What is off limits to you?

[watcherone]

Liza,
Why dont you invite your bi-friend and your husbands bi-friend to get together with you two. In the least you might get them together and enjoy watchig them. If your husband were interested he would surely find out watching them. You might find some interests also, who knows.Seems to me that you could enjoy your fantasy while you and your husband were free to enjoy each other at a time that you may be at your sexually highest peek.
I do admire your honesty you dont seem to hide your feelings inside. If you and your husband are this open with each other, you cant go wrong.

Now that'll be interesting...*VBG*

Let us know how it goes, LIZA...Good luck! ;-)


Wife of CyberMWCouple

BTW...Where are the other halves of the couples that are posting on the message board here? Input from both in a couple make it much more interesting too! HHhhhmmm....*VBS*

[watcherone]

My wife has a thing about chat rooms and posting online. She hears about someone online being misled about another person and how they were done all these bad things. I am a little more able to keep watch on what is done online and all the ways to protect yourself from junk sites and porn sites. This board doesnt really scare me as I feel pretty at ease letting my feelings and thoughts being read by you all who have pretty much the same ideas of this lifestyle. I am trying to let her see that this is a great place to get answers as well as finding friends for play and other things. I trust you all to respect my safety as much as I respect yours. It would be greaat if the snobs and snoops werent trying to put down things they dont understand and belittling others's rights to be who and what they are. I will be getting her here eventually as she begins to see that nothing terrible has come from my participation here. I miss her imput as well and I think it is very healthy to have friends online to talk and discuss problems and issues of our lifestyle.

watcherone...That's cool! And I can relate to where your wife is coming from. Hubby & I met ONline in '97! *VBS* But that's another story & topic...*lol*

We're looking forward to hearing from your wife, and other spouses, and their inputs to the lifestyle! *VBS*


Wife of CyberMWCouple

[JustAskJulie]

Originally posted by LIZA:

As for male bi not being accepted, I have NEVER seen it take place at a swing club. I have seen some swing clubs where the website SAYS no Male bi activity allowed! But in the clubs we have gone to, it is not a stated rule but believe me, it would be very unacceptable. Im sure there are some couples outh there with a Bi male but they probably would just tell you about it on a one to one basis.

Liza is correct. Most clubs do AT LEAST frown on male bi activity. I think it's a homophobic thing. And the fact that the % of openly bi couples is very small. I say openly because I think there are a lot of couples out there where both are bi but when it comes to clubs he can't really admit that without worrying about what the other guys will think. Goes back to that "can't get/keep it up" problem.

There are a FEW clubs that do allow and even promote male (as well as female) bi activity and actually promote themselves as being for bi-couples... but not very many.

It does suck that there is such a double standard on that. It's practically expected that females in the lifestyle will be bi, but if a guy is he's frowned upon.

How Sad!

Julie http://www.swingersboard.com

[JustAskJulie]

Originally posted by LIZA:

I hate Lube, ALWAYS give me yeast infection. But during intercourse it can take him an hour or more to orgasm....changing positions every 10 minutes... and that is just too much...if I had to try and satisfy 2 or 3 or 4 guys......God, sounds like a nightmare!!

Ouch, I feel for you. I did the GB thing once.. it was always a fantasy of mine.. and we've fulfilled it. I doubt I'll do it again. I have found that anytime I have an extreme amount of sex I get a yeast infection or vaginitis.. it sucks but hey it was worth it..lol.

Back to you... have you tried doing things to make him come faster? Maybe try sucking him for a while first, get him close to orgasming before you even start with intercourse.

Have you been checked for allergies to things like Vitamin E? It could be with the lube that you are allergic to something in it which is causing the yeast infections.. possibly a different lube (one that is completely natural would affect you differently).

Another thing I've heard, is that douching with just water after sex can help clear a lot of that out and prevent yeast infections.. might be worth a try.

Julie http://www.swingersboard.com

[poisonivy_44057]

Wow, this may sound strange, but i am so glad to read that other ladies get yeast infections from sex. I was afraid i was a freak or something, condoms do it to me too sometimes, and if we have sex daily, you better believe i will get one
As for the men on men thing, that is a MAJOR turn on for me, but my hubby is straight, so i am SOL there
I have had one MFM 3sum, and it was exciting, but the men didnt touch each other, and both were to scared to do anal so i didnt even get to DP
I have considered a gang bang, but i feel i am more attracted to woman, so i would love to try a huge orgy, lots of woman, and a few men, i want to just be open and kinky and free to do whatever,,,,oh what a fantasy...lol

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Couple in NE Ohio ISO other couples and bi females, we love to have fun

[This message has been edited by poisonivy_44057 (edited 11-06-2000).]

[LIZA]

Ivy

I am glad SOMEONE agrees with me! Male on male to me is every bit as hot as female on female, but most here and elsewhere act like it's taboo.......I think as swingers get younger and more open minded you MIGHT see it become more accepted........MAYBE. Most couple I know where both are bi they are younger, in the 20's and 30's. Although I am sure there are plenty of older bi guys too. I just hope one day we will be able to find a swing club where there was not the double standard........Female bi is not only accepted but expected and male bi will probably get you kicked out! It's Homo-phobia, no other word for it. Too bad you live so far away and that your husband won't let me another guy be present!!

Originally posted by LIZA:
Ivy

I am glad SOMEONE agrees with me! Male on male to me is every bit as hot as female on female, but most here and elsewhere act like it's taboo.......

I'd watch what I say, if I were you LIZA. There you go, judging others again....And again and again! I think that's pretty rude of you, or maybe you don't "mean" to be...

Speaking for one of the "most here"....I did NOT say that it's "taboo". I don't like to "judge" (unlike you) anyone's sexual preference(s) in any way. Just because some of us don't "agree" with "you", does this mean that we're "wrong"?! I think not. And get over it, if some of us DO disagree every now & then, that's life, we can't always have everything our way...*VBG*

Personally, I'm glad that hubby is straight, and it's HIS choice, and yes, this sexual act does turn me off, unlike some, it doesn't, and that's okay too. Whatever works for some, may not work for others, and that's OKAY too! Searching is half the fun! *VBG*


Wife of CyberMWCouple

[JustAskJulie]

I don't think that anyone here has said that male on male is taboo or wrong. I agree with Cyber.. just because it's not something that someone is interested in trying doesn't mean that they are wrong or that they think there is something wrong with that activity.. it's just not something they are interested in.

I do agree that there is a double standard at the clubs when it comes to male-on-male, and that that is wrong. I don't think it's right that it is almost expected for a woman in a swinging couple to be bi, while it is expected that the guys be straight. However, there are lots of bi couples out there.

I've talked with hubby about this issue.. as it is something that I would be interested in seeing (two guys together), however I'm not sure it's something I would be interested in seeing my hubby do.. not sure how I would respond there.. but that's life (you never know how you will respond in any situation until you are placed in that situation).

Julie http://www.swingersboard.com

[LIZA]

Yes, Cyber MWC, Double standards are ALWAYS wrong. So is Homophobia, Racism, sexual discrimination and a variety of other IGNORANT behaviours. You honestly disagree with me?

Liza,
Yes, I disagree.
And so do you.

Husband of CyberMWCouple

Originally posted by JustAskJulie:
....however I'm not sure it's something I would be interested in seeing my hubby do.. not sure how I would respond there.. but that's life (you never know how you will respond in any situation until you are placed in that situation).

EXACTLY! Personally, I can't see hubby with another male, and I too wouldn't know HOW I would react to this, I just feel to UNcomfortable about this. BUT, I don't see it as "taboo or wrong" for other men to do so either, that's THEIR choice, and we respect their choices too...*VBG* Just because other's chose to do this, doesn't mean WE have to too. :-)


Wife of CyberMWCouple

[LIZA]

I can't discuss anything with someone who feels racism, homophobia and sexual discrimination are not WRONG (The opposite of wrong being right) To me, it is like talking to someone from another planet

[JustAskJulie]

I'm not sure where all this hostility came from but here goes....

There is a very big difference between discrimination (which I believe many of the clubs do in regards to bisexual men) and being a discriminating person. We all make choices on who we swing with based on what turns us on. That goes into every level whether it's simply looks, or what they are into in regards to swinging.

If a couple where the male is straight and has no desire to try bisexuality chooses not to swing with a couple where the guy is bi that is their choice they are not being discriminatory (in the legal since of the word). Once again we are dealing with two different definations for the same word (but in this case both are right).

Just as a white couple choosing not to swing with a black couple is not discrimination (it is their choice... and does in no way mean that they have anything against black people, they just don't have a desire to swing with them. It is the same when it comes to bisexuality.

Each person makes their choices in what they choose to do in this lifestyle. Liza you choose not to do full swap with others, I choose not to have anal sex with people other than my husband, my husband chooses not to have sex with another guy. We each make these choices not based on homophobio, racism or any other discriminatory (legal word) practice. We make them based on what turns us on and what our fantasies are.

This message board was created for one purpose: for everyone to share their ideas and thoughts on swinging and for everyone to help each other with problems they might be having in the lifestyle or questions they might have. NOT for us to judge others based on what they choose to or not to do. By not having respect for each others opinions and slamming people for expressing them you not only show your ignorance but you scare away many people who would participate in the board for fear that what they say will only get treated with the same disrespect.

As I've said many times here. We each choose what we want to do in the lifestyle, whether it's softswing or gangbangs, that is what we choose. There is nothing wrong with that choice. The only thing that is wrong is judging someone else for the choice that they make, or assuming that you know how they feel or the reasons that they are doing what they are doing when you aren't in their shoes.

Julie http://www.swingersboard.com