"Caste System" in the Lifestyle Based on Age/Beauty?

In the Top 100 thread on certifications someone posted the following comment:

If I see that a couple's certs are, for example, mostly 20 or 30-something pretty people, we won't bother with them. (As someone else has already alluded, there is a very definite caste system in the lifestyle, based on age and level of physical attractiveness.)

How many others feel the same way about this?

Obviously most will not get in touch with a couple that doesn't seem attractive to them, but are there many of you that are reluctant to approach a couple because you think they are "out of your league"?

My wife and I are a bit younger than most and many find us quite attractive. While we do want to find our potential playmates attractive... this is of course a subjective thing, and for us, physical beauty is a plus but not even close to our top priority.

We're actually quite open to playing with partners that are 10-15 years older and not of the same physical body type as us. For example we both find women on the curvy side far more appealing than gym rats. Being fit is fine, but too thin is actually a turn off.

I'd hate for a couple to pass us over because they thought we were in a different "caste" than they are.

What's your experience? Do you regularly contact couples that are outside of your own age/shape/looks bracket?

Dante

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YoungMauiCouple at SLS

There is most definately a caste system in the lifestyle.

A majority of couples don't want to 'trade' to far down in terms of looks. This can also apply to money, personality, and education as well. Some couples will be more open to different types of people, but in our area there is most definately the A list B list C list type couples.

Of course this isn't 'bad' its just how people are vanilla or swingers. Now with what you described as people passing you over because they figured they didn't have a chance, thats also understandable. After you have been hurt (and even in swinging, getting rejected because of your looks/age whatever can hurt the ego) you don't want to invite that again, even if it means you will miss out with those few couples that would be interested in you that seem out of your league.

From a drama stand point, this is more of an issue for forums where the arrogance of some of the A list types gets offensive, or where the hurt feelings of the C list types boils over into a rant about all beautiful people. It crops up on this board a bit, but I've seen a LOT of it on LL, to the point where there are a number of attractive people I wouldn't have sex with, with someone elses penis . I've yet to see it manifested in person at a club/event, though I'm sure its had to become an issue at some point, we just haven't been around for it.

As for us, we are B-B+ types and we tend to keep in that group as it seems we have the most in common beyond looks there too. Mrs. Chicup has been doing the gym a lot but while my weight is good, I need to start going back myself if we want to hit that A- look

Edit:The caste system is very evident at events/clubs, just to be clear. The pretty people tend to stay together, and everone gets to their 'level'. It just doesn't seem to cause the same drama you see on line.

I suppose their is some of this but it isn't how we operate. We may not hook up with everyone we interact with but we don't refuse to associate with anyone based on their looks or some other external attribute. As far as finding partners to hook up with goes our only initial requirement is that we find them attractive. Then if we all seem to mesh mentally and on a sexual level we can proceed from there. I will admit though that we have often had others tell us that they wouldn't talk to someone because they didn't think they had a chance with them. That seems kind of defeatist to me. We have also run across several younger couples that have a hard time finding play partners because the older couples assume they wouldn't be interested in them.

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I need to start going back myself if we want to hit that A- look

 

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Dude, come on!

You know you are A list material just based on your personality! facelick

Yes, there is a class system in the lifestyle, but I think that it's not as rigid as people think it is. Sure, we tend to hook up with people who are in the same age range and fitness level as we are, but we like to mingle and talk to everyone. This isn't high school, and band kids and the cheerleaders can mingle with the computer nerds and football players. I think people find comfort in people who look like them and are in the same station of life, but honestly, we've had fun with older, younger, heavier and lighter folks.

Pepper

as for us we were just talking about this at the store. i was checkin out a gal in line and mrs.fun made a comment that after swinging a while i seem to check out people more. yes the girl was a little ....thicker but like i told mrs.fun im 25% looks and 75%personality.as for meeting people in clubs we mingle with everyone all ages and sizes. but now on line im thinkin are people passin us up because of looks alone .?

Hello,

This is a great topic to bring up and one that is a little confusing to me as well. My boyfriend and I arent in the best of shape, although were not extremely overweight either. We consider ourselves to be good looking individuals and do seek potential play mates that we are both attracted to. When reading profiles, if it reads, "Looking for another couple *in-shape* or *tight bodies*" I wont want to respond, it seems clear that they are only looking for other couples of similar body types to themselves. To a degree, I feel the same way... I wouldnt be attracted to a woman that was a good bit heavier than myself, or a woman that was too thin either. In deciding to respond to a profile or not, the written words really have to grab me as well as their photos. In a situation above, I wouldnt respond, because were not what they are looking for, so why waste anyones time...

It's great that other things are more important to you guys. I agree, however physical attraction is a must no matter the age, sometimes its there, sometimes its not.

BTW- I'm new here this is actually my very 1st post. I like what I see so far, after reading the Dos & Donts particularly where it mentions "communication". So far I've not come across many couples that are too interested in a lot of communication, they just want to meet and get down to business, which im not comfortable with at all. I have my boundaries, and demand they be respected. I imagine its not wise to assume things in this lifestyle, therefore I seek other couples that are able to communicate their desires and limits.

Would out of leagueness keep us from emailing someone? No. If we think a couple is attractive (physical or otherwise), we approach them. And just to put things into perspective, we have had as many people dis us as have responded favorably. Some of the dis’ers have been far less physically attractive than some of the favorable responders.

The lifestyle is a tough place for people that don’t deal well with rejection. To keep the baseball analogy, you have to swing at many pitches…and strike out several times…to get a home run. So swing away

Is there a cast system? If you mean “hot” young people who wont meet with not-so-hot older people, sure there is. There are also some serious people who wont meet with funny people…blue collar people who wont meet with white collar people…smart people who wont meet with dumb people…etc. I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing though. It’s just the way it is. Couples have limited time and have to choose who they want to spend it with. Those factors may help them in finding compatibility.

TLO7777- If you’re concerned, you might put something in your profile that indicates your openness to at least respond and/or meet with couple independent of age and beauty. You would have to wordsmith it but I think you could come up with something that accurately describes your position on the subject.

There does seem to be a caste system, and I hate to beat-up on any one group but in our area it seems to be the 20-something "Barbie & Ken's" living on the fringe of the Lifestyle that promote it. We saw this at the club last night. There was a group of half a dozen couples, all 20-something metro-sexual males and bleach-blonde, big-boobed, skinny women that were keeping together as a group. Everything they did was as a group, never venturing outside of that group to mingle and talk with anybody else. I don't think anyone ever got more than 15 feet from the group alone. Watching them move through the club was like watching a flock of Starlings fly. It was like high school with their little "clique". They thought they were all that... the general concesus amongst others was "what pretencious assholes, where'd they come from?"

Other then small instances like this, it seems most of those in the Lifestyle in our area are very open to others and don't follow the caste system. We are constantly amazed when someone contacts us and we thought we would never be their type. I really like Utah swingers!

Mr. WS

Our 2 cents worth . . . yes there are those who act like they never left high school and there are those who've moved on to bigger and better things in life. We prefer the latter. The thought of being part of a group/cliché is not why we are here. Swinging is like life there are many reasons we are attracted to some and not to others. Age, looks, personality all come in to play and don't kid yourself if you think otherwise.

Absolutely there is a "caste system" in swinging. It's largely divided by general "attractiveness" and age, and to a somewhat lesser extent, socioeconomic class.

And make no mistake, some people can be downright brutal about it, too.

Maybe in Utah things are different, but in Texas (and in Houston in particular) the caste system definitely exists. You see it at the clubs, both on and off-premise, the various house party groups, and so forth.

However, with a little effort you can find swinger couples, groups and clubs where you can fit right in, even if you don't meet the "approved" Barbie and Ken clone criteria as "acceptable" play partners, and still have every bit as much fun as the pretty people do. Been there, done that, got the tee shirt...

-- Bear

It seems to be very regional even in the online sites. Sites that target certain regions (or end up with mostly people from that region) seem to reflect that region's prejudices.

Absolutely there is a "caste system" in swinging. It's largely divided by general "attractiveness" and age, and to a somewhat lesser extent, socioeconomic class.

 

And make no mistake, some people can be downright brutal about it, too.

 

Maybe in Utah things are different, but in Texas (and in Houston in particular) the caste system definitely exists. You see it at the clubs, both on and off-premise.

I can see what you are saying here, and yes, the immature mind definitely divides it up like you say. We see it all the time. However, like Sweet_Candy said, just because you're not attracted to someone for one reason or another is not a reason to keep them at arms length socially, which the caste system does. It puts an invisible wall up to keep the "undesirables" out. I feel that out here the majority of swingers seem to be open-minded and even if they are not attracted to someone in a sexual sense, they are still invited to all the parties and they all still socialize with each other.

The instance I mentioned earlier was these couples blocking out all socializing with those that didn't fit their criteria. Which is fine, they are losers in this scenario since they lose out on knowing some great people. We have many friends that are fantastic to party with, but we will probably never have sex with because there just isn't the chemistry there in that manner.

Ah, why can't we all just get along.

Mr. WS

This is no different than meeting people in the vanilla world. Perceptions are a funny thing. Mr. Fun and I met on a dating site; I had my picture up and he did not. He thinks he takes horrid pictures. In fact, our first date was a true blind date for me. He told me after we had dated for a while that he almost didn't even write me because I looked like I might be out of his league -- a "pretty people" -- folks who go for the "Kens." I am thankful every day he wrote to me ... I was ready to take my profile down when he saw me, so chances are I would have never taken the initiative to find him.

So -- just email folks you're interested in. If the first thing out of their mouth involves pics, etc., or if they don't write back or if they write back "no thanks" -- what do you have to lose, but an opportunity to meet some really fun people.

As the Nike ads say, "just do it."

Mr. Fun and I met on a dating site...He told me after we had dated for a while that he almost didn't even write me because I looked like I might be out of his league -- a "pretty people" -- folks who go for the "Kens." I am thankful every day he wrote to me ... I was ready to take my profile down when he saw me, so chances are I would have never taken the initiative to find him.

 

So -- just email folks you're interested in. If the first thing out of their mouth involves pics, etc., or if they don't write back or if they write back "no thanks" -- what do you have to lose, but an opportunity to meet some really fun people.

 

As the Nike ads say, "just do it."

Most of my "first dates"...over 90%, in fact, are from online, vanilla dating sites. I almost never initiate contact, but when I do, I always set my "reach" a little higher than what I think I could ever hope to "grasp." I am continually surprised at how well some of those liasons turn out.

If I've learned anything from all this, it's that I have no idea who might be interested in me or why, and that if anybody catches my eye, it's worth taking a chance to contact them.

Reading some of the posts on SB leaves me with the impression that many couples who are interested in becoming swingers are "first-loves" who dated other people little, if any, prior to marriage. If that's the case, it's possible that they've never really developed some of the skills necessary to date successfully. I'm not that good at it myself, but my best friend is, and we both live by a few simple rules when meeting new people. I'm passing them along because "dating is dating," whether it's a club or website, 1 person looking for 1, 2 looking for 2, 2 looking for 1, or whatever...

1) In a club or an online dating site, never initiate contact with just one other person/ couple. Wait until you've identified at least 5 or 6, then move on them all in fairly rapid succession, if possible. You're likely to get a positive response from at least one of them, which will pretty much negate whatever rejection you might feel by the ones who don't respond.

2) Plan, ahead of time, for at least 50% rejection. As he says, "If you're not getting dumped by at least half the people you're going out with, you're setting your sights too low." So what if 80% of the people you contact aren't interested? Think of the fun you'll be having with the 20% who DO...

You can only have so many people in your bed, your room, or your life anyway. Why not make them people who really count?

3) NEVER make assumptions about what other people may find attractive or unattractive about you. Human beings are far too fickle, and the science of sexual attraction far too to indefinite, for any of us to possibly know what others may find desireable in any of us. While you're worried about your age, your fat butt, little dick or whatever, somebody else is looking at your eyes, chest, or toes, and thinking, "Oh YEAH, BABY"

Don't presume you know more about what other people find attractive in a potential mate than they do, and don't fret over the ones who aren't interested in you, or you'll likely miss opportunities with the ones who are.

Yes, there's a "caste system" in the swinging/dating world. The problem is that many of us have no idea of which "caste" we belong to. When we feel we aren't fitting into one, we assume it's because we've set our goals too high, when in fact, the opposite is often as likely to be true.

Great advice, JnCC. Thanks for the post.

~SS

All sound wisdom JNCC. One never knows what will attract the other to you or vice versa.

"We are constantly amazed when someone contacts us and we thought we would never be their type."

Ooops, not sure how to quote yet, sorry...

This really struck us. We recently had a couple contact us wanting to get to know us better and meet up. We looked at their profile and just said to each other 'huh? did they mail the right couple??' We thought they would have been out of our league.

We're somewhat young - I'm 30, he's 34. We enjoy and almost prefer older couples since we tend to have more in common with them (we're married 11 years, have kids, etc). We tend not to have much in common with most 20-something couples.

I also find personality to be a HUGE turn on. Physically I don't mind a woman with curves. Hubby is a husky guy. We prefer a real couple, one that can enjoy themselves in bed without worrying about their hair

I think in our profiles we say something about not being Ken & Barbie and that we prefer not to play with Ken & Barbie as sex with plastic is not our thing lol.

In the Top 100 thread on certifications someone posted the following comment:

 

 

 

How many others feel the same way about this?

 

Obviously most will not get in touch with a couple that doesn't seem attractive to them, but are there many of you that are reluctant to approach a couple because you think they are "out of your league"?

 

My wife and I are a bit younger than most and many find us quite attractive. While we do want to find our potential playmates attractive... this is of course a subjective thing, and for us, physical beauty is a plus but not even close to our top priority.

 

We're actually quite open to playing with partners that are 10-15 years older and not of the same physical body type as us. For example we both find women on the curvy side far more appealing than gym rats. Being fit is fine, but too thin is actually a turn off.

 

I'd hate for a couple to pass us over because they thought we were in a different "caste" than they are.

 

What's your experience? Do you regularly contact couples that are outside of your own age/shape/looks bracket?

 

Dante

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YoungMauiCouple at SLS

It is hard to know when a couple is "out of our league" given that we don't actually know what 'league' we are in - at least as it pertains to 'beauty'. It is hard for us to judge our own physical appearance in an objective manner - and a spouses opinion is not likely to be objective either.

And who actually knows the reasons why other couples choose not to contact them (or why they get dinged when they contact others)? We would like to think that all of the people who have ignored our profile think that we are too 'beautiful' for them - but the 'truth' may be exactly the opposite - and the outcome is exactly the same either way.

We feel that there is a caste system based on looks and age. It's especially hard for us since my husband is such a handsome man and while I feel beautiful, I know that my body type is not appreciated by everyone.

Given that is the situation we're in, we look for the beauty in all people. Granted, there has to be an initial spark and connection between people, the outer book cover isn't what we go by.

E&D

Oh Grey - I just checked out your SLS profile, then I wiped off the drool from my keyboard. Since I'm on a laptop, I really should get a condom for this thing to protect it

You are simply a beautiful woman.. And we're only 44 miles away Gotta show hubby your profile

I've discovered in this lifestyle that people are into what they are into... In my case - if someone in into big breasts, keep going because it's not something I have or ever will have.

Oh Grey - I just checked out your SLS profile, then I wiped off the drool from my keyboard. Since I'm on a laptop, I really should get a condom for this thing to protect it

 

You are simply a beautiful woman.. And we're only 44 miles away Gotta show hubby your profile

You just made my night after a very long and exhausting, demanding week at school.

E

Obviously most will not get in touch with a couple that doesn't seem attractive to them, but are there many of you that are reluctant to approach a couple because you think they are "out of your league"?

We have felt that way about some couples since we're in the process of getting back in shape, but if they have a stable relationship and great personalities it seems to pan out pretty well thus far.

Intimidating? You bet. Worth it? It has been thus far.

Personally though, the type of personalities that strive to have bodies that are plastered over the covers of Cosmo and whatnot tend to bore us. We like seeing real people be real people. It's a broad generalization to be sure, but I personally stand by it in most instances. It's great to be in shape if you genuninely are aiming for that, but once you become plastic in the mind it's a huge turn-off.

Interesting thread.

I wonder if we are considered A- or B+ types... That's a cool question, reserved for a different thread. I know Ms. is an A+. (I do have a nice sports car... I know for vanillas that would increase my rating... but I don't think it works in the Lifestyle!!)

In terms of limiting ourselves to people that share our looks and class, well I know that I (Mr.) have three very demanding criteria that must be met before I would play with a woman, as follows.

1 - In terms of age, she must be between 18 and 65.

2 - In terms of weight, between 90 lbs and 250 lbs or so.

3 - In terms of education, she must have some highschool, up to PhD/MD/JD.

If any those criteria are met, I'll play!

Exceptions will be made on a case-by-case basis.

Have a nice day!

From what I've seen, most folks don't discriminate that much. For me, it's more about what thier face looks like than what thier age or body type is. If I find that someone has an unattractive face, I am less attracted to them. I can't say what it is about a face that make it attractive or not since I am attracted to a wide variety of faces. It's just one of those things I guess. It's definately not a caste thing... It's more a personal taste thing.

I can agree that people are intimidated, but I think it goes both ways. I think that people who are not what society calls physically "perfect" ie., maybe they are overweight, or whatever, are quite intimidated. Thats why it is so important to not be shy, but to be open and friendly. If a couple is sitting at a table go ahead and ask to sit next to them!!

Am I alone in thinking that massive insecurities are a huge problem in the swing scene?

Am I alone in thinking that massive insecurities are a huge problem in the swing scene?

It certainly seems that way, at least for some people.

From what I've seen, most folks don't discriminate that much. For me, it's more about what thier face looks like than what thier age or body type is. If I find that someone has an unattractive face, I am less attracted to them. I can't say what it is about a face that make it attractive or not since I am attracted to a wide variety of faces. It's just one of those things I guess. It's definately not a caste thing... It's more a personal taste thing.

While to me the face is the most important feature as well the caste system I see is this.

Very attractive people tend to not want to play with less attractive people.

Less attractive people tend to want to play with very attractive people.

The less attractive people tend to not want to play with the much less attractive people.

The much less attractive people tend to want to play with the less and very attractive people.

And the caste system appears. I tend to only see it at big events, but its pretty clear who is in and who isn't, in very highschool like fashion.

While to me the face is the most important feature as well the caste system I see is this.

 

Very attractive people tend to not want to play with less attractive people.

Less attractive people tend to want to play with very attractive people.

 

The less attractive people tend to not want to play with the much less attractive people.

The much less attractive people tend to want to play with the less and very attractive people.

 

And the caste system appears. I tend to only see it at big events, but its pretty clear who is in and who isn't, in very highschool like fashion.

You know I think there is a difference between on line and clubbing. At the club I go to I see every group of people intermingling. I don't consider myself 'barbie' but I get the Ken and Barbie types making offers just as much as those who aren't Ken and Barbie.

I also find that those we consider the most physically attractive can be just as insecure in a club setting. I think the face to face approach tends to change the dynamics.

I can agree that people are intimidated, but I think it goes both ways. I think that people who are not what society calls physically "perfect" ie., maybe they are overweight, or whatever, are quite intimidated.

Mr. WS

Am I alone in thinking that massive insecurities are a huge problem in the swing scene?

No, I can understand how your insecurities would be super vamped in this lifestyle. I mean, its like when you were dating again. You are presenting yourself out there, and I think people are terrified of rejection. But you have to learn to laugh at yourself and have fun.

I also find that those we consider the most physically attractive can be just as insecure in a club setting. I think the face to face approach tends to change the dynamics.

Thats the funniest thing, esp with women. No matter how thin we are, or how good we look, we will exaggerate every little flaw.

You know, it's funny, these people seem to be the most open and social people at parties and at the club. I think that although body image can be a problem, many that have ventured into the lifestyle have come to terms with how they look because they find that they are attractive to others just the way they are. And personality goes along way, of course. Both Mrs. WS and I are extroverts and tend to gravitate toward extroverts ourselves. That is where the party always seems to be.

 

Mr. WS

Mrs. AK had some reservations about her body type (she feels she could lose a little weight, but she's beautiful any way you cut it), but has really let go of those thoughts once she saw that these were every day people having a good time. They weren't afraid of stretch marks, their body type, etc.

The attitude of those you associate with and the atmosphere it creates can make a world of difference for someone that's got insecurities.

You know I think there is a difference between on line and clubbing. At the club I go to I see every group of people intermingling. I don't consider myself 'barbie' but I get the Ken and Barbie types making offers just as much as those who aren't Ken and Barbie.

 

I also find that those we consider the most physically attractive can be just as insecure in a club setting. I think the face to face approach tends to change the dynamics.

My guess is it just depends on the crowd. The LL crowd in my area is VERY caste system oriented. They 'A' list seems very focused on attending the parties that require you to submit photos prior to see if you are good looking enough as a couple to go. They will then flirt with each other about going on the message boards, non-stop until the event 6 months later. At the offsite events most will stick to their own and not even talk with anyone out of their group. They never seem to go to the onsite events, but I'm not sure if this is due to them being more into being seen than playing or because they dont' want to be in a situation where someone not in their group would ask them to play.

i would say that there are alot of people that we dont contact persue because we feel that they wouldnt be attracted to us due to age/weight issues etc .we prob miss out on meeting some good people due to this but its what we do

My guess is it just depends on the crowd. The LL crowd in my area is VERY caste system oriented. They 'A' list seems very focused on attending the parties that require you to submit photos prior to see if you are good looking enough as a couple to go. They will then flirt with each other about going on the message boards, non-stop until the event 6 months later. At the offsite events most will stick to their own and not even talk with anyone out of their group. They never seem to go to the onsite events, but I'm not sure if this is due to them being more into being seen than playing or because they dont' want to be in a situation where someone not in their group would ask them to play.

Interesting. Perhaps the dynamics are different depending on what part of the country you are from as well. Maritimers are known to be down to earth and friendly, and there aren't too many parties that would require a photo first, as well our swingers crowd is a smaller one, where we tend to know each other.

Off topic:

Originally Posted by: ShellyM

Thats the funniest thing, esp with women. No matter how thin we are, or how good we look, we will exaggerate every little flaw.

Mrs. Beaverz was telling me about a report she seen on tv regarding the above comment;

If a woman is shown pictures of other women and asked to pick out which one she thought closely reflected her body, she would always pick the picture that had a woman with a bigger body than hers.

The same was done to men and they would always pick the body type that was smaller than their own.

I guess what they were saying is men think they are in better shape than they really are and women are in better shape than they think they are.

Maybe Mrs. Beaverz was trying to tell me something.

This is rather interesting. We've experienced the opposite effect of the "Caste System." There have been several times where we've been invited to a party or meet and greet generally by an older couple. We have found that we are often the youngest in the entire group (and have grown to expect that) upon arriving. With this we are often over looked and have found that the others will mingle among themselves. For us: Age/Looks is an important factor in who we play with but even then we don't mind building friendships with people in general. But, I guess when in those particular situations people want to meet someone that'll give it up rather than talk their head off

I have to say that I have not contacted some of the people I have wanted to because I have been afraid of them being out of my league. I am a big girl and don't contact thinner people because of this. My hubby and I are new at this and we look at profiles all the time and he'll ask me why don't you contact them and I say "Please, like they would ever consider me!!" I guess I need to get out of this mind frame or we will never meet anyone. I just figured Ken and Barbie were searching for Ken and Barbie. I never considered thinner people would like a big girl, even though I am very pretty and smart and can hold a decent conversation, I am funny too LOL

Minnie

Smile...a caste system in the lifestyle.....truly it is no different in the vanilla world. It is a fact of life. Study after study dictates that we as a society gravitate towards the "pretty" people. If a tall man seeks a executive position verses a man of shorter stature and their credentials match the taller one will most likely get the job. In stores, young men have actually asked me for help first when a poorly little elderly lady has been standing there waiting a lot longer than I. This can also happen in a reverse manner...because I am tall, blonde and somewhat attractive people have assumed well she must be stupid...sorry... very high IQ....

The only thing someone can say is no....and if that is their answer it is their loss...regardless what these young people think they will age as well. They will be turned down as well as time passes...I can remember when 40 seemed old...but 40 and considered a MILF is even a HOTTER place in life than a 20 something blonde....smile.-r

...I can remember when 40 seemed old...but 40 and considered a MILF is even a HOTTER place in life than a 20 something blonde....smile.-r

Thank goodness for this trend! LOL

We broke the caste system when Disco and I got together. She's gorgeous, tall, intelligent, exudes sexuality, and is fun to be around.

Me, I've got height going for me but other than that I'm strictly C grade material.

Tends to throw some people off, her being super hot and me being average material. That could be the reason why we get so many people asking if they can play with her but not mentioning me. We block people on SLS who do that.

We broke the caste system when Disco and I got together. She's gorgeous, tall, intelligent, exudes sexuality, and is fun to be around.

 

Me, I've got height going for me but other than that I'm strictly C grade material.

 

Tends to throw some people off, her being super hot and me being average material. That could be the reason why we get so many people asking if they can play with her but not mentioning me. We block people on SLS who do that.

Mr. WS

Me, I've got height going for me but other than that I'm strictly C grade material.

 

Tends to throw some people off, her being super hot and me being average material. That could be the reason why we get so many people asking if they can play with her but not mentioning me. We block people on SLS who do that.

I wouldn't call you average or C grade, at all. I think you look like a great couple, both of you. I'd do you (and her) in a heartbeat! facelick

We always ask 18 to 45 or 50. At alot of points age is just a #. Yes we want to be attracted and looks do mean something. Just as in the real world if they laugh at my jokes I am hooked. Patrick Pattie

I wouldn't call you average or C grade, at all. I think you look like a great couple, both of you. I'd do you (and her) in a heartbeat! facelick

Ooh, was ist dis? Compliments to Vyper? I'm putty in your hands now.

Ooh, was ist dis? Compliments to Vyper? I'm putty in your hands now.

You would be putty in my hands, I assure you! hehe

God help me. It's high school all over again.

Except now, I don't care if some snob thinks they're too good for me. Hell, maybe they ARE too good for me. I'll move on. The only thing that would hurt is if somebody looked my wife up and down, rolled their eyes and then looked away. I admit it, that would tick me off.

We're both plain looking, and a little pudgy, but we find each other cute; even the pudginess. I told wifey that it was love that opened my eyes to her true beauty, unlike what the average person would see when they look at her. They see something, but I can see the REAL girl.

Anyway, we're either low B's or maybe C's. But I think for each other, we're A's. Easily A's. Since we wouldn't probably try to get someone into bed upon first meeting them (sorry!) we would probably know any potential partners, and ease into a sexual liason. So in that sense, I guess we're lucky.

But we do like to talk to people, and being rejected out of hand wouldn't feel very nice. I guess we wouldn't be approaching the most beautiful people at the club anyway. It'd be hard enough for us to approach anyone to start with!

(Hubby)

The only thing that would hurt is if somebody looked my wife up and down, rolled their eyes and then looked away. I admit it, that would tick me off.

Get ready for it, it can and does happen. Try not to punch the guy, thats even more frowned on