swingers with security clearance and getting through background checks

Does anyone know of swingers who hold jobs requiring a US govt security clearance? How was the swinging issue handled in the clearance process? Also, has anyone had a clearance denied because of swinging? We are looking at a potential job that requires a polygraph with "lifestyle" questions (their term, not mine). Thanks!

[WesternSwing]

We know several swingers in the military, a couple of them that are officers and hold high security clearances, and they have never had a problem. If they came out publically they might. This is why they don't show pics in their profiles in anywhere but the "private" section.

I'm sure the "lifestyle" questions they are going to ask will not include those regarding your sex life. To my knowledge they can not ask questions about sex, sexual orientation, race, religion, etc. So I wouldn't worry about it too much.

A question for you though: is the job so wonderful that you are willing to give-up that much personal freedom to have it?

Mr. WS

[ShellyM]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Does anyone know of swingers who hold jobs requiring a US govt security clearance? How was the swinging issue handled in the clearance process? Also, has anyone had a clearance denied because of swinging? We are looking at a potential job that requires a polygraph with "lifestyle" questions (their term, not mine). Thanks!

I haven't been in the Army for some time, but I know that when I was in the Army did not look favorable towards adultery, and this included consentual. We had clearances as well, and I can tell you that you should not lie, because if they catch you in a lie you will be stripped of your clearance.

[warkman]

My understanding is that Robert McGinley's (I believe the first president of the Lifestyles Organization) life was made a living hell by the government. I think he held a high security clearance job with the Air Force and they intercepted emails and gathered other information and drove him out. He then went on to devote much of his life being spokesperson for/and promoting the lifestyle. I would exercise extreme caution if you have such a job.

Edit: Here's a mini bio for him at the NASCA site.

[MoonLightKiss]

Yes the government has laws stating that you can not be discriminated against due to sexual orientation race etc. BUT the government follow their own rules...surely you jest WS lol.

Honestly, if you were to get this job, my advice would be to be very VERY discreet. But if they find out, maybe they will maybe they won't keep you on. But I would say, lying, on a polygraph, would be a sure fire way to end up with no clearance. I wish I could be of more help, but this sounds like one of those situations where you may need to weigh the good against the bad.

[Mr. Truelove]

Originally Posted by WesternSwing

I'm sure the "lifestyle" questions they are going to ask will not include those regarding your sex life. To my knowledge they can not ask questions about sex, sexual orientation, race, religion, etc.

Mr. WS

Hahahaha. =(

I've taken a single polygraph. And they asked both Sexual Orientation and Previous sex experiences.

[2jersey]

The U.S. armed forces has an explicit policy of not asking about sexual orientation ("Don't ask, Don't tell"). Homosexuals or bisexuals who tell, cannot serve. (I realize that many swingers, especially males, are straight.)

This probably doesn't apply to you - it sounds like your job is non-military.

[Charger500]

Just don't talk about it and do NOT use your .mil or .gov e-mail for anything even related to the lifestyle. also do not play close to home

Have fun!

[JP51]

Ok, time to weight in.... I have had to take POLY's[B]....and they DO ASK specific detail information...if you lie, your gone! If you tell the truth, it goes to a pannel to "judge" you fit or not to hold a clearance... the don't ask don't tell policy does not apply to "special access programs" with can be identified by the nature of the clearance, and all POLY requirements are "special access". Will one thing in your background or lifestyle disqualify you? no...not normally, unless it is drugs etc... I am a senior offical, well until I retire real soon... my advice don't lie, don't lie, and don't worry, if you do not do drugs, you do not hide information, your ok... now don't go around telling them anything unless they directly ask... if the question is do "you have anything in your background that could result in you being blackmailed", then by god answer NO...unless you really beleive that you would turn over high secrets in order to keep your life style secret... if that is so, the frankly you need another job...

PM me if you need to talk about this more.

[two4youinswva]

Originally Posted by JP51

Ok, time to weight in.... I have had to take POLY's[B]....and they DO ASK specific detail information...if you lie, your gone! If you tell the truth, it goes to a pannel to "judge" you fit or not to hold a clearance... the don't ask don't tell policy does not apply to "special access programs" with can be identified by the nature of the clearance, and all POLY requirements are "special access". Will one thing in your background or lifestyle disqualify you? no...not normally, unless it is drugs etc... I am a senior offical, well until I retire real soon... my advice don't lie, don't lie, and don't worry, if you do not do drugs, you do not hide information, your ok... now don't go around telling them anything unless they directly ask... if the question is do "you have anything in your background that could result in you being blackmailed", then by god answer NO..

Great advice, and dead-on correct.

I Held a clearance, and the interview can be intimidating, even if you are "clean"

During my first background check, I indicated that I consumed on average, less than a 6pack of beer in a week. No problem, as that was within the boundries.

Between that time, and time for my clearance update (5 years later maybe?) I had decided to stop drinking all together, mainly to lose some weight. When I was asked "How much do you drink", and I replied, "I don't", all kinds of bells and whistles went off with my interviewer. "Why? Did you have a drinking problem? Have you been treated for a drinking problem?" etc etc etc. Hell, I started wondering what my problem was!
--This wasn't the polygraph, just the personal interview segment.

They also asked me if I was gay, ever participated in homosexual acts, deviant sexual behavior, etc etc.
---That was a long time ago, and I was pretty damn vanilla back then.

Telling the truth is the best way to go. If for no other reason than the fact that you are going to get an update every few years. You will be asked the same questions, and they are going to know what you answered five years before. Will you remember what your answers were?

Here's what they want to find out: Is there something about you or your life that, if the wrong person knew about, could blackmail you for secrets? ie: "We're going to tell your mother about your lifestyle if you don't give us XYZ"

unless you really beleive that you would turn over high secrets in order to keep your life style secret... if that is so, the frankly you need another job...

Absolutely! No one likes a traitor. And when they get caught, they get to spend the next 40 years making big rocks into small rocks.

Good luck to you!

Mr two4you

[lost_j1]

I have held a very high clearence with the US Government. It is far past my time so they cannot use this agaist me, but I held a TS/SBI/SCI with nucerty. In short a little tittle for $250,000.00 clearence. Although they may not ask, but I think they will do not lie. Caught in a lie and they will revoke your clearence quicker then shit!!! I will promise you that, no downgrade of clearence they will plain strip you of it pending on any criminal actions that they might bring up for not telling the truth. When people talk about being descreet this what they are talking about..... If you lie and get caught then they are going to want to know who you have been sleeping with and who they have been sleeping with. The list will go on and on. When I got out of high school and applied for my clearence FBI probed my whole neighborhood asking questions about me. Former employers and what not. Just be honest and open and tell the truth to all questions. Let them decide if you are right for the job.

[MrConcupiscence]

What two4youinswva is talking about is the interview.

What JP51 is talking about is the polygraph which is your concern. Do what JP-51 said.

Don’t volunteer any information and if asked don’t lie - EVER. Your integrity and honesty is more important than all else. Next, I would seriously recommend having amnesia about your work or potential work as soon as you walk out the door and don’t bring it up here - OPSEC.

As long as you are discrete and never put yourself into a position that requires you to lie then there is no reason you shouldn’t be out having fun with your spouse.

Now back to sharing soft tantalizing bouqueted delectable brunettes with my wife – less she turns up a boy toy – well then…

Mr. Concupiscent

[sbjr3]

Thank you to the original poster for starting this thread and to all who responded, I needed this advice as well. Since I haven't had an encounter yet, I think I will wait until after I have my poly, which should be soon.

sb

[ShellyM]

Originally Posted by lost_j1

I have held a very high clearence with the US Government. It is far past my time so they cannot use this agaist me, but I held a TS/SBI/SCI with nucerty. In short a little tittle for $250,000.00 clearence. Although they may not ask, but I think they will do not lie. Caught in a lie and they will revoke your clearence quicker then shit!!! I will promise you that, no downgrade of clearence they will plain strip you of it pending on any criminal actions that they might bring up for not telling the truth. When people talk about being descreet this what they are talking about..... If you lie and get caught then they are going to want to know who you have been sleeping with and who they have been sleeping with. The list will go on and on. When I got out of high school and applied for my clearence FBI probed my whole neighborhood asking questions about me. Former employers and what not. Just be honest and open and tell the truth to all questions. Let them decide if you are right for the job.

Ditto on this.

[Mike and Jan]

I'm a former USAF Combat Controller. There were two couples who were swingers when I was in the military years ago and they, along with a few of their recruits, were discharged when it was discovered that they were swingers.

It's just like being 'gay' in the military. Our right wing government feels that anything that might be used as 'blackmail' if known can be a threat to security.

Now if our stupid, narrowminded, right wing government would use common sense they'd know that the only reason it can be used as blackmail is because of the fear of being caught. So, make it the soldier's personal choice and there's no fear. Duh!