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  1. This is 100% my opinion based on what my wife and I have found. We have been with a few black guys in our time. Yes, we have found a couple to have HUGE packages! Rather they were great lovers or not, that is open for discussion. We have also been with some white guys who have had HUGE packages! Rather they were any better of a lover, again open for question. The biggest guy either of us has ever been with was a white guy. The smallest guy either of us can remember being with was a black guy. Sorry if that spoils the party a little. I think rather it is TV, movies or just plain rumors, America has become fascinated by black guys and what they are packing. It is like anything else in life, if you go looking for something you will find it. So, if you want a black guy with a huge package, I bet you will find one. For us, the wife and I, it does not matter. We have had good and bad in both. I have talked about this before on another post called “racial mix.” This statement is not meant as a racist remark. I am speaking from 100% my opinion and actual people we have dealt with. A few, not all, of the black guys we dealt with tend to get into an ego thing. My wife and I are white. Some have gotten a kick out of “giving it to them good” to a race there past relatives would not have been aloud to do! When something like that has happened it kills the mood. But then again, it is like anything else in life. You have to watch out for the players who have a motive.
  2. I think this is HOT I would give this a big YES as long as "Considering that all of your other rules were met (these were people you already know and are comfortable with, etc) would you be involved in a dark room orgy??
  3. Lighten up!! I could say the sky is blue and you would be ready to jump me!! I get the fact that you don’t like my post, me or anything else I may say. To be honest, I don’t care! My post was not a call to arms for all bi men to pickup and go to war against straight men. As I have said before 99% of my play is with women! This thread can and will go on without me. Surrender.
  4. Am I the only one who finds it ironic that we are talking about how “normal” or “abnormal” bi sexual men are on a swingers board?! All this talk about not wanting to give new people the wrong idea when they come to the board. We are arguing a subcategory of a socially unexpected topic on a board dedicated to swinging, which is a socially unaccepted topic in its self! Everyone needs to take a breath and enjoy life.
  5. I am lucky because I have lived in just about every section of U.S. So I know what you are talking about if you say “pop”, “coke” or “soda”. The one I use the most is soda. If I feel real crazy I may even ask for a soda pop! Hold me back now!
  6. You are a funny man I am putting down that "sword". Some things are just not worth it. It does not change who I am and it does not change who he is. We both walk away saying "I proved my point!"
  7. “Stop making assumptions about straight men and I will.” I read my original post over again and could not find any “assumption towards you or anyone else.” I want to do something that Spoomonkey is very found of. I want to repost my original post and break it down again the list of charges that Spoomonky has made. I want to find out what I am guilty of and not guilty of. On the charges I am guilty, I stand corrected. List of Spoonmonkey charges in his own words.... 1. "Bisexual" is not a label that straight guys made up. It was actually borrowed from psychology. It is not a "label" as much as it is a simple descriptor. (After review I don’t find at any time I said it was “a label made up by straight guys.” I am reviewing rather to give you the point on label vs descriptor. As you see, in this use, can be one in the same.) 2. Sexual Utopia - or open-minded-ness - is not defined by men being willing ot have sex with other men. That may be YOUR definition of Utopia, but it is not mine. I am not a low brow, an idiot or a homophobe. I am simply unapologetically straight. (This gets a very big NOT GUILTY! I can find no talk of my definition of Sexual Utopia. I also find at NO time did I define Sexual Utopia. I also NEVER called you a “low brow, idiot or homophobe. Yes, you are an unapologetically straight man.) 3. What I find highly insulting is the idea that it is somehow more enlightened to be bisexual. Frankly, I think it would be incredibly "unevolved" to be that which I am not - to be dishonest with myself. (Not guilty again of ever saying anyone is more “enlightened being bisexual.” I also, at no time, asked anyone to be something they are not! I never talked about “evolution” or being more “evolved” being bi. I at no time asked anyone to be “dishonest” with themselves.) 4. Why do bisexual men feel a need to debate this point over and over? What are THEY compensating for? Do they need all men to admit some sort of bi-ness to feel comfortable with who they are? Why are they so afraid of being unique? (Never did I ask anyone to “admit their bi-ness”. Never did I say I was afraid of being different or unique in anyway. Compared to the number of posts on a wide variety of subject’s “bi” posts are small in number. As to “why we feel a need to debate this point over and over?” At no time did I present this as a debate. It was more of this is what I am and this is how I look at it. It was more a question of labels, then a debate aimed at straight guys. We also may talk about it over and over again to reach out to those who believe as we do. This post, shocking to you I know, was more aimed at those who think like I do. Those who understand what I am going through. Not at Mr. “Straight” Man!) 5. You did not post this thread as a question about bisexuality - you asked pointedly why the straight guys respond to these threads. Did you not want us to tell you why we do? Perhaps you started your thread for all the wrong reasons... (Guilty on this point. I should have left my point about you and others making such a point of being “not bi” out. It did little to add to my post. The humor was lost I can see on you. So you get your first guilty out of me.) 6. As long as the insinuation is that straight men are somehow less enlightened, less tolerant, less honest or less self-actualized than Bi-men, then I feel I have a right and a responsibility to challenge that. (Not guilty! At no point was it ever insinuated or flat out said that straight men are “less enlighten, less tolerant, less honest or less self actualized than bi men. In fact, I feel you should be ashamed of even making up such a charge!) 7. So - you posted - I challenged. And I stand by my response, just as proudly as you stand by your first post. However, I would like to point out that my post does not question anyone's orientation as yours does (Not guilty! At no point and time did I ever “challenge” yours or anyone else's sexual orientation. In fact, you have challenged me and my sexual orientation with every charge you have made. With ever charge and generalization you have made about me and my lifestyle.) Original post by Rockme I have noticed a few things while reading MANY different posts on the subject of being “bi”. We seem to have a lot of people who are label happy. (Let me stop there. “Lot of people” Did I say “straight people” or “bi people”?) We have this desire to slap a label on people and situations. I have read questions like “I kissed another woman 10 years ago, does this make me bi?” or “during play with my woman another man’s penis hit my leg, does this mean I am now bi?” We want to attach a label to what happened out of fear. What is that fear we hold so deep down inside? Do we all have a fear of being “bi” and liking it?! Is it the fear that society has taught us that being “bi”, especially two males, is wrong? (This at no time singles out only males who are straight. In fact it uses a little humor to get the point across. These are all real subjects I have read while reading other threads. So, first paragraph, no attack on “Straight males”. No name calling. None of the charges show up.) I laugh when I read those males whom almost over compensate in their posts on this subject. The ones who say “I’m not gay or bi and I would never, never, never, never, never, never touch another guy! My wife has touched another woman, but again, I would never ever, not in a million years, not unless you paid me a million dollars, touch another man.” (this is where #5 guilty comes in.)These same guys keep showing up on all the “bi” question posts. They feel it important to set the record straight before giving us their two cents. Almost like they believe someone will log on and say “HEY, I did not know he was gay or bi!!!” I may show up on some thread about “water sport”, but that does not mean I am into it. By reading other posts this is how we learn about thing. (End of paragraph two and still waiting for the “straight men are somehow less enlightened, less tolerant, less honest or less self-actualized than Bi-men.” It all must be coming soon.) I don’t know about you but I can’t spend the rest of my life so worried about labels. When my wife and I play we go out to have fun. We connect with the other couple or person and have fun. We don’t sit around saying “tonight will be the “bi” night.” We go with the mood and what the other person or persons want. My wife is not “bi” at all. She makes this clear to those we play with. She does not want another woman making a move on her. But if another woman’s boob hits her arm during play she does not freak out and say “does this make me “bi” now?” When do we get to the world where we look at each other as humans and not male/female? When do we get to the point that you can touch the same sex and not have to label it? 99% of my sexual life has been with women only. I have had oral sex with a few men, period. If this makes me gay, bi or what ever other label you see fit, then so be it! I think I am someone who is open to the human touch. (End of original post and what happened? Where were the charges? This last paragraph talks about labels, my wife and I, and what I like. Maybe I get on the platform a little much with the “look at each other as humans and not male/female.” I know, in the literal sense, we need those basic labels. I understand what that means. Maybe I was speaking more for understanding and love, then literally doing away with all labels on earth. To use Spoomonkey’s famous talk about labels vs descriptors. Is male and female not a descriptor more than a label? Point is that at no time did this post attack anyone. The charges and attack led by Spoomonkey was not justified. Your way of life will go on my friend. My hope is we can put all of this behind us. Try not to be so sensitive about your life style and I will do the same. Maybe reread my post and understand where I am coming from. I have read a number of your posts on this and other subjects. The reason I knew you would have the biggest problem with this post was based on what I have read in you’re past posts on the subject. It was not written to attract you to the post or challenge you. But in the end I knew it would warrant a response from you. Enjoy your life my friend and lighten up!)
  8. You ask if we need another thread on being bi? The real question is do we need another long post from Spoomonkey claiming how “he is straight” to the world. I find it very interesting that about 98% of the “bi” threads I have read have a response from you! In fact when I wrote the thing I kept saying to myself how many hours before Spoomonkey jumps in on this one?! I knew you would!! I would think after saying the same thing over and over again to each “bi” thread you come across it would get old. Do you sit around waiting for another “bi” thread so you can announce to the world “I’m straight!” What are you so afraid of? You take a post that is 100% my opinion, which by the way I can feel anyway I want, and turn it into your form for word play. You can break down my post line by line all you want. You can stroke your ego and chaise people away. I stand by my original post. Not you nor anyone else will scare me away! You are not “bi”, GREAT! Stop hanging out on “bi” threads!! Or is this purely an ego trip for you? Are you into water sport, foot fetish, hair pulling and such? Why you ask? There have been threads done about those subjects as well. Why no wise words from Spoomonkey on those subjects? Why don’t I read “I ain’t no foot smeller” being posted by you? I would think you would want to make it clear on EVERY subject you don’t do or don’t agree with?! This board is open for a wide variety of opinions and discussion. It is not warranted or proper to attack another person. You don’t like what I am saying, then just don’t respond to the thread. It is counterproductive to everyone to have to sensor they’re thought out of fear of attack. Most swingers live with that fear from the general public. We look to this as one of those places we can call home. All I can say is may your life and your future posts come under as much scrutiny. Maybe then you will understand?
  9. Thank you for your thoughts on the subject. I give your “opinion” just as much weight as anyone else. I would never want you to do anything that you don’t want to do. I have never said nor do I believe that everyone is a little “bi.” Yes, you are on the money about labels in society and in your life. So I will live my life trying to shed labels and their importance to me. You can live your life adding as many labels to me and everyone else. Labels do hold an important part in life in some way. It is only when we get so crazy about labels that we miss out on a lot of thing. A lot of good people and things fall outside of standard labels. If we are all so quick to see in black and white, labels and non-labels, then we will reap what we have sown. This may be how you choose to live your life. Far be it for I or anyone else to try and change your opinion. But then again that is the point. No one in this post is trying to convert or change anyone to his or her way of thinking. Again, thank you for taking the time to write.
  10. I just wanted to say thank you to each of you. I enjoyed your opinions and share in most everything you are saying!! Maybe the label thing helps some to feel safe. They feel as if they must bash the “bi” thing because of fear. They feel that even talking with a “bi” somehow threatens their being a real man! Some will say “just not for me.” I think that is cool in every way. Some will say “I won’t play with a bi couple or couple that has a bi male.” They fear what could happen. Is that fear a fear of what I may do as a bi male to you or a fear of what may come out in you? I will tell you this. My wife and I have played with plenty of couples who are not “bi” or even “bi courisiouse.” I have had a LOT OF FUN with others without even given a second thought to the male. If you let that label hold you back out of fear, then you WILL miss a lot of great people. I am not some sick guy who can’t hold back my urges. Also, I don’t mean to hurt some people and their feelings, but some guys just don’t do it for me! Just like some women don’t do it for me. Don’t think that you are so hot that one look at you will make me want to have sex with you! If you put your rules in place with the other couple, there should be no problem. If there ever was, then end it then and there. I have yet to be in a swing setting with a non-bi couple and think I can’t stand it anymore I have to have his cock! Maybe we ALL need to get over our selves a little bit.
  11. Well said my friend! Welcome to the board. You raise a lot of good points in your post. I think a lot of guys see through porn movies and girls gone wild that female on female = HOT! It has been programmed into us that this should be the way it is. Even the women get a little of this programming as well. I remember my wife and I talking about me being “bi”. My wife almost felt guilty because she did not feel the same way. She said something like “two women together is what everyone wants to see. But two guys will make you gay in most people’s mind.” But I will say this, sorry guys, but women tend to be a little more open to two guys being together. I have read a lot more post with women saying “I wish my husband or boyfriend would do something like that! I think it is hot, but he would never in a million years because he tells me he ain’t gay.” :rollseyes Again, welcome. Hope to hear from you again somewhere out there on the message board.
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