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JandY

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About JandY

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  • Birthday 01/01/1960

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  • Relationship Status
    couple
  • Location
    UK
  • Swinging Experience
    2 Years
  1. If you're 7.5" you got nothing to worry about. (The following is NOT for boasting purposes, but just to make a point) I hover between 8 and 8.5 on a good day (when the tide is high and the blood is REALLY pumping). The male half of our swing-partners is, at best, 6" and having both seen it and played with it, I can vouch that 6" is more than enough (and you're 7.5"). Think about it. Go get a 6" nail from the shed and look at the size of that thing. If the whole body was in proportion, my pal would be about 5'10" but you'd be 7'6" tall. Both girls agree that the sight differential is quite great, but the actual action part is irrelevant. Who the heck would even WANT 10"? On the subject of percentages, apparently I'm one in three hundred and you're one of only three per hundred - so you're blessed (see below). Average Penis Size I only rate "B""on the following and the other guy fucking your wife is a "C" at best. The Authentic Women's Penis Size Preference Chart [PIC] You might be an "A". Deffinately no penile dwarf, old chap.
  2. I'm taking all the comments and opinions on-board and both of us guys know it's sort of wrong, but I also sort of view it in a similar light to how I might view jerking off without including or even telling my wife. I bet she does, too. Probably most of us do. It's not really adultery in the traditional sense. There's no emotions involved. It's less of a betrayal, from my perspective, than if I were to pay a hooker for sex. Just to throw something else in the pot, would people's opinions be any different if I and my buddy were female and playing together without our men? Would be interested to learn if that would shape opinions any differently.
  3. Simply stating what the girls have said re their opinions on MM play, but you also gotta take into account that we guys do believe that we know our ladies and have discussed the situation between us. When you've been with someone for a long time (8 years, in my case), the simple furrowing or raising of an eyebrow, when any given subject is raised, can speak volumes and reveal innermost thoughts - so I think the female thought rationalising is probably quite on the mark.
  4. Problem with our foursome is that bothe ladies have made it clear, from the outset, that they find the idea of their men engaging in homosexual activities as "icky" at least and would mean loss of respect and maybe even make us less attractive to them as "men". They see FF sex as almost natural (and who can blame them - LOL) and as an added spice for both themselves and for us guys to observe, but they see MM sex as, somehow, unnatural and even maybe threatening to their relationships. My lady has told me point-blank thet she has known so many men who used to be hetero but after coming "out of the closet" never got back in it again and remained solely or predominantly gay. I have to say, that I've known quite a few, also. There are even quite a number of famous guys that went through this transformation &/or supressed their gay feelings for years. Quite often, when guys go with guys, they end up forsaking girls. But rarely does it seem to happen, the other way around. Girls are either gay or bi almost (not always, but almost) from the off. Girls often enjoy bi sex but maintain their basic heterosexuality. A lot of guys don't. I believe that I and my buddy are both rampant heteros who just happen to enjoy sucking each other's cocks and balls. But neither of us is looking for another guy, whereas we'd happily take on any number of other ladies, so I guess our own female partners are worried we might "turn" away from them forever as well as being put off us guys playing for the earlier reasons described.
  5. Anyone who has read our previous posts will know that I and my wife are one half of a MFFM relationship that meets up socially (and more) on occasion. We (guys) have been suffering something of a dilemma in that whilst the girls are very open-minded and adventurous - participating in pretty much every activity imaginable - double penetrations (pussy/oral. anal/oral, anal/pussy and double-pussy) double BJ's, oral administration to coital action and lesbianism etc., they have both stated that any MM bisexual play is not acceptable. Us guys being basically pretty hetero had no problem with this, except that in talking we both admitted that we wouldn't be adverse to trying out oral sex with each other under the right circumstances. I think that for both of us, once we'd both owned up to the idea, it has played on our minds and I know that I have found the sight of his cock in action as much a turn-on as the bodies of our ladies, on occasion. We're pretty open with each other and he's told me he has found himself feeling the same. Neither of us are attracted to guys, just each other's cocks. To all intents and purposes, apart from this fixation, we're both very much hetero. To cut a long story short, we met up recently. I was doing some work on the car in my garage and he came to help. His lady came also and the girls decided to go on a lunch/shopping trip in town. After we'd finished the work on the car, I went for a shower and as I left the bathroom he called upstairs and asked of it would be OK for him to take a shower also. Of course, I said yes and told him to grab a towel from the airing cupboard next to the bathroom and that it was OK for him to dress in the bedroom afterwards. Our bedroom is next to the bathroom and while I dried myself, I could hear him showering. I had had plenty of time to dress while he was in the bathroom, but I sort of knew something might happen, so when he left the shower and came into the bedroom to dress, I still had nothing on but the towel around my waist. He also had his towel around his lower loins but his shoulders, chest and torso were still covered with water droplets and when he asked if I had another towel to dry them, I simply unhooked my own towel and held it out for him - revealing, in the process my skyward pointing sex. As he reached for it, he grasped my forearm, dropped his own towel to reveal his erection and maneuvered my hand so that I could grasp his stiff member as he pulled me towards him. We actually kissed (which was the last thing I'd have ever imagined - but it was SO horny to kiss a guy). He pushed me back onto the bed and cupped my balls in his hand prior to snaking his tongue from my mouth, down my neck, along my chest and across my stomach until he engulfed me in his hot mouth. I couldn't wait any longer and needed to do the same, so we were soon locked in an unbelievable MM 69. I was amazed at the sensation of his penis head in my mouth. The texture really is like rubber. If it weren't for the jerking and the taste/odour it might easily be a sex-toy, by feel alone. His smell was amazing (and being ordinarily heterosexual, I found a little off-putting at first), his genitals smelled like a man. I'd only ever been used to genitals smelling female, before. I know that it's been proven that the average amount of sperm ejaculated is only about a teaspoonful, but when he came in my mouth, it seemed much more. There seemed to be wave after wave of it and I almost gagged - not at the taste (which was actually quite good) but at the fear of drowning. He told me not to cum in his mouth as he hates sperm and wishes it didn't even exist. This was OK with me, cuz "each to his own" is my motto. When it was my turn to cum, I asked if it was OK to empty myself over his cock and balls and he found that a turn on and I found licking it all off afterwards an equal turn-on (I hate waste). Trouble is now, we can't tell the girls and we don't like secrets but we both know it will happen again. We intend keeping this aspect of our swinging a secret. We have no emotional feelings towards each other, other than friendship and being fuckbuddies. The same as we feel when having sex with each other's wives, in fact. We love our own wives. The rest is purely sex and the pleasure of seeing our wives happily being fucked to heaven and back. Is that bad?
  6. It's a pity that as a couple we could only vote once in the poll. As it happens, we both agree that MFM is our preference, but many (we would hope) of the individual board members are one half of a couple sharing the same login. What if our tastes were different?
  7. We never use condoms except for when there is any anal activity and then ALWAYS. But that's because we only play with one other couple, so far (who have only ever played with us). There are far, far, far, far too many nasty little bugs out there to do other than bag it up if you're in unproven territories. Age probably has something to do with it. Twenty years ago we'd have been far more trusting and condom-free.
  8. I know that, as swingers, we choose whether or not to act upon our desires to share ourselves and our most loved significant other, but do we actually choose to want to? It's generally (not always) agreed that being homosexual is not a choice. Being an active homosexual is a choice. Being heterosexual is not a choice, but being sexually active is. My lady says she doesn't choose to be a vegetarian, but that she physically finds it impossible to eat dead flesh, so she chooses to be an active vegetarian. Even paedophiles are treated with medication to curb their choosing to act upon their urges and it's recognised to be an "illness/state of mind" - i.e. they do not choose to be paedophiles, but they do choose whether or not to be active. If I never engaged in another swinging experience for the rest of my life, I think I always was and always will be a swinger by nature and that I have no choice in that. I only have choice whether or not to follow my nature. Or is swinging different to fundamental sexuality (homosexual, heterosexual, asexual, bi-sexual, bestial, paedohile etc., etc.)? Do we become swingers (or polyamorus) through curiosity and then sampling and ultimate consumption/engagement pleasure (leading even to addiction) - as with alcohol or drugs? There are probably many takes and opinions on this subject and where better to seek them than here, on this board?
  9. 6 point male glory hole for her and a 6 point female glory hole for me (Then maybe swap places )
  10. The usual. Kids, working hours etc. Plus distance between us and our partners (we only swing with one other couple who live a good 3 hours or so away). We would like to try and experiment with more people but we live in a VERY small community where everyone knows everyone. The male member of our partners would also like to broaden our partnership numbers - even if only experimentally, we used to suggest clubbing, party attendance or a lifestyle holiday for the four of us so that we didn't feel pressured to join in with others, but so that the option would at least be there, but his lady won't hear of it. She has found what she wants, from her perspective - which is him full-time and us on ocassion (in point of fact, she has suggested we consider all moving in together, more than once, as a pair of poly couples). She can get quite posessive and even gets annoyed when any of us even mentions an old ex-boy/girlfriend, in passing! She is attractive and sexually adventurous and knows how to both have and give a fantastic time as well as being a lot of fun on a social level, but she can also bring the whole party down if we discuss anything in relationship to the lifestyle that is not exclusively centred on we four's place within it. There is every chance that she would blow a fuse if our half of the foursome ever played with others and she found out. We all love her to bits, but get frustrated that she's sort of placed herself "in charge" of not just her husband, but also seems to feel that her feelings and wishes must be part and parcel of any decisions that my lady and I might wish to make regarding our own lifestyle choices. A bit like she has two boyfriends and one girlfriend. People are strange, sometimes.
  11. You sure you've not been transferring your fantasy to your wife? Not being rude, but there are feelings, emotions, loyalties and a whole gamut of stuff for EACH of you to jointly and separately consider when thinking along these lines. It would be hard enough if your hoped for/intended initiation-partners were committed (but you say they are vanilla, too). So now you gotta allow for all of their fears, guilt and confusions too. Be careful what you wish for because it might just come true. And once it's done, it can't be undone.
  12. Swingers – Happy, Safe, Healthy, Well Adjusted, Mainstream Americans
  13. Can't speak for everyone, but we couldn't disagree more with that. Both girls, in our "Ménage à Quatro" have honestly stated that in a Ménage à Trois scenario they prefer to each have both of us guys to themself over being with one guy and the other girl. Both of us males agree that we also prefer the two guys to one girl situation. It's incredibly hot, to us, to double-up on each of the girls and it may sound twee, but there's a lot of pleasure to be gleaned from giving. Plus, we lads already know what a pair of perverts we are (as are most of the men we've ever known) so it's sort of novel and exciting to discover just how perverted the girls can be, too. You may be right but, as above, the more we give the more we get and it's usually in our own interest to look out for number one by taking care of and helping others achieve their own satisfaction. A heck of a lot more gangbang based porno films feature a bunch of "perverted" black guys than white (with "perverted" girls of all race and creed). But if proportional representative measuring techniques were used, we'd probably find that the scales of perversion - according to race or skin-tone - would be roughly equally balanced.
  14. That is so hysterically funny (yet sad, same time). Just trying to think what it would be like if so much store was put on "rules" in the vanilla world. Imagine being in a simple making-out situation at the age of 17. You kiss her on the lips and have to wait for her to say "that's OK". You kiss her neck "OK". You kiss her ear "OK". You insert your tongue into her ear "THAT'S A RULE!!! You can skirt the lobe and the edge but NO PENETRATION". She cups your balls through your trousers. "That is SOOOoooooo OK".
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