overall recovery rate according to the NIDDK, so this does not point to any added risk of a poor prognosis. In addition, obesity is not just a risk factor of developing pancreatitis, but also in the severity of the disorder (5), and again with a prevalently obese cohort using Byetta the rate of recovery is not alarming. Could Byetta be a contributing factor in some cases of pancreatitis? It is entirely possible, but the overall risk benefit analysis seems weighted in Byetta’s favor. The reported occurrence of pancreatitis was much lower in diabetics using Byetta than would have been expected considering just the added risk due to diabetes and obesity. Other drugs such as Orlistat (6), used to treat obesity, and Captopril (7), used to treat high blood pressure, for example, could also increase the risk in some persons. Only by a full understanding of all these potential contributing factors can Byetta be accurately assessed vis a vis pancreatitis. More needs to be known, yet at this stage it seems it is better to use Byetta than not to. Finally, what could this mean for Byetta LAR? It is too early to tell how that program might be effected, but consider the only published case study of a person effected by pancreatitis while using Byetta (8). The patient developed symptoms of pancreatitis very soon after initiating Byetta treatment, and then was removed from all drug treatment, including other drugs that have a known effect of increasing pancreatitis risk. The case resolved itself quickly with no need for intervention. Although pancreatitis recurred after Byetta was reintroduced, the authors conclude that the other drugs cannot be ruled out as contributory. Thus, all that can be said is an association between Byetta use in this case and pancreatitis, not a cause and effect relationship. As for Byetta LAR, patients would likely not begin incretin therapy with the long acting version. It would be more prudent regardless of a potential pancreatitis issue to start with a low dose of Byetta, and titrate it to allow the patient to acclimate to the therapy. Only then would Byetta LAR be introduced, and by then it would be unlikely that an adverse event would occur. Scott
  11. Took me awhile to get used to it, but the wife liked it...now I can't imagine going back. Initially had the 'shaving bumps' issue. Now I use an electric shaver on the area between my navel and cock. Razor in the shower for cock and balls. No bumps, just SMOOOOOOTH. Scott & JoAnn
  12. I had to laugh today watching Fox News. A female reporter was discussing the Reno sex predator murder, when she brought up a "sick fact"..."he has a shaved pubic region"...."we know that's sick, but we want this guy caught". The reason I laughed was because more and more males are shaving. So I thought I'd throw up a poll. I've never posted a poll, so I hope I'm doing this correctly. Here are the choices: 1) I'm shaved and smooth as a baby 2) I keep it closely trimmed 3) I shave my balls 4) I'm natural and need a weed wacker Scott & JoAnn PS...Shaved here!
  13. Well we've really only had one, last Saturday night at a Swinger's Party. I posted my review of the place and our experience in another thread, but I'll put it here too....sorry if it's too long. ********************************************************* As promised, here is our update on our first 'real' swinging experience. I'll call it The Good, The Bad, & the Ugly as it had all 3 components. We did, however, manage to keep a humorous perspective throughout. Well we signed up and attended the Arcadia party on Feb 16th. The site advertises: Most couples are 21-45+, the age range varies for each party. The average age of the single women attending is 21-30. In reality, at least at our party, most attendees were AARP members. To put it mildly, it was mostly a total disappointment. Thank god for 'Elliot', the waterguy. He showed up early, maybe an employee, with a bunch of bottled water for the party. He was a good looking, is shape, guy from England, with a nice HARD cock. The wife had her first MFM with him as everybody watched the 3 us on the bed...of course they all just stood around watching with their clothes on. Anyway, NOBODY was swinging. All stayed as couples. Most left their clothes on. One older fellow fell asleep in a chair. Lots of Asian couples and single guys....strange they all fucked or had oral WITH their clothes on! Mostly older crowd that seemed ok just sitting around talking. I joked with my wife that they will probably start playing bridge soon. Food was decent. Hosts were personable, but dressed NOT to impress. Security guy, I think thats what he was, was a large Hispanic fellow who seemed to be a voyeur. He just walked around and stared at any 'action' going on. Not the most comfortable feeling when a large, clothed Hispanic guy, who looks like he just got out of Pelican Bay is standing over you watching your wife...Yuck! We won't be back. Norm told us when we signed up that 23 couples had reserved. On the way down we called to get the room info and Norm told us that there were 18-19 couples. When we got there we asked how many couples...we were told 15 couples, 8 single guys, and 0 single females (I can see why). On a scale of 1-10 (ten being best), I'd rate it a 1 (it would be 0 if not for Elliot). Bottom line...DON'T GO! The above was The Bad & The Ugly...now for The Good. As described above, we did meet a nice guy, Elliot. Now originally my wife was pretty much convinced she just wanted to 'observe' the goings on in a real swingers party. Upon arrival we changed into our sexy attire...damn she looked HOT. All 100 lbs of her! So we start out on the bed with her on her back and me straddling her face and feeding her my cock. Well as mentioned Elliot, we nicknamed him 'the waterboy', leisurely walked into our room...which was actually a open aired loft on the second story of this particular Residence Inn (Arcadia, CA). Elliot had on boxer shorts and they were STRETCHED straight out, not hiding his VERY hard cock. He walked around the bed a few times and we could tell what he wanted. Eventually he pulled out his cock and held it in his hands, making it very obvious that he wanted to join us in a bad way. I whispered to my wife and asked her if she wanted to do anything with him. The answer was NO. She only wanted to mess around with me. Elliot sensed the futility of it and went downstairs. The wife and I continued to mess around. Me going down on her, her on me, we fucked for awhile...generally putting on a show for the gathering crowd lined up on the walls around the bed. Let me tell you it was weird. They all kept their clothes ON! Well the wife must have been getting a bit hornier as she suddenly told me "well I guess I could give him a hand job. So the door was now a bit open! My fantasy is to see her with another guy and for me Elliot was perfect. Good looking, nice personality, trim, and a cock, that while a bit shorter than mine, it was thicker, curved upward, and HARD AS STEEL. Eventually Elliot made his way back upstairs and I motioned him over to us and explained that we were newbies, my wife has never done anything like this before, but she would like to stroke his cock if that was ok with him. He said that would be fine and he respected her limits (told you he was a nice guy). So Elliot and I both kneel on the bed facing my wife and she takes our cocks in her hands and begins massaging us both. I will tell you the sight of a strange, hard, and thick cock in her hands was very exciting to say the least. This goes on for awhile and I tell her to lie on her back so Elliot and I can each take a side (of her) and it would be easier for her to stroke us. This goes on for a bit and I then move down between her legs. This is where it starts to get good...she is writhing in pleasure, now stroking Elliot's ROCK HARD cock and massaging his balls with both of her hands as I enjoy her pussy and watch her massaging a thick cock. The sight is awesome...but it gets better. Elliot knows she is getting hot and begins, ever so lightly and precariously, to massage her shoulders and eventually moving to her breasts, first with his hands, then his mouth. My wife is now moaning and her pussy is getting REALLY wet. I move my mouth from her wetness as Elliot now begins massaging her clit and finally inserting his fingers into her. I move to give my wife a DEEP French kiss (she loves deep kissing) and now she is really getting worked up. As I move to my wife's head I motion to Elliot to take my place with his mouth...I also whisper to my wife that "he is going to go down on you". She does not argue. As Elliot's mouth is concentrating on my wife's wetness, my wife pulls me towards her and takes my cock into her mouth. Her body is now moving every which way in pleasure and she is moaning even more loudly. NOW I lean over and ask her softly "do you want him to fuck you"? Her response I will never forget...she says innocently..."do you think I should"? I respond YES! I then ask Elliot if he has a rubber and he tells me he does. Knowing what is going to happen, he puts the rubber on. I watch as he does and I realize just how thick he is...he is a bit shorter than my cock, he's about 6 1/2" but thick, and harder than I've been in awhile (hey, I'm 49)...I mean his tool is like steel, curved back towards his stomach, and I can tell his cock is aching (literally) to enter my wife's tiny hole. Now this is also something I will never forget. The sight of my wife's tiny, shaved pussy, and his rock hard cock a few inches away from what has formally been all mine for 32 years (back to high school). I am completely turned on as I watch Elliot move closer and his cock penetrates my wife. Her gasp as he entered was memorable. Elliot started out slowly but then started pounding my wife to the hilt with his fat cock. At one point I leaned over to my wife and asked if she was ok...she just nodded and moaned. Then she did was she rarely has done with me...completely wrapped her legs around Elliot and locked her legs. This was Elliot's clue to really start to hammer her...and he did. My wife then grabbed my thigh, pulled me closer, and took my cock deep into her mouth...it was incredible for me...and all the folks still lining the walls around the bed. Now my wife has only cum a few times via having intercourse, but I could tell she was getting close, and it was turning me on bigtime knowing that it was Elliot's fat cock and his jackhammer action that was bringing her to the brink. I then leaned over and whispered into Elliot's ear to complete my fantasy...I whispered "cum inside her". At that he really went to work. He lowered himself heavily onto my wife and began to go into overdrive. It wasn't long after that he began to moan and groan loudly. I knew what was about to happen. When he came it was obvious to everyone in the 2 story unit what was going on. He stiffened and pushed with all his might into my wife and let out a final exclamatory groan that he had mightily orgasmed into my wife. He then gave my wife a peck on the cheek and said "thank you". I watched as he pulled his still rock hard cock out of my wife and I noticed when he removed the rubber that it looked as if a horse had cum in it. There must have been over 2 inches of sperm in the end of the rubber. So, the night billed as "The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly" did have a VERY GOOD side to it. Oh, I forgot to mention how I 'finished'...I wanted to put my cock inside of her well worn pussy and she went doggy as we put on a heck of a show for the 'wall people'. I finished by pulling out, she lay on her back, and I slowly jacked off (she loves watching me do that) over her wanting mouth. I surveyed the room and it looked like the 'wall people' were hypnotized as they watched me shoot stream after stream of my sperm into my wife's open mouth. Even Elliot was watching and came over to tell me that my wife was one of the hottest women he has ever seen...I thanked him and totally agree! All in all, not bad for our first time out. Now it is off to SMI in March...I am counting the days!
  14. So technically, she has fully swapped by being fucked by another guy in the MFM scenario, but I have not. Anyway, thanks all for the info. We are new and learning.
  15. Don't think you are being rude. Anyway, I was just wondering because we've been asked in emails if we fully swap. I answered no, not yet, but then got to thinking that since we've done the MMF thing, it sure seems like a full swap. After all she was getting fully fucked by the other guy and he did have an orgasm while fucking. I was there as 'support' for her and she was sucking on me, but still it was full on intercourse between the two of them. I just am still trying to figure out the definitions...
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