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My girlfriend and I have great sex. Sandy her 29 year old daughter knows and approves. She is very sexy and sensual. While growing up she slept with her mother and nudity was normal.

 

Recently, she walked in on us. Her mom then said that since she was here she should help by taking some pictures and a short video.

 

After she finnished, Sandy then said can I join you? Her mom said we will think about it and talk with you later.

 

Should we allow her to join?

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Whoa.... :confused:

 

Seriously, does this really happen outside of badly-acted porn? If it were me, I would be walking away from this one. The possible mental and emotional complications on all sides are endless; it gives me a headache just considering them. That is just something that is not in my ballpark.

 

I'm not going to tell you how to run your life or what values/morals you should have, but if you want advice, you are going to get a "no"...wait, you get a "HELL NO" from me.

 

Mr. Funk

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Personally, no, I wouldn't want her to join us. But that is just my feelings about it. It would just seem weird with a mother and daughter at the same time. Especially if there was any play between them. That is just the parent in me talking, though.

 

I would think even both of them at seperate times would cause problems in your relationship with your girlfriend (the mother). Although the fantasy seems cool, I'd leave this one alone.

 

Mr. WS

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Any way you look at it the risk of drama and emotional issues are more than I can count...but if her and her mom are really interested and you don't mind if it causes drama or breaks up your relationship...

 

You are all adults.

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glurck. Excuse me! I lost my lunch.

 

Here to tell you that you don't want to know what I think.

 

It appears pushing boundaries poses as many issues in life as does abiding by the societal "norm". hum.

 

My bad, I thought you said 19, she's 29. Hum. Still sounds fucked up to me, dude. But hey! You asked for input.

 

I think you should consider the kids well being because the mother isn't. Keep your dick to yourself and your girl friend.

 

well. go ahead. hiss and boo me.

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If you are considering staying with your GF, I would recommend against it. I can't fathom the complications for just YOU that could come of this in the future....2, 5 or 10 years down the road.

 

The consequenses for each of the women involved and their psyche IMO have the possibilities of catastrophe.

 

I would tell the daughter (as nicely as possible) to find her own playmates. I would also tell your GF that this could be something she may sorely regret for the rest of her life. I agree with Just1girl...someone needs to be the parent here...

 

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I guess you aren't breaking any laws since neither woman is related to you, but I'm not in your corner on this. I'd strongly recommend against it using the logic most of the other folks already posted.

 

Personally...ick.

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Go for it but make sure you all talk about it first. I don't see the problem with three adults getting in bed. as long as the two girls don't play with each other all is good.

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meandher2go said:
Go for it but make sure you all talk about it first. I don't see the problem with three adults getting in bed. as long as the two girls don't play with each other all is good.

 

It is not three adults - it's a parent and a child. The power dynamic of that relationship is not equal.

 

Just wondering, if you see it as ok for a parent and child to get into a sex act together with another individual, why should they not play with each other?

 

If this is a truthful post of events (entirely unconvinced), talk all you want, it won't change that mom has a screw loose and you are not just wanting to screw her kid, you are going to assist in screwing her up.

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While everyone is adults, I still wouldn't do it and would advise against it. Unless the two of them have done this kind of thing before, I would imagine that there would be too much drama involved after, and maybe even during.

 

I guess this leaves me wondering if the two of them have done this before???

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My immediate thought was...who with any sense would reply to this post...

 

...damn I just wasted 2 minutes.

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Its not often you find me speechless, but this did it.

 

dictionary.com =

 

INCEST:

 

2. The statutory crime of sexual relations with such a near relative.

 

 

Possibly, it is on the books. The first definition had to do with marriage and wasn't the issue here.

 

 

someone was just telling me the other day, "be careful what you let in your head".

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I still think a 29 year old girl knows what she is doing. Is it messed up, heck yeah. but that's how I see it. To me it is totally wrong for the mom and daughter to play (obviously) but if her 29 year old daughter wants to join in the fun with the guy, go for it.

 

I never say I'm always right, and in this case i might be wrong.

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One question...what is the mother thinking? I thought this was only something you read about and never considered anyone would actually do it! Just my opinion, but this is really sick.

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valley said:

My immediate thought was...who with any sense would reply to this post...

 

...damn I just wasted 2 minutes.

 

Yup, me too.

 

Does this even happen except for those set up situations on Springer? :rolleyes:

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I agree with the majority 99.9%.

 

There's is that .1% of me though that imagines a hot pornstar mom and her hot pornstar daughter who are so sexually liberated that it doesn't feel wrong at all.

 

What? It could happen!

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I would imagine that this is not legal in any of the United States of America and agree with the other posters that this is going to truly harm the relations between the two women. The man of course loses nothing because he will be able to walk away if things do not work out but those two will be mother and daughter for life. There are some things out there you should just not share with others.

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OK I THINK I HAVE BEEN GONE A LITTLE TOO LONG I have been active on this board for quite sometime, I am very liberal and have a To each their own attitude BUT COME ON.... how do you not see the wrongness in this? Not only is it Illegal, it is just not morally right. I know I know we should not point fingers and To each their own BUT GOOD GOD If it was me I would tell me daughter I was sorry that she caught me in a compromising position but it is private for me only, I would answer any questions she had BUT NEVER EVER invite her into my bed. If she is that interested Direct her to a local club or a Different circle of friends you may know and make darn sure your paths dont cross in a club

 

Seriously :confused:

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Not everyone will agree with us I'm sure, but we think it is a great idea if the next two words you want to hear are...

 

HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERES JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERrY

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valley said:
My immediate thought was .....who with any sense would reply to this post...

 

,,,,damn I just wasted 2 minutes.....

You know, I thought that at first too. But, then I thought that anyone just casually lurking on this board that comes across this thread could get a wrong idea about what swinging is and isn't, especially since many seem to think we are just a bunch of horny sex fiends that would do just what magnavox is proposing. So, I too put in my $0.02 worth just for posteriorities sake.

 

Mr. WS

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gee mate, it's not up to you. It is really between mother and daughter what they get up to.

 

Your only choice is "do you want to have a physical relationship with your girlfriend's daughter." I'm guesing the answer is yes.

 

I would swing the answer back to mother's court and tell her it is up to her and her daughter to decide.

 

Then all three of you get together and discuss the boundaries between you.

 

Swinging only works when there is open honest communication between all parties involved.

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magnavox said:
My girlfriend and I have great sex. Sandy her 29 year old daughter knows and approves.

 

She is over 21. I say yes as long as you have discussed possible problems of jealousy between mom and daughter, in which case it could mess up your relationship with mom.

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magnavox said:
My girlfriend and I have great sex. Sandy her 29 year old daughter knows and approves. She is very sexy and sensual. While growing up she slept with her mother and nudity was normal.

 

Recently, she walked in on us. Her mom then said that since she was here she should help by taking some pictures and a short video.

 

After she finnished, Sandy then said can I join you? Her mom said we will think about it and talk with you later.

 

Should we allow her to join?

 

You are kidding, right? Does the daughter make it a habit of just walking in your room? She obviously has no respect for boundaries. Go figure, look who raised her. The suggestion that she "help" by taking pictures just boggles the mind but then throw in her joining you is beyond comprehension. For all of you to even entertain the thought makes me think all of you need a check up from the neck up.

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I know that for some incest is a hot fantasy. I can read stories about incest and think they are hot, but this is one area for me where fantasy and reality must remain completely separate. As soon as it becomes personal - anything hot about it totally disappears and the eeeewwww factor kicks in. I've told my hubby many times - family is totally off limits!! He totally gets it too, because as hot as he thinks some of my family members are when I turn it around to "his" family (which I only do for illustrative purposes) then he get's the eeewwww factor too! I even extend this to some friends. I have a single friend who works with one of our swinger friends (she knows he is a swinger but doesn't know I am and doesn't know I know him). She has been a friend for so long that she is more like family to me - and therefore she is also off limits! Maybe I still have some hang ups - but I'm sticking with the no family rule!!!

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Well, I for one beg to differ from those who have previously posted. I have enjoyed a mother daughter session and spent quite a lot of time with two sisters. You are describing an adult situation. As adults, only those involved know what is comfortable for them. I am surprised that the daughter was not asked to join in other than to handle a camera. To THAT I say, shame on you. It is rude to allow a hungry person to watch a feast but yet never invite them to sit at the table....really, bad manners. I have found that those whom partake in incestuous sexual relations have a differing view upon those relations than do the outsiders looking in. So, in essence, you are asking outsiders to look in upon you and judge your actions. Having experienced this type of sexual enjoyment, I will say, 1) she was raised to ask first before joining in 2) she should have been included as soon as she asked 3) your reaction was probably not what they wanted and thus the "talk" 4) if ever in that situation remember, you are only an "interloper" and their relationship would never hinge upon your decision of this 5) welcome her with loving arms and a hard cock if you are ever lucky enough to be asked to pleasure them both again.

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Skamp said:
Well, I for one beg to differ from those who have previously posted. I have enjoyed a mother daughter session and spent quite a lot of time with two sisters. You are describing an adult situation. As adults, only those involved know what is comfortable for them. I am surprised that the daughter was not asked to join in other than to handle a camera. to THAT I say, shame on you. It is rude to allow a hungry person to watch a feast but yet never invite them to sit at the table....really, bad manners. I have found that those whom partake in incestuous sexual relations have a differing view upon those relations than do the outsiders looking in. So, in essence, you are asking outsiders to look in upon you and judge your actions. Having experienced this type of sexual enjoyment, I will say, 1) she was raised to ask first before joining in 2) she should have been included as soon as she asked 3) your reaction was probably not what they wanted and thus the "talk" 4) if ever in that situation remember, you are only an "interloper" and their relationship would never hinge upon your decision of this 5) welcome her with loving arms and a hard cock if you are ever lucky enough to be asked to pleasure them both again.

 

No-Funking-Way...it's hard to believe I just read this.

 

Hey, I'll be the first to say "to each their own", but man oh man, to bring forth this line of reasoning is way way WAY out of left field...if left field had crop circles in it.

 

Problems await in this situation...walk away...just walk away...

 

Mr. Funk

I need a drink after this one

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You have to be asking have mom & daughter done this sort of thing before? Sounds to me like this is something they have done. You no. Sounds to me like you got your self a couple of freaks. I say go for it. Make sure you have video cam going cuz you can always sell the video :D

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magnavox said:
My girlfriend and I have great sex. Sandy her 29 year old daughter knows and approves. She is very sexy and sensual. While growing up she slept with her mother and nudity was normal.

 

Recently, she walked in on us. Her mom then said that since she was here she should help by taking some pictures and a short video.

 

After she finished, Sandy then said can I join you? Her mom said we will think about it and talk with you later.

 

Should we allow her to join?

 

Definitely. She will be horny as hell and in need of relief either from you or her mother.

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Definately. She will be horny as hell and in need of relief either from you or her mother

 

Ick. In need of relief? More like in need of therapy. I'd have to guess that the number of people who are actually turned ON by the thought of sex with a parent has to be WAY less than those who are totally repusled by it.

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It all sounds too sick for my taste.. I am a mother and would never even think of having my daughter (even if she is an adult) take pictures and then let her join for some fun...That in my book is wrong!

 

I don't find it wrong to talk with your kids about sex and have fun that way but to bring them into your bed???? Something is wrong with that picture. :nono:

 

It sounds like to me that mom has some issues that she needs to deal with if she is not thinking of what type of affect this could have on the relationship with the daughter or with you the SO....There are only so many things that you can share with your children, and sharing an SO is not one of them.

 

I would steer clear of that situation and either be straight up and say "Hell NO" or walk away from the relationship if she continues to push it at you.

 

MrsVan

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I'd say go for it, after all you are all adults. If the daughter was only 18, I'd say maybe not, cause it could still have a negative mental effect on her. I've had sex with my wife and her mother at the same time a few times so I see nothing wrong with it. Of course my wife and her mom won't touch each other for obvious reasons, but that's ok, more action for me.....or for you in your case. Just make sure you all talk it out completely before you do it, like someone else said, you don't want anything to happen to ruin your relationship, or theirs.

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Readers need to know some background. Mother and daughter slept together while daughter was growing up. But, they have had no sex together. Mother taught daughter that sex is good and how to masturbate.

 

What we finally did. Mother and daughter and I played. There was no sex between mother and daughter. Mother went wild watching daughter and me. Mother's fantasy was to see me with another woman, and daughter was acceptable after some serious talking. Mother came several times watching. She wanted daughter who had a bad marriage before the divorce to experience the great sex that she and I have.

 

Daughter was thrilled to be pleased the way her mother was when we have sex.

 

Daughter has new boyfriend who has experience in the lifestyle. So, last night we all went out and had a great time and came home to play. We swapped several times and all had a great time.

 

We talked before and after and all said we are mature adults who want each to be satisfied. We will swing again but only when all are present. Daughter likes boyfriend and mother likes me

 

There has been no drama, only ectasy and excitement that comes with the lifestyle.

 

Now tell me what you think! Thanks, mag

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Usually if there's a limb, you can find me out there.

 

But I find this situation revolting. No way would I even consider doing that as a mother, and my daughter would be horrified. What is normal and what is not? We can only say for ourselves. But there are social mores that should not be broken.

 

My only hope in this situation is that you are a Troll and just looking to be flamed. If that is the case, you succeeded in getting my attention.

 

That kid is gonna come out of this more fucked up than she already is and that mom should have her head examined. You, my friend, should run like hell. JMHO.

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The fact that you would actually sleep with a mother and her daughter is really sick. And you made it worse by coming on here and advertising it. It appears that you all deserve to be with each other because the mother has absolutely no morals and quite possibly is brain damaged(She has to be to want to engage herself in this mess). You are the type of person that gives the lifestyle a bad name.

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Having been on several other "vanilla" boards where I've voiced my opinion of the lifestyle, I was verbally bashed as this poor soul has been here. I will say to each their own, and while I cannot condone magnavox's choice, and personally cannot understand it, if they truly truly are not hurting one another in their activities, it is not my place to dictate morality to them. We've had to fight often enough for our right to our own sense of morality in the lifestyle. Put this argument on a vanilla message board, and change the topic to swinging rather than incest, and you'll see the reactions and responses don't differ much. Having never been in magnavox's shoes, and having no experience whatsoever with incestuous relationships, I cannot say with with 100% certainty that it cannot be engaged in a healthy way. I don't understand it - and don't really want to understand it, TYVM - but that just means that I can't say much about it if they assert that they are all making sound, adult decisions, and are taking responsibility for the outcome of said decisions. It's just none of my business.

 

I will say, though, that I'm afraid if you're looking for condonement of your practices, you're not likely to find it here...open-minded as we like to think of ourselves. It just crosses the line for most folks here, Magnavox.

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I gotta Ditto Intuition here. Having suffered the slings and arrows of the self righteous for being a swinger and sometimes from swingers for being a single male. I gotta say live and let live. If the Mother and Daughter didn't have sex with each other I don't have a lot to say about it. And even if I did "I wouldn't do that shit if I was you" would be about the most I could dredge up at this point.

 

To each his own.

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I'm with Intuition as well.

 

Who are we to judge after all the bashing this lifestyle takes from those who claim to be on the moral High ground. How is saying what he is doing is sick and wrong any different from others saying what we do is sick and wrong? It just not our place.

 

I think Magnovox said earlier the daughter is 29. We are not talking about a minor or even young adult here. It is entirely up to them how they chose to live provided they aren't hurting anyone.

 

This group should understand and accept that better than any. Saying, to each his own is not the same as condoning an action it just acknowledges that it is up to the individual to make these decisions for themselves.

 

Just my 2 cents.

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Intuition, per usual, has it pegged. The thing is, when you ask point-blank what we think, we're gonna give it to you. Honesty is usually never in short supply here. You're going to do what you want, and that's the way the world turns, but if one does not want dissenting opinions, don't post and ask for it. It seems as though Magnavox wanted to know what we thought, so we told him. All of our lives go on. I don't see any wrongs committed here so far. Next?

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sdlights said:
Who are we to judge after all the bashing this lifestyle takes from those who claim to be on the moral High ground.

 

There is a big difference between something that could be dammed from certain morality viewpoint, like swinging from some vanilla people, than something considered taboo in our culture.

 

As far as I know, the incest is taboo in every society, not always the forbidden relationship would be parents and childs, in some societies sex could be forbidden for other relationships. This may be something like "eat shit, all the flies cannot be wrong", or may be something that actually have a real motivation and turn to have a function inside the society.

 

Levy Strauss researched about the incest subject at the sight of how this rule could be so spread in so many different cultures, being probabily just the only rule that all the cultures had in common along history and even today. Other cultures doesn't deem recreational sex (or what in our culture is swinging), there are cultures that accept polyamoral relationships while still forbidding incest.

 

So, it seems there may be some objective distinction between swinging and incest, without taking into account the "moral grounds".

 

As I understand, Levy Strauss proposed that forbidding incest is the "paradigm rule" from where all the other social rules required to organize our societies derivates the "capability" to be enforced.

 

Besides, it was said that, in our origins, where mankind were made of seldom isolated tribes with few families, the genetic pool in these groups were not big enough as to avoid enhancing genetic defects into their descendants, thus this rule would ultimately force the exchange of people from different tribes, increasing to genetic pool size. This makes sense, and the side effects of the lack of genetic pool could be something noticeabe (even when not knowing anything about genetics) to the point of finding out a way to avoid the problem by forbidding incest, and this would explain this cultural common factor.

 

Jackes Lacan correlated Levy Strauss theories with Freud ones, to redraw the categories made by the later to explain human behavior and change the conception of mental healthy. Freud proposed there were "normal" people and ill people, categorized as neurotics, perverts and psychotics. Lacan proposed there doesn't exist the "normal" category, instead these three categories were we all fit into, by means of a structure someone have regarding the law: neurotics would be the ones aware of the law who trends to follow it, perverts would be the ones aware of the law who challenge it, and psychotics would be those unaware of the law. There are normal people fitting to any of these categories, and ill people in any of them, and "normality" would be defined from the amount of suffering someone have when dealing with his/her own structure, although some of the perverts and even more of the psychotics would be the ones with higher chances to damage the rest of the society (and you can say perverts would be the ones who lead customs and law changes inside their societies).

 

Now, these structure regarding the law is explained by Lacan by the ways everyone personality is being shaped during childhood. A kid have every need satisfied when inside the mother uterus. When he/she born, is unable to express these needs and the mother does everything she can to fulfill the kid requirements, so the kid goes on with a relationship with the mother where the only ha/she have to do is cry to get attention, until someone else come into scene to interfere and break this relationship, usually the father, forcing the kid to be aware of others and pushing him/her to find out other ways to get the needs fulfilled, ultimately this teach the kid the need to negotiate and bargain to fulfill his/her needs. This third one (the father), is the one who shapes a awareness for the law. If the kid isn't pushed at all because no one takes the third one role (or does it without sufficient strength), the more likely is that the kid structure will end up being psychotic. If the kid is aware of the law but the third one authority is somehow undermined as for him to learn the way to challenge it, the kid structure would be pervert, and if the authority is strong enough, the structure would be neurotic.

 

I am not a doctor, and I know there are a lot of categorizations and explanations, including physical/chemical brain problems that could overlap with other explanations, but from the ones I've hearing so far, this one seems to me to be "aseptic" enough, in the sense that it isn't grounded in the society moral standards.

 

This theory also would explain what happens to us when dealing with incest cases like this thread one. The incest would ring a bell in our heads, as a warning about people who doesn't seem to be aware of the law at all, just because they're throwing away the "paradigmatic" law shared in every culture. The mother is centered on herself, in her own need to keep fulfilling her child needs at any extent, pretending the kid is still in her belly, but reaching the point where even the kid sexual needs are fulfilled. The kid get everything he needs just as a result of wishing it, without knowing how to bargain with others, thus being perceived as dangerous by the rest of us, since he may not bargain with us when needing something from us, he could be unaware of our needs, to the extent of being unaware of our life value (what would prevent such a kid from killing someone to get his way?).

 

Incest is a society made of just two, mother and child, forgetting about the rest of the us, and it may be taboo because it threatens the entire society if it were allowed or promoted to make as many sub-societies as mothers are in the society, ultimately breaking it apart.

 

Even if you think all of what I said is bullshit, I doubt most people today would make such an issue from other behaviors, like swinging, for devious they may think it is, as most people do with incest.

 

So, you don't need to stand in high moral grounds to deem incest, and it seems understandable that swingers want to set themselves apart from incestuous people.

 

Moreover, swinging requires a higher awareness for the law (the rules a couple set for themselves) and for the third ones (the spouse needs and feelings, the other people involved needs and feelings); to some extent you can say swingers may stand on a higher moral grounds than others (even when we may be classified as perverts in the sense that we challenge the current social rules we're aware of), but incest is the opposite thing: to do it you require to be unaware of the law, and the relationship is one denying the existence of third ones, less to be aware of them.

 

Even the ones that doesn't understand that there is a difference between swinging, or for the sake, BDSM, zoophiilia, or whatever "weird" thing you may think of, and incest, are perceived by me as "dangerous" enough as to want to keep distance from them.

 

This guy is a troll, I may not even buy the story, but even so he enjoy the idea of incest to the point of promoting it by means of gathering other people opinions in this forum and claiming how well incest fits into what he thinks the lifestyle is (a no rules barred, instead of the ruled activity we know it is).

 

Unless this guy born language were not English (he claims to be in Florida), the lack of awareness for the law is perceived even in his grammar (and even for someone like me, whose born language isn't English). He says "who the hell needs pronouns or articles if the sentence is still meaningful? It's pointless to have a grammar rule enforcing them, let's give a shit about this rule". Do you see the pattern here? What ensure the rest of us that he won't give it a shit about any other rule, moreover the ones we valuate?

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What magnavox feels is a good time may not be for me but if you read it all, there is NO incest here at all.

 

The mother is not his wife and he is not the father for the 29 year old daughter. She is not a minor child at age 29.

 

The Mother and Daughter did not have sex together. No Incest.

 

Since I am the last one here that can judge since no one died and left me boss all I can say is that personally I would not want to put myself in his position.

 

I don't see any laws of nature or this country being broken.

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