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A couple on SLS asked to meet us. They look nice, but they've been on the site for several years with no certifications. We plan to meet them for drinks. But since we don't know them from Adam, we are hesitant to return to their apartment for play. Any thoughts or precautions advised?

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Trust your instincts, they exist for a reason. Just like you can (in theory) catch a ball without consciously doing the advanced mathematics necessary to calculate it's trajectory, your mind in constantly observing and analyzing your surroundings for potential dangers and opportunities. So, if you meet these folks and you get that nagging feeling that something isn't right... listen to that nagging feeling.

 

Other suggestions are, I think, the obvious ones: make sure someone else knows where you are, don't drink to much or use any other recreational pharmaceuticals which could impair your judgement, maybe go to a hotel rather than back to their place, always leave yourself the opportunity to make an exit.

 

In the end though, I fall back to instinct. You may never know why, but if that little voice in your says "leave" ... leave.

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With us, we don't accept certs. It's our business who we spend time with and we don't want to advertise who we've seen (and we are lifetime members). Second, we never play on the first date. We always plan a meet for dinner or drinks and only that. This way there's no pressure on anyone. Sometimes there just isn't a connection (sometimes once we meet it is easy to see the train wreck on the other side of the table). After the first meeting, everyone then gets time to think about it and THEN we think about a second meeting. Even still, we usually try to keep things on a neutral field (hotel or the like, but never at either couples home). If, after several meetings, things still look good, THEN we start thinking about letting them know where we live. One other thing, only the men communicate. Neither woman provides any contact info so that there isn't any attempts at an 'end around' or the chance of (for lack of a better word) stalking.

 

...and always listen to the little voice in your head. It's usually right (at least you don't want to find out that it's wrong).

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Thanks for the encouraging advice. We usually have a vanilla first meeting, but we can be talked into more if we all feel confident. We often meet people with certs from people we know. It makes us feel better. We just don't want to run into a Ted Bundy type or get tied up in someone's BDSM dungeon.

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GoldCoCouple provided excellent advice. The only thing we would add is to have a phone call with everyone on line so you know both of them are on board.

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We don't use certs to evaluate trustworthiness since they can be faked and anyone can give a cert to anyone else, even someone who talked to them for two minutes in line at the bar. Like others have said above, we go with our instincts, don't rush into things, use common sense to avoid any potential bad situations, and we error on the side of caution. All of those have served us well so far.

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Certs are good if we know the people who certified the prospective playmates. Any friend of ours who is a friend of theirs is a good thing. I realize the content of the cert can be baloney, but if they like people we like, that is helpful!

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Hi njbm!

 

I know that there are some people who simply don't accept certs. I do not happen to agree with that policy, but it's a relatively minor point, and I accept that some people feel that way. Of course, in this particular case it's not clear whether this couple have such a policy, or if they simply have not been very active. If we're being totally honest, I guess it's also possible that no one has liked hem enough to give them a cert! But hopefully you have some idea from their profile, and from talking to them, whether they would be fun to spend time with.

 

Is there something in their profile or your communications with them, other than the lack of certs, that gives you a funny feeling about them? Or is this simply an abundance of caution? In either case, I f you are concerned about safety, then I agree with, and wanted to reiterate, two pieces of good advice you have gotten.

 

First, don't set any expectations for play on this first get-together. Everybody can come to the table with the assumption that it's just drinks and conversation this time, so you two can relax, get to know them, and get a sense of whether you like them AND feel safe with them.

 

The other great idea is to figure on playing in a neutral location like a hotel or a club. If this first get-together goes well, the next time could be dinner and "dessert" at a hotel, or an evening on a date at your favorite club!

 

Good luck, and keep us posted!

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...and let us know if you're interested in seeing our dungeon. I'm sure that we can arrange a visit...and maybe you can stay awhile :lol:

 

Don't forget to follow up with what you decided to do.

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We'll let everyone know. If you don't hear from us for awhile, check the East Village in NYC! But we've done this before and I'm sure it will go well.

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So here's the ending. We agree to meet this couple in our age group, we will call him J and her V at a bar in their neighborhood in the East Village of Manhattan. We confirm via text in the early afternoon and the late afternoon via text. We arrive at the bar at 6:50, text from J, slight problem, V can't make it. He is going to get a replacement, P, and they should be there by 7:30. Another text, he will be there at 7:40 with T. She is 22 years old and fun. We are 58. At 8:50, he's not there, I text that that we had a different idea of what we expected and we are leaving. He texted and called to say he arrived and implored us to return. I politely declined. I said we like to play with committed couples. Thoughts?

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Ugh... I'm glad to know at least that you didn't have a safety problem- only a completely inconsiderate, baiting-and-switching, devious time-waster problem!

 

I think you did the right thing at each step. You agreed to meet, because the safety issues were minimal. And then you were very nice in allowing your patience to be tested for a while, because you two are nice and considerate people. Then you pulled the plug, when you two had had enough!

 

I'm sorry that your evening didn't play out as you had hoped. Hopefully you and your wife went home after this episode, and made passionate, smokin hot love together!

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Thank you for your kind evaluation. I was sort of suspicious due to no certs even after being on SLS for awhile and no pictures of the purported couple together. I think that the attractive woman on this guy's profile was a "beard." (Fake). And how does a 48 year old guy come up with a couple of young women within an hour? Pros? We are finding it funny, to some degree, and we thereafter went out for a nice dinner in NYC. As for the sex, we're a little tired, but it may happen!

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So here's the ending. We agree to meet this couple in our age group, we will call him J and her V at a bar in their neighborhood in the East Village of Manhattan. We confirm via text in the early afternoon and the late afternoon via text. We arrive at the bar at 6:50, text from J, slight problem, V can't make it. He is going to get a replacement, P, and they should be there by 7:30. Another text, he will be there at 7:40 with T. She is 22 years old and fun. We are 58. At 8:50, he's not there, I text that that we had a different idea of what we expected and we are leaving. He texted and called to say he arrived and implored us to return. I politely declined. I said we like to play with committed couples. Thoughts?

 

 

Holy crap. I'm not banned.

 

You just had the right experience. There's no secret dungeon. There's no rapists. There's no ax murderers. Yes, those things COULD happen, but highly unlikely. What's more likely is a couple of vaguely dishonest flakes like you encountered. Welcome to the lifestyle.

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Sorry, I typed fast and late last night. We were supposed to meet at 7pm, we arrived at 6:50 and as of 7;50, our "dates" were not there and we left. We gave them 50 minutes. It was in their neighborhood and we struggled in by car during rush hour from NJ. So we gave them 50 minutes, but the real problem was the bait and switch with the woman. I think this is a single guy who uses a fake partner on his site to attract people, then scares up whoever he can at the time.

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You showed more patience than we would have. When he texted he had a replacement and would be there soon, we would have been out of there.

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If we had to do it again, we would have left at the notice of the switch of women. We discussed it at dinner afterwards. It is harder to figure out what to do in real time. Part of us wanted to see this train wreck and watch the guy explain what happened to his partner and how he got a replacement so fast.

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Unfortunately, sometimes the other couple doesn't show up...sometimes there isn't even another 'couple' (as I believe is what happened in your case). That's why when we plan a first meeting it is usually over dinner so even if they don't show up, we had a nice evening out and a good dinner. Our rule here is 30 minutes and then even if we are still there, we say that we have left the building (while there can be excuses for being late, if you don't tell us that you are running late then we don't 'match'). You live, you learn, and at least you didn't end up on the side of a milk carton (this time). Keep trying and eventually things will work out.

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To me, the give aways that this was not a real couple was no certs and no pictures of the couple together. I understand why some do not give or receive certs, but it gives others notice that this couple played as a couple at a certain time. We find it somewhat helpful.

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If you ask why we wanted to meet, they looked like an attractive couple in our age group and they asked us to meet. They seemed promising.

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Nothing wrong with anything you have done or you wanting to meet them. It's just unfortunate that not everyone isn't 'legit', some are on sites just to get a cheap thrill by 'peeking in the window' knowing that this is as close as they will ever get to fulfilling their fantasies.

 

As far as certs go, I wish there was some way that a PAID member could anonymously verify that they had met a couple and that they were real. What we don't like about certs is it says 'we played with this couple'. That's none of anyone's business except the two couples involved. We would be all for that...maybe I'll go and suggest it on SLS. That would be (IMHO) more useful than certs...

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I understand not wanting to kiss and tell in a cert. We try to be very general and not too specific in describing our play session. We emphasize our playmates' positive personal qualities. If someone has been on SLS for years and they cannot have one couple certify that they are real, they are nice and they play, one has to wonder if they are in the lifestyle. For us, the benefit of having certs and seeing certs outweighs our privacy concerns. And we are not on Facebook and there are no X rated pictures of us out of concern for our privacy.

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A couple on SLS asked to meet us. They look nice, but they've been on the site for several years with no certifications. We plan to meet them for drinks. But since we don't know them from Adam, we are hesitant to return to their apartment for play. Any thoughts or precautions advised?

 

I am new to all of this so, I'm sorry to sound stupid. What do you mean when you say certifications? How do you get certification? My husband and I are hoping to get our first experience on our trip to Hedo this August.

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I am new to all of this so, I'm sorry to sound stupid. What do you mean when you say certifications? How do you get certification? My husband and I are hoping to get our first experience on our trip to Hedo this August.

 

Certs refer to a field in the SLS profiles, among others. If you have not made a profile on swinglifestyle.com, do so--And pay the few dollars for a membership as it adds credibility. Set up your photos. Then go to a local meet-n-greet or a local party and meet people. Certifications exist to prove that you are real. Read a few of the certs at SLS to get a flavor of them. More important, get to know a few couples locally who will certify that you are authentic.

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I am new to all of this so, I'm sorry to sound stupid. What do you mean when you say certifications? How do you get certification?

You don't sound stupid at all!

 

FundamentalLaw gave you some good information about certifications (or "certs"). They are a feature on SLS, and there is a similar thing on Kasidie called "Validations" (but let's just call them certs for simplicity). Certs are a way for other members to indicate that they have met you, and that you are not a fake member or someone who fails to show up when you set up a get-together. Others submit these certs, and the member gets to decide which ones to approve. Those that the member accepted will be shown on the member's profile. They end up being kind of like reviews of a member, with people writing certs that say not only that member "John&JaneDoe" are real people who showed up for the dinner date, but also saying nice things about the couple, often including a little of what they are like in and out of the bedroom.

 

This is where the idea of certs becomes controversial for some people. There are some who feel that giving certs is like "kissing and telling", and impolitely or inappropriately reveals intimate details. Others have a concern that people solicit certs from others, shamelessly requesting good "reviews" of themselves to display like marketing blurbs on a book jacket. Still others come away thinking that a profile with a lot of certs is a signal of being a "bedpost-notcher", or being "too active", or not really being interested in getting to know the people they play with. For these reasons, and perhaps others, there are some people who refuse to accept certs, or to write them.

 

For the record, I disagree with all of the above criticisms!

 

In my opinion, the certs I have read, written, or received have, almost without exception, been tasteful and helpful. Those who worry about the "kiss and tell" aspect are perhaps forgetting that swinging does involve sex! If a member does not want all of SLS to know that they met a particular couple who then wrote a cert for them, they are free to not accept that cert. I kinda think it is rude to not accept nice words from someone who wants to say them!

 

As for soliciting certs, I personally would never do that, and I resent the implication that I would do a thing like that. Any certs we have were offered voluntarily by people we've met, with no prodding on our part. This is not to say that it doesn't happen sometimes, but I feel like I can tell the difference between heartfelt nice words and solicited good reviews, and weigh the certs accordingly.

 

Finally, I chafe the most at the implication that, because we have some certs in our profile, that we are indiscriminate about who we play with, and are "too active" (I have been told that to my face). We are swingers, and we like to play with other people- it's kinda the core concept of the lifestyle! I feel like we have some kind of chemistry with everyone we play with, and some of the people we've played with have developed into close friends. The implication of a couple who makes this charge seems to be that we should be available to play with them, but should not be available to too many others. That is not only an irrational request, it is also selfish.

 

Anyway, that's what certs are... :)

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Certs refer to a field in the SLS profiles, among others. If you have not made a profile on swinglifestyle.com, do so--And pay the few dollars for a membership as it adds credibility. Set up your photos. Then go to a local meet-n-greet or a local party and meet people. Certifications exist to prove that you are real. Read a few of the certs at SLS to get a flavor of them. More important, get to know a few couples locally who will certify that you are authentic.

 

Thank you Fundamental Law, I will do that

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      After inadvertently flashing the two men at the elevator, Jenn had been unable to concentrate on hanging out with her friends - really coworkers attending the conference with her. The talk, griping about work, supervisors and spouses, was all the same talk they had back home.
       
      Jenn's mind had kept wandering back to the elevator, to the looks the two men had given her as she stood there, bottomless. She couldn't shake the idea that Dan would love to hear about it, would probably ask why she hadn't fucked one of them. She thought about the second man, the long, hungry look he had given her, and wondered what she would have said, what she would have done, if he'd propositioned her.
       
      Finally, distracted from the banal chatter, she'd gotten up and gone over to the bar. Sitting at a bar stool, she'd felt her slinky black rise wickedly higher, felt the cool air teasing her naked thighs, and wondered how many of the guys were trying to peek up her skirt. That idea had started another wicked thought that grew in her mind until she had finally decided to give into it.
       
      As nonchalantly as possible, she'd taken out her phone, held it down by her knees and spread her legs. A quick click, and she'd taken a picture of her exposed pussy in a bar full of men, a picture which was now on its way to Dan along with her teasing text. She knew he'd love it.
       
      Glancing around the bar, she wondered if anyone had seen.
       
      After a few minutes, Dan hadn't replied to her text. She was disappointed before she realized the time difference might mean he hadn't seen it. She fired off another.
       
      JENN: U up? Haha
       
      Still no reply.
       
      "Excuse me, miss."
       
      Jenn jumped as the man's voice broke through her distraction.
       
      "Can I buy you a drink?" he asked, with a friendly smile.
       
      His name was Tim. He was staying at the hotel, attending the same conference she was. They talked for a while about the day's seminars, their respective workplaces, the hotel in general. Tim was friendly, flirty without being pushy, and Jenn found herself relaxing and enjoying herself. After a while, when Tim turned his attention to the bartender to refresh their drinks, she fired off another text to Dan, teasing that a guy had gotten her a drink.
       
      "Good phone," Tim said, looking back at her.
       
      "It's OK," Jenn shrugged.
       
      "Did the picture come out?" Tim said nonchalantly.
       
      "Picture?" Jenn felt suddenly hot and cold all at once. "What picture?"
       
      The bartender choose that moment to call Tim over, leaving Jenn shivering briefly in shock. She quickly fired off another text to Dan: OMG I think he saw me take that pic!
       
      By the time Tim got back, apologizing and explaining that there had been some error with his credit card, Jenn had managed to regain the appearance of calm, though her heart was pounding.
       
      "So," she said, trying to sound cool. "You saw me take a picture."
       
      "Maybe just a peek, really," Tim admitted with a barely hidden grin.
       
      "Really?" Jenn drawled, teasing.
       
      Tim just grinned, trying unsuccessfully to hide a glance down at her thighs. Jenn fidgeted in her seat.
       
      "So, who was it for?" Tim asked. "The picture. Was it for someone?"
       
      "My guy back home," Jenn admitted, feeling oddly relaxed about it suddenly. "Dan. He has these fantasies. I thought I'd indulge him a little."
       
      "Fantasies of you flashing at a bar?" Tim grinned.
       
      "Among other things," Jenn confessed, blushing.
       
      "Really?" Tim focused on his drink.
       
      Jenn leaned closer to him, speaking more softly. "Dan told me to take off my panties, before I came down to the bar."
       
      Tim's eyes flashed back down to her thighs again. "Did he? Had you leave them in your room."
       
      "No," Jenn said slowly. "They're in my purse. He had me take them off in the hallway."
       
      "He wants you to get seen, does he?" Tim's gaze rose to lock with Jenn's eyes. She felt a flush of heat rising in her cheeks and spreading down her neck.
       
      "Well, I did take a picture of my pussy in a bar full of people for him," she said.
       
      "How far do you want to go?" Tim's voice was low, husky.
       
      "What did you have in mind?" Jenn felt the blush spreading down her chest.
       
      "Give me your phone," Tim grinned.
       
      Slowly, Jenn slide it over. Grinning, Tim picked the phone up and took a couple of steps back.
       
      "Give ol' Dan a thrill," Tim said.
       
      Heart pounding, Jenn glanced around, looking at the other people around the bar. What the hell, she thought and spread her legs again on the barstool, exposing her bare pussy to Tim's gaze, and the gaze of anyone else who happened to look over. As Tim raised the phone to snap a pic, Jenn threw caution to the wind. With a quick motion, she grabbed the top of her slinky dress and pulled it down, flashing a naked tit too. Tim clicked the picture and stepped quickly back toward her.
       
      Hastily, Jenn covered herself again. Her heart was racing, and she was sure that blush covered her entire chest. The heat of it seemed to reach down toward the heat rising from her thighs. She wondered if Tim had noticed how wet her pussy was.
       
      Taking her phone back, she looked at the picture and smiled. Quickly, she sent it to Dan. She wondered if he would see it before morning.
       
      "There you go," Tim said smirking. "That ought to give ol' Dan what he wants."
       
      "Not even," Jenn laughed.
       
      "Really?" Tim looked intrigued. Leaning closer to her, he continued quietly, "You just flashed your tit -very nice tit, by the way - to like half the guys in this bar and at least a few of them will have noticed the 'no panties' bit too. What more does your guy want?"
       
      "Well," Jenn said, leaning closer too, until their faces were almost touching. "He has this fantasy."
       
      "What fantasy," Tim breathed.
       
      "He wants me to... fuck... another guy," Jenn's breath was coming in shallow gasps. "Like, here, at the conference. For real. Basically, he's a perv. Crazy, right?"
       
      "Crazy," Tim agreed.
       
      For a moment they just sat, their faces so close together. Jenn wondered if he was going kiss her.
       
      "What do you think?" Tim asked finally.
       
      "About what?" Jenn was puzzled.
       
      "About his fantasy."
       
      "I think..." Jenn paused. "I think I like it. I think... maybe I might do it. If I find the right guy."
       
      "Well," Tim leaned back suddenly, settling back in his seat. "If you find him, I'm sure you won't have any trouble convincing him."
       
      "Really," Jenn said, looking flatly at him. "Because I think maybe he might not be interested."
       
      "Not possible," Tim said. "If a beautiful, intelligent woman like you asked... I bet almost any guy here would jump at the chance."
       
      "You, sir, are a charmer and a gentleman," Jenn grinned.
       
      "Well, I try," Tim admitted with a smirk.
       
      "I am going back to my room now," Jenn said.
       
      "Well, good night."
       
      "Really? That's all? 'Good night'?"
       
      "Well..."
       
      "I am all alone here. My guy - the perv who wants me to fuck another guy, you recall - is all the way on the other side of the country. I have... no panties on and I am very... very horny. It seems to me that a gentleman would escort me back to my room. After all, anything could happen... anything."
       
      <<<>>>
       
      Jenn's hands shook as she fumbled to pull her hotel keycard from her purse.
       
      After her sultry almost-invitation in the bar, the ride up in the elevator had been oddly quiet. Tim had been calm, flashing his flirty smile but nothing more. Letting her take the lead, Jenn realized. She couldn't believe how nervous she felt. After all, she was only inviting a strange man she had just met at a conference up to her hotel room for sex because her guy... ok, she admitted, she could believe how nervous she was. What she couldn't believe was how excited she was, or how hard it was to take that stupid plastic card out of her purse.
       
      She jumped slightly when Tim's hand closed gently over her arm.
       
      "You don't have to do this, you know," he said softly.
       
      With that, her nervousness vanished as if it had never been. Slowly Jenn turned, her body brushing against Tim's as she reached up and kissed him. Her lips softly explored his. His arms closed around her, holding her firmly.
       
      "I want to," she breathed.
       
      His arms tightened around her, pulling her against him, kissing her with growing passion. She could feel his growing hardness pressing against her.
       
      "What do you want?" he said teasingly.
       
      "I want you to fuck me," Jenn panted.
       
      Tim dragged her mouth back to his, his lips and tongue hungrily exploring hers. His hands roamed over her back, reaching downward to cup her ass. Jenn moaned against him. She felt him pulling up the hem of her slinky little dress, felt his hands squeezing her naked ass, there in the hotel hallway. Her entire body quivered with desire.
       
      Pushing away enough to speak again, Jenn panted, "Let me... oohhh... let me open the door."
       
      Squirming in Tim's embrace, she managed to turn enough to face the door again and clawed at her purse for the keycard. Tim's hands continued to explore her body, squeezing her ass, rubbing along her side and her belly, reaching up to cup her breast. She managed to get the keycard out of her purse around the same time he pulled her dress down to expose her tits. His hard cock ground against her bare ass. She groaned as his fingers flicked over her sensitive nipple.
       
      "If you don't let me get this door open," Jenn moaned, "we are going to end up fucking in the hall."
       
      "Bet ol' Dan would love that," Tim muttered as he kissed her neck, his roaming fingers reaching around to brush along the wet folds of her naked pussy.
       
      Jenn groaned in response, forcing the keycard into the door and practically running inside as it finally opened.
       
      "Oh my god. This is so crazy," Jenn laughed as she heard the door swing close behind her. Unconsciously, her hands slid up her sides, moving to smooth her shirt.
       
      "Don't you dare," Tim chuckled.
       
      "What?" Jenn glanced over her shoulder at him, feeling a nervous flutter as she realized she was alone, in her hotel room, with him.
       
      "Don't fix your dress," Tim said. "Looks good just the way it is."
       
      "With my ass hanging out, you mean," Jenn smiled, her hands sliding down to cup her butt.
       
      "Exactly," Tim grinned. "You have a very nice ass."
       
      "You like it?" Jenn asked teasingly. "It's not too big?"
       
      "Your ass is firm and round. You have a beautiful ass," Tim replied. "Give me your phone."
       
      "My phone?" Jenn puzzled at the non-sequitur.
       
      "Well, I could take a picture with mine..." Tim said, reaching into his pocket.
       
      "Oh, no," Jenn replied, digging into her purse and tossing her phone to him. "That's how embarrassing pictures end up on the internet."
       
      "Precisely," Tim said, snapping a quick pic. "I mean, you wouldn't want to do anything crazy."
       
      "Absolutely not," Jenn laughed, cupping her ass and bending over slightly. "I am a very respectable woman, after all. I would never do anything wild or out of control. You know that, right?" She grinned as she looked back him, spreading her legs a little more.
       
      "Of course not," Tim nodded seriously. "And, after all, you're in a committed relationship so clearly you wouldn't want anyone to think you did anything inappropriate. Now turn around, so I can see your tits."
       
      Still laughing, Jenn turned, arching her back to show off her breasts. She couldn't believe she was doing this, standing in her hotel room, her slinky dress bunched up around her waist, letting a strange man snap pictures of her bare ass and tits... and pussy, she realized. Her smile faded as her breath quickened. Her eyes met Tim's and she saw, behind his joking and grins, a desire that reflected her own.
       
      For a long moment, they just stood there, facing each other across the room. Slowly, her eyes fixed on Tim's, Jenn slid the slinky dress's tiny spaghetti straps from her shoulders. She pushed the bunched fabric of the dress down past her hips, letting it slip down her legs to pool around her feet. Finally, she stepped out of her heels and took a step toward him.
       
      "You're gorgeous," Tim said huskily, then his teasing grin appeared again as he snapped another pic.
       
      "More pictures?" Jenn shook her head.
       
      "Well, I bet ol' Dan will get a thrill out of them," Tim replied lightly.
       
      "All right," Jenn said, stepping closer, moving quickly to hide her nervousness. "Let's take some pictures that will give him a real thrill."
       
      With firm deliberation, before she could chicken out, Jenn grabbed hold of Tim's slacks, undid the button and dropped to her knees in front of him.
       
      "Take some pictures that will really drive him wild," she said, forcing down Tim's zipper and pulling his pants down.
       
      "Oh my god," she breathed softly as Tim's dick jumped free of his boxers. Even only semi-erect, it was long, thick and veiny, plainly different from Dan's. So what, Jenn thought to herself as she wrapped quivering fingers around the thickening shaft. She'd seen other dicks. She'd held other dicks, but never a stranger's, and never while she was with another guy.
       
      Above her, Tim groaned in pleasure and that, it seemed, was enough to finally settle her nerves. Smiling, she looked up at him, at his face glazed with desire as she stroked his length. She looked up at the camera lens of her phone. Dan wanted this, she thought. He'd said so often enough. She'd sucked dick plenty of times before, she thought as her lips closed around Tim's thick tip. This time Tim would get to enjoy her mouth, enjoy her tongue swirling around him, and later Dan would get to enjoy seeing the pictures of his long, thick hard cock as it disappeared between her lips.
       
      "Oh, yes, that's so good," Tim moaned.
       
      Jenn quivered with desire. She felt nasty, kneeling there naked, eagerly bobbing her head up and down Tim's cock while he continued to take occasional pictures.
       
      "So good," Tim moaned again. "Oh yeah, so good. Fuck."
       
      "Yes," Jenn purred, keeping her lips against Tim's thick cock. "I want you to fuck me. Fuck me, Tim."
      Groaning, Tim pulled his cock from her warm mouth. His strong hands grabbed her shoulders and lifted Jenn to her feet. She shivered with excitement as he pushed her slowly backward toward the bed.
       
      "This what you want?" Tim growled, his eyes intense.
       
      "Yes," Jenn panted. "I want this."
       
      "You like sucking my cock?" Tim's hands firmly cupped Jenn's heaving tits, squeezing and caressing them. She moaned as he roughly played with her sensitive nipples.
       
      "Yes," Jenn gasped. "You have such a nice, big cock. I love sucking your cock. Now I want you to fuck me. Fuck me with your nice, big cock, Tim."
       
      She cried out as Tim pushed her roughly down onto the bed. Like an animal, he pounced over her. She moaned as his mouth latched onto her tits, roughly sucking and nipping at her sensitive mounds.
       
      "Oh, Tim," Jenn gasped as he kissed and bit down her side. "Hey, not so... oh, wow... oh... oh... Oh. My. God!" She cried out as he buried his face in her pussy. She arched her hips to meet him as his tongue parted her wet lips and lashed furiously against her clit. "Oh my god, oh my god, ohmygod! Yes, there. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Oh. Oooohhhh, myyyy, God!"
       
      Jenn's whole body arched in pleasure, quivering as her shockingly sudden orgasm ripped through her. She collapsed, panting, onto the bed.
       
      Shivering, she looked up to see Tim looming over her, tossing the last of his clothes away. Out of a staid business suit, he looked powerful, muscular and wild. His long, thick cock stood proudly against his hard abs.
       
      "Tell me," he growled. "Tell me what you want."
       
      "I want..." Jenn gasped. "I want you to fuck me. Please, fuck me."
       
      He pushed closer, holding his cock in one hand as he guided it toward her dripping pussy. In the other hand...
       
      "My phone?" Jenn giggled.
       
      "I want ol' Dan to see this," Tim said firmly. "I want your pervy guy to see the moment, the exact moment, my cock... a stranger's cock... enters his woman. I want the perv to have this to jerk to... his Jenn's beautiful pussy taking another man's.... cock!"
       
      Jenn moaned as his tip entered her, parting her lips and stretching her slowly open. She shivered at his words, and at the nasty, wicked feeling of his strange cock inside her. She was doing it, she realized. She was letting a strange man fuck her. Her whole body arched up to meet him as his long shaft slowly filled her.
       
      "Yeah," Tim groaned. "He's going to like seeing this."
       
      "Put the phone down," Jenn purred. "Put that fucking phone away and fuck me."
       
      "Is that what you want?" Tim smiled wickedly, lightly tossing Jenn's phone aside.
       
      "Yes." She looked at him, thrilling to the hungry look in his eyes. "Yes, I want you to fuck me."
       
      Tim slowly pulled his cock back, until only the tip rested just within her dripping pussy. "You want a guy you just met to fuck you. A stranger, to fill you up with his cock."
       
      "Yes." Jenn writhed under him. "Yes, fuck me now."
       
      She gasped as Tim grabbed her waist. Her eyes locked on his as her body arched toward him. With a grunt, he thrust into her, filling her up with one swift motion. Their hips rocked together, her wet folds opening to receive him deep inside her.
       
      Jenn's whole body tingled as he thrust into her again and again, deep, steady, powerful thrusts that filled her over and over. She reveled in the feeling and the unshakable thought of how wicked this was. Wild, carnal pleasure climbed through her, exploding as she came again.
       
      "Oh my god!" she cried out, shaking as her body convulsed around his thrusting member. "Are you... still going?"
       
      "I'm not finished," Tim grinned, continuing to slide slowly inside her. "Not by a long shot."
       
      "Oh... my... god..." Jenn moaned, wrapping her legs around his waist and pulling him deeper into her.
       
      She let herself go, moaning and crying out with wild, forbidden pleasure. Throughout, she kept her eyes on him, watching his unfamiliar body moving over hers, staring into his stranger's face has he grunted and thrust into her. Lust and pleasure climbed, peaked again with her desperate cries, and madly started to climb once more.
       
      Suddenly, Tim paused in his seemly tireless fucking. "What's that?"
       
      "What?" Jenn panted. It took a moment for her to realize that a new sound had been intruding on the moaning, grunting and slapping of flesh against flesh. A musical, birdlike chiming sound. It took another moment for Jenn to recognize the sound. "Oh, it's my phone."
       
      "Seriously?" Tim pushed himself slowly back inside her. "Someone's calling you now?"
       
      "Text alert," Jenn gasped. "Probably.... ooohhhh... Dan."
       
      "Dan? Ol' Dan!?" Tim laughed.
       
      Jenn groaned as Tim quickly pulled himself from her body. She felt shockingly empty, without him inside her. She was relieved to see that Tim staggered slightly as he stood. She watched, amused at the sight of his thick cock bobbing ahead of him as he fumbled around on the floor, grabbing her phone.
       
      "Hey, we missed a few," Tim grinned down at her phone. "Text from Dan: 'Hot pic."
      "Oh my god," Jenn buried her face in her hands, wondering which of the many naughty pics her guy was talking about.
       
      "'You naughty tease'," Tim read out.
       
      "Give it to me." Jenn reached out for the phone.
       
      "'Fell asleep. You have fun flashing the bar?'," Tim read. "Poor guy, he's missed all the fun. Should I send him some of our new pics?"
       
      "No!" Jenn gasped. "Give me my phone."
       
      "'You still up?'," Tim chuckled. "I certainly am," he added, flexing his raging hard cock.
       
      "Give it to me!" Jenn reached out for her phone.
       
      "Damn right I will," Tim grinned, leaping back onto the bed.
       
      Jenn squealed as he flipped her over onto her belly and dropped himself onto her back. She felt his slick, hard cock pressing between her thighs.
       
      "Not what I meant." Her gasp turned into a groan as he penetrated her again.
       
      "Here," Tim said into her ear. "You should really answer him." He started thrusting again, even harder and more passionate than before.
       
      The phone dropped in front of Jenn's face.
       
      "Go on, answer him." Tim grunted, pounding into her.
       
      Fumbling, Jenn grabbed her phone and tried to type out a reply.
       
      JENN: CEnt tAlk call pater
       
      Tim was driving fiercely into her now. Her whole body shook from the force of him in her. Tim was going wild, she realized, at the thought of her being on the phone with Dan while he fucked her. That idea, and his powerful thrusts, sent her own pleasure spiraling upward. She was dimly aware of the phone chiming again and again.
       
      DAN: U drunk lol?
       
      DAN: Jenn?
       
      DAN: U ok?
       
      DAN: JENN?!?
       
      She knew she had to respond with something. Desperately, she tried to cling to the phone long enough to type out a reply.
       
      JENN: C a 'll later
       
      JENN: nifht
       
      With that she pushed the phone away and thrust back to meet Tim's thrusting cock. Another orgasm crashed over her and Tim roared over her, driving his strange cock deep inside her.
       
      <<<>>>
       
      Jenn stared at the empty hotel bar.
       
      Other conference attendees moved through the lobby, heading for the morning seminars.
       
      She was sure that Tim was among them, but she didn't know where. He'd left during the night... after... One part of her mind shied away from the thought, but at the same she felt a tingle across her skin... her nipples... her pussy.
       
      She looked down at her phone. It felt hot in her hand. She hadn't dared to open the picture folder yet. She had to get it over with. She wondered if she would really dare to say anything when the time came. Her fingers shook as she pressed Dan's speed dial.
       
      "Hi, honey," Dan answered brightly.
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