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    Default Swingers with STD-free guarantee papers?

    This question has probably been asked before, but I can't find it. Is there such a thing as getting a certificate or proof that you're STD free?

    Is it possible to ask potential swinging partners for one before we play?

    We understand that condom isn't very effective in preventing some STD and you can actually get infected by soft swapping (touching, oral, etc.) although the likelihood is rather low. Also, one of Mr s_couple fantasies is to see Mrs s_couple having a bareback sex with another guy and have him cum in her.

    So, if there is such a thing as a certificate or proof, we definitely want to know more about it.

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    You can be tested and receive a cert. stating you are free of STD's and it is good until the next time you have sex. Nothing more.

    In 30+ years no one has ever asked us for one and we don't carry one with us anyway so it would do you no good.

    I don't know anyone that carries their health cert. even if they did have one.

    There is no guarantees in life or this Lifestyle.

    Honestly, if you are that concerned you might want to really think about even being in this Lifestyle.

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    We don't imagine to ever asking for one in on-premise clubs, but we will take all reasonable precautions (condom, no anal, and no cum in mouth or on vagina). It'll be not as fun, but we believe it'll still be better than vanilla sex.

    During private encounters, though, it would be great if one is available so everyone participating can let loose completely and be natural.

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    If you want to go bare either take the risk, or mitigate it (mentally anyway) by playing with people you know and trust. There are plenty of threads here that discuss the "real" risk, but only you can decide what you are willing to accept in the name of a good time.
    You say "oral fixation" like it's a bad thing!

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    Most STD's do not present immediately (some taking up to 30 days before showing up on a test). So you need to treat the test as a snapshot of the person's health 30 days ago. If they've had sex with anyone since then, all bets are off.

    People who create 'fluid bonded' groups will usually institute a safer sex period when adding a new play partner to account for this before the gloves come off.

    D

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    There is not a reliable test for men for HPV (human papilloma virus/genital warts increase risk for cervical cancer). There is a blood test for herpes 1 and 2. It is expensive and not routinely done. It just shows that you have the virus in your body, not how likely you are to pass it on.

    HIV testing would require testing then wait 3 mos then test again to insure HIV is not present.

    I don't think there's anyway to guarantee someone is std free. Knowing your partners and using condoms is the best way to reduce your risk.

    Life is full of risks. For me the fun is worth the risk!

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    We did some thorough research on the common STDs today and we conclude that we don't have to worry about anything that's curable. That takes out 6 of them.

    As for the incurable ones, only HPV and HIV can cause serious health issue (Hepatitis B too, but we have received vaccination). The risk for genital HPV and HIV can be reduced significantly by condom use and keen observation before sex (make sure there's no wart or infection around the genital area).

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    HIV risk is reduced significantly by using condoms. HPV and herpes risks are not reduced as effectively with condoms which is why more people are infected by them. HPV is estimated to be present in most sexually active adults. That's most, meaning HPV infection is the rule, not the exception. If you swing you will be exposed to HPV, condoms or not.

    HSV-1 is present in close to 60% of adults; HSV-2 in 20% of adults. So most adults have one form or the other or both. Again, risks are not as effectively reduced by condom use. Most adults are infected by one of the two forms. Most adults don't know it.

    HIV risks are many orders of magnitude lower than either HPV or herpes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s_couple View Post
    We did some thorough research on the common STDs today and we conclude that we don't have to worry about anything that's curable. That takes out 6 of them.

    As for the incurable ones, only HPV and HIV can cause serious health issue (Hepatitis B too, but we have received vaccination). The risk for genital HPV and HIV can be reduced significantly by condom use and keen observation before sex (make sure there's no wart or infection around the genital area).
    Well, like anything you dive into, you'll want to look first!

    I've read a couple of your posts and it seems you are extremely concerned about STD's. Though it's not for me to say whether you are disproportionately so, I would say it is worrisome considering the activity you are contemplating. It's like driving a car but being so concerned about crashing that you a: can't possibly enjoy the experience and b: will make any crash you might have be blown out of proportion to the point you'll never drive again.

    The only way to guarantee an STD free life is to never have S. An STD test is not worth the paper it's printed on for several reasons.

    First, there is no accurate test for HPV. With that in mind, statistically speaking, you or your partner have had or currently have it. Bear in mind, there are many dozens of flavors of HPV discovered so far so it's reasonable to assume that with so many mutations we've been dealing with HPV for considerably longer then the media has. Think cave men. So far as science can tell, the only thing that has changed in the last 10 years with HPV is awareness that it exists, and the panic level incipient with the media's either misunderstanding or, more likely, total disregard to actual fact.

    The HSV blood test is suspect at best, and is only remotely accurate 6 months post exposure, and THEN at percentages that basically equate to betting on red. The only way to CONFIRM HSV infection is to culture a lesion, which means obviously you have to be symptomatic. Most healthy people who contract HSV are either completely asymptomatic or have symptoms so subtle so as to escape obvious detection. As such, they generally have NO IDEA they are infected.

    HIV tests are accurate, but again the only way to glean an accurate test is 6 months after exposure.

    Bacterial infections such as chlamydia are, by and large, obvious, but also transitory. Once you're cured, it's gone until you're exposed again.

    None of this is meant to scare you, but if you want to have any hope of actually ENJOYING yourself, you have to be knowledgeable of the ACTUAL risks and be okay with the odds. Otherwise, you're just gonna be, well, fucking scared.

    Mr. P

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    There is no such thing as an STD Free Guarantee. Even if a couple does have a health certificate that is no guarantee. It takes months for a person to test positive for HIV, so a clean health cert. is of little value. I think you have to decide what risk you are willing to take and then go have fun. If you worry about all of the risk, then you will never truly be able to have fun. In reality, the risk involved in swinging are very slim. I would be more worried about the risk with non swingers.

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    You swing, you open yourself up to STD's period.

    Its a risk you must assume before entering the lifestyle.

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    Hi, All;

    I think swingers that are concerned about contracting stds are, most likely, the safest ones with whom to swing! Certainly, safe swingers are at least as, if not a better "guarantee" than one's supposedly monogamous spouse<:O!

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    Quote Originally Posted by funcoupledayton View Post
    There is not a reliable test for men for HPV (human papilloma virus/genital warts increase risk for cervical cancer).
    Funcouple, I'm not sure how you meant to put this but the strains of HPV that cause the most cases of cervical cancer (6,9,11, and 13 I believe) are not the strains that cause genital warts (can't remember the strain numbers but I believe there are two of them). The guardicil and one other vaccine (I cant remember the name of) help prevent cervical cancer caused by those 4 strains. There are a few other strains that cause a very low amount of the cervical cancer cases each year. Getting those vaccines (approved for women and girls and recommended for boys and men) can also help mitigate the risks for cervical cancer and some of the oral and throat cancers in men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by six1sevenx2180 View Post
    Hi, All;

    I think swingers that are concerned about contracting stds are, most likely, the safest ones with whom to swing! Certainly, safe swingers are at least as, if not a better "guarantee" than one's supposedly monogamous spouse<:O!
    We agree with this post.

    We have decided to take the risk but we still take every precaution we can. We give oral only to select people and we always use protection when playing. In our opinion, that's just the wise thing to do. If anyone prefers to play without condom, then it's none of our business but we will not play with them/him/her.

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    Precaution IS essential! I wouldn't play with anyone, much less in=depth, without being "certain" that they don't have an std. While one never knows for sure, it starts getting into the same field as casual (non-sexual) transmission if one is just heavy petting, fondling and such.

    What about very recently touched--and still wet (ick!) bathroom door handles, sink knobs, splashes from urinals or toilets (ick, again!), especially splashes that touch your private areas such as the anus, something very possible if not likely while sitting on a toilet? I'm not a medical professional but, at some point, quite less amount of and, non-fluid sexual contact would seem less probable for contraction of an std than definite fluid contact, especially contact with one's anus, meatus or vaginal orifice--albeit minuscule--from public toilets.

    I understand that some things could be contracted by mere touch. Again, what if someone just touched themselves, such as in a restroom, and then shakes your hand? I don't know how long viruses and such survive on, say, a wet hand but, if one shakes it very soon after it has touched (masturbated, etc.) an infected vagina or penis (not the only points of contraction of stds--hepatitis, a form of which I understand is incurable, can at least be transmitted by feces such as from anal contact) is it not possible to contract something that can be contracted by mere touch? Yet, some might say "oh, that's not known to be a way of contracting stds".

    I think at some point, people's notions of morality start to be the real basis for their precautions about stds. It's not always sound medicine but, rather, "morality" on which some "medical" opinions might be based ! BUT, again, precaution is PARAMOUNT! If someone balks at your precaution, they might be "suspect" as regards stds!

    I've known (well, not carnally "known") ones who have stds. They have been honest with me so, we've not done anything sexual together other than talk. There are actually venues in which std carriers can date each other!

    I know that may seem like condescension or discrimination but, it's actually only a considerate attempt to match--in this case, std--compatible lovers. So, if someone seems "suspect" for having an std, maybe working with them supportively can bring that out and, lead to their fulfillment and your protection. ...Just a thought.

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    try privateMD for quickie tests... good site...
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