Girl/Girl or Full Swap?

[Ditto]

Okay, another member brought this up in another thread....

I hate to say this folks but I guess I am rather confused here. I always thought that the defination of "Full Swap" mean't that each couple swapped partners, U know... husband/wife and wife/husband.

Now I have been told yet another meaning of this.... Girl/Girl or Bi Activitie, can be considered a "Full Swap" too....

So.... what is your defination of 2 girls getting it on while their husbands watch?

Thanks
Ann

[naughty A]

Originally posted by Ditto

Now I have been told yet another meaning of this.... Girl/Girl or Bi Activitie, can be considered a "Full Swap" too....

So.... what is your defination of 2 girls getting it on while their husbands watch?

I never heard that before... and I don't think of it as full swap either... but more... of a soft swing activity... JMO.

and often one that people who don't feel ready for full swap DO want to try...

I just think of it as Girl/Girl play with spouses present... I think it is kinda fun too... give you the opportunity to play without leaving your partner completely out of it.

[OhioCouple]

My opinion is that if you have sex with anyone outside of your significant other, in the presence of them, you have done an exchange of partners. After all, you haven't adhered to being SOLEY with your own partner. Therefore you have swapped. The differences being two men have traded two women to be engaged in sexual contact with someone other than themselves.

But let's turn the tables here a tad. What if the guys engaged in one on one sexual contact, while the women watched? What would you consider that as? Would it still be soft swap to you?

[Ditto]

Hi OhioCouple,

My opinion is that if you have sex with anyone outside of your significant other, in the presence of them, you have done an exchange of partners. After all, you haven't adhered to being SOLEY with your own partner. Therefore you have swapped. The differences being two men have traded two women to be engaged in sexual contact with someone other than themselves.

Okay, I see your point then, but....if girl/girl activity is considered "swapping" as you call it, what definition would you call this activity? Soft swing or a full swap? I was under the impression that full swap/swing mean't that you would have sex/intercourse with the spouse of the opposite sex!

But let's turn the tables here a tad. What if the guys engaged in one on one sexual contact, while the women watched? What would you consider that as? Would it still be soft swap to you?

I see... Soft Swap....


WHOA...... there are several different terms going on here....

Soft Swing -----
Do these 2 mean the same then?
Soft Swap ------

Full Swing ------
And do these 2 mean the same thing?
Full Swap ------


Thanks,
Ann - Who is starting to see the light!!

[OhioCouple]

Originally posted by Ditto
Okay, I see your point then, but....if girl/girl activity is considered "swapping" as you call it, what definition would you call this activity? Soft swing or a full swap? I was under the impression that full swap/swing mean't that you would have sex/intercourse with the spouse of the opposite sex!

Actually, Ann, there are as many different meanings for soft swap, full swap, voyerism, bi-sexual... you name it. It is basically defined by what the mutual parties agree upon. (From what I've grown to know)

It is most definitely very confusing. That said...

The most basic thing that I see from your situation (based on this thread and the other) is that ya'll surpassed your original boundries and therefore it made seem like it was perhaps okay to test for more. I feel it is a lack of communication between the four of you, more so than someone breaking the rules.

Quick story. (yeah right )

We recently returned to swinging after a break from a bad experience (nothing like what you are experiencing, a real bad one to be honest) and we returned with some hard set rules and boundries. We met with a couple that we felt comfortable with and dangit if we didn't break darn near every rule that we had pre-set. I had some problems with that, however, what we did was talk with the other couple about it...as they had broken some of their's too.

By communicating with them directly after the fact, we all felt better about it. So we sorta revised our rules (with them) and then the next time we met, we went out of the pre-set boundries...AGAIN. Which really freaked me. But again, we all talked about it, directly after the fact.

I still consider us very new, even though we have been involved for the last two years in swinging, but I think we have found that communication between all parties is essential.

We will be meeting with this same couple in the near future, and given the history, we may unintentionally break more rules...but then given the history, as long as we all talk about it, we will be just fine.

This is why I think Communication is more important than "No means No!".

[naughty A]

Originally posted by OhioCouple
My opinion is that if you have sex with anyone outside of your significant other, in the presence of them, you have done an exchange of partners. After all, you haven't adhered to being SOLEY with your own partner. Therefore you have swapped. The differences being two men have traded two women to be engaged in sexual contact with someone other than themselves.

But let's turn the tables here a tad. What if the guys engaged in one on one sexual contact, while the women watched? What would you consider that as? Would it still be soft swap to you?

I guess I see it differently... since only HALF of the couple (s) swapped....

MY perception is that ... BOTH halves (or all parties) participate for it to be a FULL swap whether it is FF or MM or MF MF.

[OhioCouple]

Originally posted by naughty A
I guess I see it differently... since only HALF of the couple (s) swapped....

That is why this soft swap thing means different things to different people and it is always wise to ask, because it seems no one sees it exactly the same. However... two people "swapped", so in my eyes it was a 'swap'...I suppose tho, there could be another catagory for "Half Swappers".

Soft No Swapper Swingers
Half Swapper Swingers
Full Swapper Swingers

[mifligirl25]

i've always thought both partners had to be to ba considered a full swap if the men are only watching then i would think it's a girl/girl thing and if you had sex with your own partner after the it was just a little pre show great sex for the night that's just my opinion though...

[imsnowman]

Originally posted by OhioCouple
Quick story. (yeah right )

We recently returned to swinging after a break from a bad experience (nothing like what you are experiencing, a real bad one to be honest) and we returned with some hard set rules and boundries. We met with a couple that we felt comfortable with and dangit if we didn't break darn near every rule that we had pre-set. I had some problems with that, however, what we did was talk with the other couple about it...as they had broken some of their's too.

By communicating with them directly after the fact, we all felt better about it. So we sorta revised our rules (with them) and then the next time we met, we went out of the pre-set boundries...AGAIN. Which really freaked me. But again, we all talked about it, directly after the fact.

I'd say this story perfectly illustrates that once the little head takes control the big head is just along for the ride!!

[Alura]

Soft swing...semi-swing...full swing...

I reckon sometimes a name is just not enough. You have to sit down and have a discussion to make sure the other folks understand what you mean.

Mr. Alura

[BradAndJanet]

Originally posted by Alura
Soft swing...semi-swing...full swing...

I reckon sometimes a name is just not enough. You have to sit down and have a discussion to make sure the other folks understand what you mean.

Mr. Alura

Exactly what I was thinking...

-B

[J & K]

Girl-on-girl just means that to us!!!

Full swap means to us= mf/mf

Pretty simple for full swap---swapping mates at the same time.

That is our view only.

[bear_n_bunny]

Bear and I recently had a soft swap adventure with a couple we'd previously full swapped with because that was just the mood. I can tell you there was nothing soft about it. It was far more intense that any full swap we've done to date.

However, there was some light bi play later, and as Bear was not involved it felt like full swap. My focus was on my partner, not on my husband just as if I'd been playing with the other couples husband. So, if I am not engaged with Bear, then I'm swapped, full swapped. Hopefully that makes some sort of sense.

In the end, the only that matters is what is agreed upon between you and your partner, as well as, the other couple. You can call it anything you want, what matters is how you feel about it. Just as some consider bi-play without the partners knowledge cheating, and some don't. It's all about communication and mindset. Since there is no Hoyle's Rules of Swinging to refer to, it can be soft or it can be full. In my definition if it is play without Bear, it's full.

-- Bunny

[Alura]

Originally posted by bear_n_bunny
...there is no Hoyle's Rules of Swinging...

-- Bunny

And yet another opportunity for Julie's new publishing company!

Mr. Alura

[JustAskJulie]

I would consider girl/girl only activity as a form of Soft-swinging, not full-swap.

I'm with you on your definition of full-swap (both couples swapping partners for intercourse).