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We are discussing hall passes for both of us when I have to travel out of town for work. What are your experiences with this? In one sense I am incredibly turned on by giving her a pass and in another I get twinges of doubt about it. When you give a pass to your other half is it an open pass to do anybody or does it come with restrictions?

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We both have a pass to play with two of our different play friends. Our only rules are that we tell each other about it , and that we reconnect ourselves with some hot love making. No secrets. I love for her to be pleasured and if a hot opportunity came up, take it. Just tell me the juicy details later. She has the same conditions for me and wants me to have the same fun! We communicate about everything and this hasn't been an issue at all.

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We have open ended hall passes here. We can both do pretty much whatever we want, whenever we want as long as the other is informed that it is going to happen (or if it is a sudden thing, informed immediately after). It is incredibly hot to come home and share the story, or if one of us is out of town to share it over the phone, and see/hear how excited it makes the other.

 

If either of you have twinges of jealousy thinking about it, I wouldn't do it, but if it is just twinges of worry for the unknown, you could always go for a limited hall pass. Like you could just do things with clothes ON and see how it makes you feel knowing she has done something without you. If you enjoy it and don't feel any negative reaction at all, next time you could try going all the way.

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We have hall passes for when one of us (usually me) is out of town on business. Neither of us has used it yet. The only caveat is that if I am meet someone, I need to call to just let him know. Once, I made drinks/dinner arrangements with someone I met, hubby asked a few questions and gave me his blessing. Unfortunately, it didn't work out - I got stuck in a late business dinner.

 

When I am traveling, I work all day and into the evening. I don't seek out "friends", but am open to a friendly guy at the bar or hotel lobby. There's also the added complication of I am usually at a convention of some kind. I wouldn't want to hook up with someone who knew me as a business associate.

 

All in all, we don't have regular playmates or an open relationship at any other time - but we have talked about meeting friends separately - or being borrowed for a threesome.

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I don't know if you can correctly call a hall pass having a string attached a hall pass but that is the kind of pass that both of us have.

 

Examples:

 

- She says, "I am driving to Cleveland on Thursday to see so-and-so. I expect to be back at 7."

 

- I say, "Placed a 'Hot Date' at SLS for Sacramento to see if there are fun people to meet while I am there." If I am contacted and meet people, she knows who they are and when I'm meeting them.

 

Neither of expect stories to be told after any meet-up of this kind but we usually do have things to relate.

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Thanks All,

 

We're going to try it out this week and see how it goes. Mrs D&D has a set up for this week while I'm gone for work travel. its going to be interesting to see how I feel about her doing this by herself. When we started down this path a couple of months ago it was our intention to only play together. This is a new set of feelings for me to get used to. I guess, if you love her you got to let her go.

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Thanks All,

 

We're going to try it out this week and see how it goes. Mrs D&D has a set up for this week while I'm gone for work travel. its going to be interesting to see how I feel about her doing this by herself. When we started down this path a couple of months ago it was our intention to only play together. This is a new set of feelings for me to get used to. I guess, if you love her you got to let her go.

 

While we were looking for our first playcouple, Mrs. Alura met an attractive man who asked her out even though he knew she was married. We agreed she should take him up on his invitation the next time I was out of town on business. She found the sex to be boring; so was the story she told me later. We gave up the idea and concentrated on finding a couple. When that finally happened, it was certainly not boring!

 

Alura

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Hall passes can work when limits (or lack of) are clearly defined and nothing but entertainment is the desired outcome.

Alan & Dee aka as DarkenFreaky

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I think hall passes can be a very slippery slope for many couples.

 

Over the past few years there have been more than a few couples on the board that have related how they have hall passes for whatever reason, and how well it worked for them. Eventually you find out that this little arrangement didn't turn out exactly how they planned, and from there its easy to infer that it may have harmed the relationship.

 

I think the key is keeping hall passes to a minimum, and not relying on them as the primary method of swinging/non-monogamy. How often "too often" is will obviously vary from couple to couple.

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I think hall passes can be a very slippery slope for many couples.

 

Good Point! It does seem a lot of the "Hall Pass" couples who have come here didn't stay long and often changed to "single." (Research anyone?) "Hall Passes" were very rare for us, limited to the time we plotted the seduction of our high school sweethearts, and a couple of special experiments.

 

It's better for a couple to swing together, in my opinion.

 

Alura

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I think the key is keeping hall passes to a minimum, and not relying on them as the primary method of swinging/non-monogamy. How often "too often" is will obviously vary from couple to couple.

 

I really like this piece of advice. I agree it shouldn't be the primary mode of swinging. Ever. But every once in a while it is fun to step out and do something different - especially if there is a situation out of your control (traveling for work or the like) that means you'll be apart for a while. I enjoy the sharing the story part as much as if not more than the actual encounter on most occasions.

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An update: Last week while I traveled I gave mrs D&D a hall pass for the week. I knew who she was going to be with.

I short I didn't like it at all. For the first one I knew with whom and when it was going to occur. I was a nervous wreck during that time and after, my heart was pounding for the entire afternoon. When we initially called to speak with each other I didn't want to talk about it at all. It was really a pretty big turn-off for me, for a couple of hours after I really didn't even want to think about having sex. It wasn't until later that evening when we could reconnect via some good phone sex that the issues went away. The second time she met a friend, whom I don't really get along with hence we don't play as a couple. For that one I just ended up telling her I didn't want to know when or what or how. When I returned home a couple of days later we ended up speaking about that experience. But I still just didn't really want to hear about anything specific.

 

I don't know what to make of this as when we play together I really enjoy that she is with someone else. For the most part what she is doing doesn't really enter my thoughts as I am pretty focused on the person I am with. Of course since we have as until now only played in the same room together so there is a significant amount of being with her too. Its like we are doing this together. I think that some of the problem is that when we play together I know that our reconnection is imminent. When I was 3000 miles away that reconnection just can't occur. So far what I have liked best about swinging we those moments of reconnection... Especially the next day reconnection.

 

So for now no more hall passes. This is disappointing to me, and to her, because I travel a lot and both of us could take advantage of this. Perhaps what we need to do is step back a little and try playing in separate rooms or something similar where I can begin to come to terms with the lack of immediate reconnection.

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Last year, my hubby was asked to take a temporary assignment at his employer that had him out of town five days a week. He came home on weekends and holidays, which was very hard on all of us. He and I discussed the possibility of issuing each other "hall passes" while he was out of town. As I knew Mr. Sweet would not put his hall pass to use, I declined to do so, as well.

 

Upon his return from that assignment, he was given a new position at work that kept him traveling, though not quite as often. We put the hall pass topic back on the table, and I discovered his main reasons for declining his were that working all day and doing school work (online MBA), he was exhausted. He simply did not have the energy to go out and meet new people, and he did not wish to play with anyone with whom he worked.

 

As he began traveling a bunch this year, he made it clear that he was okay with me making use of a hall pass--so long as it was with a trusted playmate. I have used it a few times, and with no regrets. While he doesn't really want to hear all the details, Mr. Sweet does enjoy the reconnect with me.

 

We still prefer to play as a couple, but having this option is nice for when I get an itch and he's away. I hope someday that Mr. Sweet gives his hall pass a test run, though.

 

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Sweet tna, I wish I was there. It turns me on, makes me want to go to bed and get insane with her, just thinking about her playing while I'm gone. So I can understand how someone can hope that a spouse/partner enjoys a hall pass. However when she did use the hall pass it turned me inside out and makes me acutely aware of the fact that she wasn't with me and that I was thousands of miles and a couple of days away from being with her. And while the discomfort went away after we talked and when I returned home it just didn't outweigh my insides being turned inside out.

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However when she did use the hall pass it turned me inside out and makes me acutely aware of the fact that she wasn't with me and that I was thousands of miles and a couple of days away fro being with her. And while the discomfort went away after we talked and when I returned home it just didn't outweigh my insides being turned inside out.

 

He has a hall pass, with limits and conditions, including telling me all about it, because it turns me on. If it made me even a little uncomfortable, there wouldn't be a hall pass. This stuff is supposed to be fun, after all!

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Sweet tna, I wish I was there. It turns me on, makes me want to go to bed and get insane with her, just thinking about her playing while I'm gone. So I can understand how someone can hope that a spouse/partner enjoys a hall pass. However when she did use the hall pass it turned me inside out and makes me acutely aware of the fact that she wasn't with me and that I was thousands of miles and a couple of days away from being with her. And while the discomfort went away after we talked and when I returned home it just didn't outweigh my insides being turned inside out.

 

And there's nothing wrong with that. You tried a different dynamic, and it didn't work for you. It's sweet that you want to be with the Mrs. for playtime, and if that's what works for you, stick with it.

 

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I believe it should be an open pass for several reasons:

 

  1. Restrictions and rules outside of things like "practicing safe sex" and "check-in and let me know you're alive" create issues. Someone is always wondering if the other one is breaking the rules or not. This leads to distrust, stress and arguments.

  2. Restrictions and rules can kill everyone's fun.

  3. Restrictions and rules also apply to the person your partner is seeing and they were not there for those negotiations and to agree to them. You are in effect controlling them through controlling your partner. That's not fair to them.

  4. Trying to chose who your partner can and can't do, who they should and shouldn't be sexually attracted to, just pisses-off your partner, even if they don't tell you that it does.

 

You just have to trust your partner. They are an adult, not a child, and don't need supervision and you can't supervise them from 800 miles away, anyway. They will either do the right thing or the wrong thing. What a person does all depends on the person, not the rules.

 

To paraphrase Ammon Hennacy, when it comes to rules and laws "Good people don't need them and bad people don't follow them anyway."

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I believe it should be an open pass for several reasons:

 

  1. Restrictions and rules outside of things like "practicing safe sex" and "check-in and let me know you're alive" create issues. Someone is always wondering if the other one is breaking the rules or not. This leads to distrust, stress and arguments.

  2. Restrictions and rules can kill everyone's fun.

  3. Restrictions and rules also apply to the person your partner is seeing and they were not there for those negotiations and to agree to them. You are in effect controlling them through controlling your partner. That's not fair to them.

  4. Trying to chose who your partner can and can't do, who they should and shouldn't be sexually attracted to, just pisses-off your partner, even if they don't tell you that it does.

 

You just have to trust your partner. They are an adult, not a child, and don't need supervision and you can't supervise them from 800 miles away, anyway. They will either do the right thing or the wrong thing. What a person does all depends on the person, not the rules.

 

To paraphrase Ammon Hennacy, when it comes to rules and laws "Good people don't need them and bad people don't follow them anyway."

 

This all sounds good, in "we're all adults here" sort of way, but instead of nodding I found myself troubled.

 

1. If "practicing safe sex" and "check in and let me know you're alive" are okay, why isn't any other rule or restriction? Those are both about your and your partner's safety, and about your peace of mind, so allowing that and outlawing other things that are also about safety and peace of mind just seems like hairsplitting.

 

2. Sure, if you're inclined that way. If not, then restrictions and rules can be as playful and fun as a good pair of leather restraints.

 

3. Oh, but they are. Partners A1 and A2 agree on a set of rules. A2 conveys those rules to B1, who has the option to agree or disagree. That's eminently fair. That's leaving aside the issue that restrictions and rules aren't necessarily about control. Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't.

 

4. There I agree, at least in theory, but I can see a situation where one or the other takes a possibly irrational dislike of someone. I can live with that, possibly with a head-patting "sure, sure, of course I won't have sex with that awful man" nudge and wink, but it's not a particularly onerous restriction, because there are a nearly infinite number of people who won't push that button.

 

I think every relationship has rules and restrictions and negotiated settlements, some implicit, some explicit. If it feels like control, that's either because it is - in which case a lot of talking and some therapy is probably a good idea - or because you don't understand that a relationship is an entity with its own requirements and those can supercede those of the individual. It's an issue of common good, I think.

 

Your paraphrased quote is another place where I take issue. It doesn't really hold up. The thing is that most of us are somewhere between good and bad, mostly because we all walk around with our inner toddler still alive inside of us. It's fine to let it out to play, but it still has to have a bedtime and a routine. ;)

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I have given her a hall pass every time she goes out of town. She hasn't yet but tells me when the right man comes by she will. Told her as long as it is just sex and he leaves I have no issues.

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I believe it should be an open pass for several reasons:

 

1.Restrictions and rules outside of things like "practicing safe sex" and "check-in and let me know you're alive" create issues. Someone is always wondering if the other one is breaking the rules or not. This leads to distrust, stress and arguments.

2.Restrictions and rules can kill everyone's fun.

3.Restrictions and rules also apply to the person your partner is seeing and they were not there for those negotiations and to agree to them. You are in effect controlling them through controlling your partner. That's not fair to them.

4.Trying to chose who your partner can and can't do, who they should and shouldn't be sexually attracted to, just pisses-off your partner, even if they don't tell you that it does.

 

 

You just have to trust your partner. They are an adult, not a child, and don't need supervision and you can't supervise them from 800 miles away, anyway. They will either do the right thing or the wrong thing. What a person does all depends on the person, not the rules.

 

To paraphrase Ammon Hennacy, when it comes to rules and laws "Good people don't need them and bad people don't follow them anyway."

 

 

 

I couldn't disagree more with this!

 

1. Of course rules apply to the other person as well! This is a truism! We have rules on seeing other couples, so why would we ever not have rules when seeing people separately? Just because we agree to do you or some other couple does not mean that every thing is on the table to be discussed. Not everything is open to negotiation with us and neither with you! We have rules in place before we ever meet others. And I suspect that you have rules in place as well! We might take your safe sex rule as an example. There are many on this board who would claim that rule is a fun-killer and silly. Why would you have a rule like this in place before meeting and discussing it? By having such a rule you are unfairly controlling me and my spouse. How dare you be so controlling of my desires? The point is that basically, if you can't play with the rules in place then we all have a problem, but the problem isn't one of unfairness! Unfair is if I didn't lay out the rules and then sprung them on you or asked you to let me do something I wasn't willing to allow you. It is not in any way unfair to have rules in place and expect them to be followed by everyone involved.

 

 

2. Rules and restrictions are precisely what makes swinging fun and enjoyable. While we don't typically go after a soft swap couple, if we were interested we would certainly play by the rules. I also suspect that we would have a lot of fun! The rules are what enable everyone to have an enjoyable experience. Frankly your number 2 is something I would expect to come from my 17 year old son---who is always being prevented from enjoying life by the rules in place. Some of us can get hung up on the rules themselves, some of us manage to have a screaming good time with them.

 

3. I don't think you understand the relationship between trust and rules. Having rules and living by those rules is what makes a couple committed to each other. In fact I would argue that having those rules and living by them is what differentiates committed couples (married or otherwise) from singles. What do you think trust is if not defined by rule following? Trust is based on rule following: that is to say, I can't trust you at all if there aren't any rules that I am trusting you to follow. I can't trust that you won't cheat on me if you and I haven't come to an agreement about what we are! It isn't trusting a spouse to say I trust that she/he will do anything they want to. Trust in what someone does involves a limit on their behavior. It is precisely because they limit their behavior that I trust them.

 

Lastly, (and I want to add that I don't know you, you may be a very nice guy) this kind of attitude is at the heart of why single males have such a bad reputation. For most couples this is about having fun and exploring with the bounds (set of rules) of their relationship. That you can't have fun because of those rules is not the fault of the couple, or spouse that is trusting the other person to go explore under a certain set of conditions. It is not my job or my duty to enable you to have fun in anyway you please. Nor is it ever being unfair to you to expect you to behave in a certain way around my wife, while I am not present.

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I have a hall pass as I work out of town a good deal. Problem is, I never really feel like using it. By the time my day is done at work, get back to my room, grab a bite to eat, talk to the wife and kids I am too far gone to want to go out and party late knowing I have to work again in the mornings. I come home on Friday evening and go back Monday morning, so I am not there over the weekends, except in rare instances where I need to get some extra work done. The only people I meet are those I work with, and I avoid playing with co-workers.

 

My wife has the same deal while I am out, but with work and the kids there is just not much opportunity. Last year she did have a pass to play, and did, while I recovered from surgery. In the end it was not a bad thing, just not as exciting as she had thought it would be. She prefers that I be there. I was a bit apprehensive while she was out, until I knew she was home safe, then it was all good.

 

We talked about the fact that neither of us have used our pass since I have been working on the road and I think we agree, that if we felt really excited about it we would make the time and effort. It is not a pressing concern for either of us so we have not made the time. But it is there for us to use if the circumstances just fall into place, which is nice to know.

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I think hall passes can be a very slippery slope for many couples.

Over the past few years there have been more than a few couples on the board that have related how they have hall passes for whatever reason, and how well it worked for them. Eventually you find out that this little arrangement didn't turn out exactly how they planned, and from there its easy to infer that it may have harmed the relationship.

 

I think the key is keeping hall passes to a minimum, and not relying on them as the primary method of swinging/non-monogamy. How often "too often" is will obviously vary from couple to couple.

 

100* this.

 

Sadly we do not normally get the "Why this harmed our relationship" post, they simply stop posting. A couple I knew well enough they told me, but they never posted it here so no one knows but me.

 

I think this is one of those things where if its not a turn on for BOTH members, the jinni is best left in the bottle.

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I gave Dave a hall pass when I was a sick a couple years back (without restriction). I knew it would be close to a year before we could swing again. He never used it. We found that sex without the other doesn't mean a whole helluva lot. I threw that out to him in case he wanted to have some fun on the side. I believe most men (a lot of men) would have jumped at the chance to have a no-holds barred sex romp with anyone he wanted. Dave didn't. I think he'd offer the same for me... and I know I wouldn't go for it. For us, that's the whole point of swinging. We have much more fun together and watching each other. Without the one person, it's just plain ole sex. I did that enough before we married. It wasn't that great.

 

I think the key is keeping hall passes to a minimum, and not relying on them as the primary method of swinging/non-monogamy. How often "too often" is will obviously vary from couple to couple.

 

And I think this is a winning statement. If you do want to give out hall-passes, keep them to a minimum.

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...I think we agree, that if we felt really excited about it we would make the time and effort. It is not a pressing concern for either of us so we have not made the time.

 

This is pretty much how we approached the question. Is it worth it? Nah! Not really.

 

We were both manufacturers' reps. At first Mrs. Alura was home, nursing, and taking care of the baby and toddler. Later, she was on the road while I dealt with youth football, PTA, home room dad duties, fund raisers, annual chili supper, etc., etc. We first tried a hall pass before the kids were born, found it boring, and it never came up again. We just didn't care enough to put forth the effort to make it happen. Being exhausted after a day of calling on customers had some effect, I'm sure.

 

Alura

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I believe it should be an open pass for several reasons:

 

  1. Restrictions and rules outside of things like "practicing safe sex" and "check-in and let me know you're alive" create issues. Someone is always wondering if the other one is breaking the rules or not. This leads to distrust, stress and arguments.

  2. Restrictions and rules can kill everyone's fun.

  3. Restrictions and rules also apply to the person your partner is seeing and they were not there for those negotiations and to agree to them. You are in effect controlling them through controlling your partner. That's not fair to them.

  4. Trying to chose who your partner can and can't do, who they should and shouldn't be sexually attracted to, just pisses-off your partner, even if they don't tell you that it does.

 

You just have to trust your partner. They are an adult, not a child, and don't need supervision and you can't supervise them from 800 miles away, anyway. They will either do the right thing or the wrong thing. What a person does all depends on the person, not the rules.

 

To paraphrase Ammon Hennacy, when it comes to rules and laws "Good people don't need them and bad people don't follow them anyway."

 

I'll have to disagree with you here, as well.

 

All your statements about rules could easily apply to other swing situations, too. Yeah, those pesky rules can get in the way, but let's be real here. We're adults, but we're HUMAN. We humans tend to need a little structure to help us get along. And since it's really all about making sure everyone is safe and comfortable, that seems reasonable to me. Speaking strictly for myself, I'm okay with Mr. Sweet's preference to have veto power over the person with whom I may enjoy a hall pass. If he's not okay with it, there's no point in me doing so. I want him to be comfortable and supportive, and I understand it takes a measure of trust for him to let me play without him around. He's my husband, and it's his JOB to protect me.

 

As for the playmate with whom I'd use the hall pass, they are made aware of any rules we have and are given the opportunity to agree to our terms and play, or to decline. That's no different than playing together with another couple.

 

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I'll have to disagree with you here, as well.

 

All your statements about rules could easily apply to other swing situations, too. Yeah, those pesky rules can get in the way, but let's be real here. We're adults, but we're HUMAN. We humans tend to need a little structure to help us get along. And since it's really all about making sure everyone is safe and comfortable, that seems reasonable to me. Speaking strictly for myself, I'm okay with Mr. Sweet's preference to have veto power over the person with whom I may enjoy a hall pass. If he's not okay with it, there's no point in me doing so. I want him to be comfortable and supportive, and I understand it takes a measure of trust for him to let me play without him around. He's my husband, and it's his JOB to protect me.

 

As for the playmate with whom I'd use the hall pass, they are made aware of any rules we have and are given the opportunity to agree to our terms and play, or to decline. That's no different than playing together with another couple.

 

=)

 

Definitely agree. Also, if your partner doesn't care enough about your feelings to the point that they get resentful because they can't do something that makes you uncomfortable....your relationship isn't going to last very long. I think if you're going to get married both parties need to care about each others feelings and well beings as much as they do their own. I would never want to do anything that bothered my wife at all, even if it meant missing out on something I was interested in. There are plenty of other things we both want to do that we can focus on.

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I gave Dave a hall pass when I was a sick a couple years back (without restriction). I knew it would be close to a year before we could swing again. He never used it. We found that sex without the other doesn't mean a whole helluva lot. I threw that out to him in case he wanted to have some fun on the side. I believe most men (a lot of men) would have jumped at the chance to have a no-holds barred sex romp with anyone he wanted. Dave didn't.
When I was laid up last summer, JoAnn did not cash in on her hall pass. If she were out of circulation for any reason, I know she would be urging me to go out and have fun. I'm certain that I would not. Just us, I suppose.

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She only used hers once. I have done it a few times, with her approval, after she got tired of the LS and quit. Now she is putting strings on my hall pass after I used it without telling her first. I am having a bit of trouble getting used to the new "rules". Not sure how to proceed.

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Personal perspective, but to me the term "Hall Pass" specifies an undiscussed encounter. The reason the pass is necessary is that it HASN'T been discussed.

 

For instance, if I say she has a Hall Pass for Mr. Xyz, that means that she doesn't have to check w/ me if the opportunity presents itself.

If in a separate instance, she says she'll have this opportunity and I give my support/consent, then it wouldn't really be a Hall Pass. It would be a discussed and approved encounter, no different than swinging separately.

 

I have no problem giving a Hall Pass in the case of travel, sickness/injury, or other situations where one of us cannot be available. In situations where both of us are available, I'd prefer to discuss ahead of time, before anything happens. Even if the end result is the same, the communication and transparency is a big deal to me.

 

I would be WAY more comfortable with, "Hey honey, I'd really like to meet Mr. Xyz and screw him." than, "Hey honey, on my way home I met with Mr. Xyz and we screwed."

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I believe it should be an open pass for several reasons:

 

  1. Restrictions and rules outside of things like "practicing safe sex" and "check-in and let me know you're alive" create issues. Someone is always wondering if the other one is breaking the rules or not. This leads to distrust, stress and arguments.

  2. Restrictions and rules can kill everyone's fun.

  3. Restrictions and rules also apply to the person your partner is seeing and they were not there for those negotiations and to agree to them. You are in effect controlling them through controlling your partner. That's not fair to them.

  4. Trying to chose who your partner can and can't do, who they should and shouldn't be sexually attracted to, just pisses-off your partner, even if they don't tell you that it does.

 

You just have to trust your partner. They are an adult, not a child, and don't need supervision and you can't supervise them from 800 miles away, anyway. They will either do the right thing or the wrong thing. What a person does all depends on the person, not the rules.

 

To paraphrase Ammon Hennacy, when it comes to rules and laws "Good people don't need them and bad people don't follow them anyway."

 

That was probably one of the best pieces of swinging experience I have heard. How can you add to that?

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      Claire and Amy arrived home together on Wednesday evening. Amy said, “Claire got her first hall pass”. Then Claire said, “Amy told me all about her hall passes, I’m super excited.”
       
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      Amy said she would be watching a movie on TV, so if Clare and I wanted to go upstairs that’s perfect timing. We went upstairs and laid side-by-side on the bed talking. I asked Claire how old she was when she first made love? She said 15 years ago when she was  17. I told her that I was about 19 and that it was with Amy before we were married.
       
      We discussed how many different partners we had had. Claire said about six or seven for her. She said that she was quite promiscuous, and had sex with every boyfriend.  
       
      I told her about our one experience many years ago when we were camping with friends and how Amy had guided us rewards swinging. Apparently she knew the story about how Amy and Ken had begun having sex with his wife’s blessing.
       
      Claire told me about the parties they went to before moving here. They were soft swapping parties with college friends. Then they would have sex with their partner. When she and Pete moved here in April and Lesley suggested swinging they quickly liked the idea. Claire said she had fun with me in July and our threesome with Melissa was sort of  OK. She now wanted to catch up where we left off.
       
      She put on her negligée. She said look no patch, I take the pill now.   I stripped down to  my T-shirt and shorts.
       
      We began slow foreplay, her nipples were already quite hard as was my cock. "Let’s see how long we can holdout before you fuck me," she said. We played for almost one hour. We did some 69, lots of nipple kissing and body massaging.
       
      After two hours we finally said let’s go for it. Claire’s pussy  was extra moist. My cock slipped in all the way without any effort. "Hold to it there and don’t move while I count to one hundred," said Claire.
       
      At 99 she started making small movements that felt like a sensation of small electric shocks going across the end of my cock. We then changed to Claire riding on top. Perfectly  gauged strokes that hit her where she got the best sensation.
       
      After a while we moved to laying on our sides with me entering her pussy from behind and squeezing her  breasts. This is how we had our first orgasm, with Claire screaming as I filled her with warm cum.
       
      We laid for about half an hour before we had our second orgasm with Claire’s vagina oozing warm cum. Claire said that Amy would want all  the details in the  morning.  She said that she would tell the same story to  Amy and Pete. 

         

       
          

       

       
        
              
       
         
    • By Sudhit
      One of my friends was mentioning that his wife got invited for a vacation with one of their regular playmates. It would be a 4 day vacation, where only the wife goes with the BF, hubby stays back.
       
      Has anyone any experience of this scenario, they are swinger and cuckold couple.
    • By StartingOver60
      My wife and I went to a Lifestyle get-together last weekend.  When we got there, we mingled and as it turned out, my wife meet a couple.  She was sitting next to them having drinks, laughing, and having a good time.  I walked over she introduced me.  I sat next to his wife, and we were all enjoying the evening.   
       
      The other wife and I got up to get some drinks and we chatted at the bar.  "It looks like my wife has taking a liking to your husband," I said.  "Yes, they both are," she replied.  I asked, "Do you think you guys would like to come over to our house and we could continue the party there?"  She politely made it very clear she was not interested in having sex tonight.  I said, "OK, thanks for the heads up."
       
      As we sat there at the bar a friend come over to say hello.  She got up excused herself and returned to the table with her husband and my wife.  
       
      As the evening progressed my wife came over to me at the bar and told me she invited them to come home with us.  I was a bit confused but said sure.   We all left together, my wife in his car, and his wife in my car.  Our conversation during the drive was very nice and easy, and I thought she had changed her mind.  In the club, I could see my wife was very excited to be with her new friend.  
       
      We got to our house and sat around and had some drinks. All seemed to be good. However, when we decide to go upstairs, his wife restated she was not interested in playing tonight. My wife and I left them in the room to talk, and when we came back, he apologized and said sharing tonight is not going to happen.  I felt bad for my wife who was starry eyed at this guy.  He was telling her she looked like a women who was beautiful and fun, and he was very much looking forward to being with her tonight but maybe some other time. 
       
      My wife and I went in the kitchen to get some drinks for everyone, and I explained to her that the other wife had told me she was not interested in the bar.  "I thought she changed her mind, but I guess not," I explained. "I see you want this guy.  I don’t want you to be disappointed, I see and feel the attraction you two have.  When we go back into the room why don’t you ask him if he wants to see the view from our bedroom? That is our usual break the ice move to get things started.  I think this was his game plan all along to be with you even though she was not participating.  But I’m OK with it for your pleasure."
       
      I saw how hot she was for him. So I thought to myself don’t screw this up for her, she should get to enjoy the moment. 
       
      He jumped at the request, and they were off.  I sat with his wife and said, "Are you ok with them going upstairs because I don’t think they care about the view?".  She did not say anything but also did not object to what was going to happen. 
       
      As it goes, my wife had a great experience, so they were up there for an hour. I am sure they enjoyed each other.  When they came down my wife gave me a sweet kiss. We sat for a while then all politely said goodbye.
       
      The next weekend we went to a party at our friends' house. It was a vanilla evening but a number of friends were there.  We had played with the host couple once before, but tonight was not that type of party. 
       
      The next morning my wife realized she left her purse at Tim and Jean's house.  She asked me to go and pick it up.  I said I would on the way back from my bike ride.  On the way back I detoured and stopped at the house.  Jean answered the door and asked me in.  She asked if I would like a cup of coffee, I said sure.  I asked where Tim was, and she said he had left early this morning for an overnight ski trip with some of his buddies. 
       
      We were in the kitchen and Jean was filling the coffee cups. I was looking at her in her robe as she delivered the hot coffee.  We sipped the coffee and chatted but my thoughts while looking at this beautiful woman, came out of my mouth, “Are you wearing anything under that robe?”  She smiled and got up and brought her cup to the sink.  She walked back to the table where I was sitting and said, "You will have to find out for yourself."  I was stunned thinking she was kidding.  She said again,  "All it takes to find out is to pull the robe's belt and open the robe."
       
      She stood in front of me as I sat in the chair. I pulled the robe belt and opened slowly opened the robe.  She was naked and moved her chair in front of me and opened the robe and leaned forward and kissed me deep.  She moved my head down into her crotch and I got on my knees and went at it not believing what was happening.  She was enjoying the moment, she moaned she was coming and squeezed her legs around my head. 
       
      When she released my head from the grasp of her legs she took my hand and brought me into her bedroom.  She sat on the bed as I undressed. I rubbed her legs gently and picked them up high and spread them apart, she fell back, and I penetrated that wet beautiful tasting pussy. 
       
      I pounded her over and over and when I stopped I got on the bed.  I laid on my back and she put my hard cock in her mouth and started sucking me and would not stop until I came, and she told me how good I taste.  We laid there for a few minutes not speaking and I was ready again and I turned her on her side and lifted one leg over my shoulder and began pounding her again.  We went on for awhile and she had another orgasm and told me to cum inside her.  She got on top and pounded me and made me explode inside her. 
       
      We laid there together for a while, eyes closed resting, when her phone rang.  It was Tim, he made it to the mountains and just checking in.  I was feeling bad for what just happened, but it was a great experience.  She repeated out loud what Tim asked - "What are you doing?" Jean replied - "Well, Allan stopped over to pick up Susan’s purse she left over here last night.  I invited him in and we had a cup of coffee.  I was in my robe and one thing led to another and I had Allan’s face in my crotch. Then we took it to the bedroom, and we had a giant orgasmic experience.  I will tell you all about it when you get home.  Are you OK with this?  Good, I will tell Allan.  Have fun skiing.”
       
      So, in discussing this with Jane I said I was shocked at what she just told Tim.  She said, “We are always honest with each other.  It will be so hot when he returns home, I will be in for another great time.  So, I am also going to be honest with you.  You wife left the purse here on purpose.  She asked me if I would give you some great sex because you were a sweetheart last weekend.  You worked it out so she could be with the gentleman she picked up at the club and she felt that you missed out, so she came up with this idea.  But please understand, I was looking forward to it and it was a fantastic morning fuck with a good friend.  Tim was not aware of this, but I will work it out with him when I explain the story.  Susan said she the four of us can get together, or she will get with Tim alone if he prefers and you are OK with it.  You have a great caring wife Allan.  Please tell her thanks for including me in this scheme.”
    • By Maturecouple1122
      When my wife and I first started in the lifestyle, we had some hard rules.  One of which was no solo playing.  Six months and three BBC adventures later, she decided that the “no solo” play rule was nonsense and asked, more like begged, to be able to play alone five miles away. She was off for summer break.  Since I was working 30 miles away and she was home alone all day, I relented.
       
      About a week later, I came home from work and she was waiting for me in stilettos and a flowing summer dress sans underwear.  The dress was a halter type with a slit all the way past her thigh.  She also had the tell-tale twinkle in her eye that she usually gets after she climaxes.  Since she usually wears jeans and t-shirts during the day, I knew something was up.  She had a cocktail already made for me and an appetizer tray.  I was impressed.
       
      She led me to the living room sofa and when she sat down, her dress fell open and I could clearly see her bare pussy and one of her nipples.  Now I knew something great was about to happen.  I asked her how her day went and what was the reason for the seduction.  She then said, “I had a great day!”  Then she proceeded to tell me in detail what happened.
       
      Her BBC friend DJ came by on his tri-wheeled motorcycle to take her for a ride.  She was wearing a very short maroon skirt with a yellow sheer top.  She had a g-string but no bra.  She was not expecting a motorcycle ride.  He handed her a helmet and off they went.  Since she was in a short skirt, her pussy rubbed directly on the seat as they cruised.  The g-string enhanced he friction from the motorcycle vibration on the seat.  She nearly came from the ride itself.   After they returned to the house, she invited DJ in for some refreshments.
       
      Refreshments were quickly consumed and she led him to the bedroom where he helped her remove blouse and skirt.   As she dropped her g-string, her pussy stains were quite evident.  
      My wife is usually not very submissive. But for some reason, she enjoys when DJ dominates her and she tries things with him she never lets me or anybody else do.
       
      DJ is a former football player with a very muscular physique.  His cock is rather short for a black man, only about 5.5 inches long.  The girth of his cock however is unbelievable.  When he is flaccid, the circumference of his cock is close to the size of a Red Bull drink can.  When he is erect, he is almost as round as a beer can.  Since he is so wide, he easily hits her g-spot on every thrust which makes her cum in great quantities.  After he finished cumming in her pussy, they took a short rest to recover and replenish fluids.  As they were laying in each other’s arms, he made my wife get into a kneeling position and open her mouth.  He then grabbed her head and started to push his cock into her mouth which was no easy feat given his size. Unbelievable to her, she actually took most of his cock in her mouth and sucked him until he came down her throat.  Something she refuse to let me do.
       
      Next, he made her lay on her stomach with a pillow under her waist.  He then proceeded to flog her ass, thighs, and cunt lips with a leather flog.  She always said she didn’t care for BDSM activities but here she was, laying on her stomach with a cum load in her pussy, one in her belly, getting her genitals flogged by a stranger.  The more he flogged her cunt, the more she squirmed and moaned until she actually orgasmed.   
       
      She then felt cool coconut oil being rubbed on and in her sphincter.  She told me him was too big but he didn’t listen.  He then grabbed her by the hips and pushed his beer can cock into her ass.   After an initial painful gasp, she finally became accustomed to his cock in her ass and actually started fucking him.  When she grants me the rare opportunity to fuck her ass, she begs me to go fast so I cum quickly and finish.  Given DJ had already cum twice, there was no rushing him.  He pounded her ass for at 10 or more minutes until he came the third time.
       
      As she lay exhausted, DJ dressed and kissed her goodbye.  I came home about an hour later.
       
      As she related her experiences that day she noticed I was visibly aroused and decided it was my turn to have fun.  We went into the bedroom and I started to licking her all over.  While the shower she took after DJ left cleaned out her pussy, it didn't quite get all of his cum out of her ass.  I tasted another man’s cum for the first time in my life.  For some reason, she now enjoys an occasional flogging and ass fucking from me.                         
    • By a. synonymy
      Let me first apologize in advance if this (or something similar) has been covered and discussed extensively already. I'm sure my situation is not entirely new or original, but it is for me, so I'm throwing it out there. If you've got any experience or advice you'd like to drop my/our way, by all means, please do so. I also apologize for the length but the reality is that this deal has some history to it that I think is relevant.
       
      My wife (25) and I (27) have been married for five years, we have a son that just turned two. For several years, we've talked in foreplay about having other partners - but it was just talk for a very long time and nothing more. After the baby was born our sexuality dwindled considerably and until last summer, it seemed like it was going to evaporate into nothing. Well, at some point over the summer we both started seriously (and excitedly) considering the idea of swinging and perused some of the sites regarding it. We put a discreet profile out there, met a couple and after careful consideration, we had them over for dinner and whatever might come. To start off the night, we began fooling around with our own wives but no one ever 'made the move' and it ended up being a nervous and awkward event. They courteously left the next day and nothing happened.
       
      We continued to talk to the couple and decided to reschedule another night, but eventually we started getting cold feet about it and just decided to put the site and our vague and fledgling relationship with them behind us. So we did, but with some strange side effects remained lingering. My feelings about her with another guy are in somewhat flux, but for the most part, if it's the right guy/situation, I'm confident I could deal with it - considering seeing her with another man, as for many guys, is a huge turn on. For me, it's even a bigger turn on than getting it off with another woman. But my feelings are sporadic in this regard, so I can't say for certain how I feel. She, on the other hand, doesn't necessarily want to be with another man anymore. What she does want, from both a sexual and emotional angle, is that I explore having a relationship with another woman, but not strictly sexual. She wants me to have a real girlfriend on the side.
       
      Now I trust my wife on this. She's fully aware of this site and my posting here, as she'll no doubt read it upon me showing it to her (she may even participate). That being said, I want it to be known that she's not looking to split up our relationship or cover for something she's doing on the side. She's genuinely enjoyed talking about the idea, as far as I can tell, of me doing sexual things and emotional things (dating, caring for, commitment) with another woman.
       
      For the average married guy, I suppose this is an easy situation - you get to have sex outside of your marriage at your wife's consent, what could be better than that? And trust me, I see the advantages to it. That being said, I have some serious concerns...
       
      My major concern is who the hell would want something like that? How do I approach it with someone? We've done some extensive research on polyamory and swinging, so we're both comfortable with me having another girl who I have a relationship with, but I just don't even know where to begin to look for such a thing. How do you even breach that subject with someone I like without looking like I'm trying to find a clever way to cheat on your wife? I find people are usually on two sides of the bed with regard to having an emotional/sexual relationship outside of the marriage. Either they want to do it behind their spouse's back and are cheating -or- they simply want to experience the openness of sex outside their marriage like the average swinger. I'm somewhere in between the two and I'm not really familiar with how to handle that at all. To complicate things, we're close to my extended family and they are very religious - if something like this were to happen, it would have to be somewhat discrete? Is a relationship like that possible and enjoyable? Would another person ever consider something of that nature?
       
      Anyways, I've written a lot and I don't want to present an 'epic ton' of nonsense here. I've read this site from time to time and I figured it was a good place to find open and honest people to bring something like this up and get some good advice. Let me know how you would go about looking for another partner like this? How you would present the situation (I'm married but my wife wants me to have a girl friend) to someone? How would you maintain a relationship like this? What are the pitfalls? What should I look out for?
       

       
      Feel free to ask me any questions that might fill in the gaps. Thanks in advance for any responses...
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