swinging w/wifes boss (co owner) and his wife

[fun4usnh]

WOW where to begin. we had our first 2 soft swings w/ her boss and wife. We had a great time. Second time was at a off premise club, we all danced grinded kissed rubbed and touched, my wife even rubbed both cocks at the same time. I told my wife this doesn't seem like a good idea but she wants to and I'm ok with it as long as she knows that she'll have to quit her job if it gets out about us 4. Also if things get romantic. Ahhh yes romantic thats my point here. Does it seem ok that when they (wife and boss) go to the bathroom that they kiss outside the bathroom then at the end of the nite when we walk out to our cars they embrace and make out.Don't think I'm blind I know my wife loves me and I know he loves his wife. yes I'm sure.
Just curious how much kissin and when is to much or when enuf is enuf.
Just a lil note his wife works there too, small co.15 - 20 ppl,
I had a gr8 time w/ his wife also,rubbin and sukin her tits and makin out on dance floor. Only a small kiss at the end of the nite tho.
I also had stage fright this nite also guys.

[Alura]

You'll get a lot of response telling you this is a bad idea, but to tell ya the truth, this would be an ideal (almost fantasy) situation for us. (I'll put on my flame suit.)

We always played with couples, usually just one over a long period of time. In my opinion, the better the relationship, the more fun two couples can have together. The people at your company should think nothing of y'all hanging out together. Couples who work together often do that. Just go to sports events, vanilla parties, the movies, picnics together. Don't be kissing in company corridors; keep your hands off each other at work, and don't be telling "special folks" about the sex part. Make sure all four of you understand the security problem and the rules needed to keep y'all's secret. If y'all feel a need to shock people, spend a weekend in a bigger city far enough away to be fairly certain y'all won't run into your grandmother.

We've always done a lot of kissing; we like it before, during and after. We once went out to dinner with a new couple, really hit it off well, and decided to sit in their van for awhile after dinner and talk. Well, talking gave way to kissing. We played with them for years, always kissed them "Hello" and "Bye" often with a lot of kissing in between. It was a special part of our friendship.

In our opinion, kissing, like sex, can be done for fun as well as for love. When I kiss Mrs. Alura it always means, "I love you." When I kiss another woman it means, "Let's get hot!" Ne'er the twain shall meet. Well, I tend to express the latter with Mrs. Alura, too.

Mr. Alura

[SouthBond]

Very interesting. This may work fine and it may blow up. Whatever, your wife has her boss by the balls, legally. I can see it in the newspaper now, head of XXX Cooperation sued for 4 billion dollars by ex-secretary for sexual harassment. Documents show that the secretary and her husband forced into love quadrangle to keep her job. Swinging is about sex. Unless you are into the Poly thing swinging is, I think that I would like to have sex with you, You would like to have sex with me. It was great. See you later. Where is the boss's wife in all this. Come to think of it, the boss's wife also has his balls in her hands. I can see the divorce papers now. I highly recommend that you start making your wife and the boss's wife very happy. Either she or your wife may become financially very well off before this story ends.

[good times]

While it is not something we would do, playing with coworkers, from your standpoint I don't really see a big issue with it. From the bosses standpoint I think he is nuts to go there, as he is in a position to lose much more than you are.

As far as the kissing goes, that would be pretty normal for us, we often make out quite a lot with playmates.

[HappyPeople]

The only problem that I see is that the three of them are together all day and you are not with them. After a while, you might feel a bit left out.

[ShellyM]

I'm going to tell you the truth, be careful.
Personal life and business life really don't mix well sometimes. What happens if something happens at the office, and that spills into the play life....or something happens in your play life that bleeds over into the professional life. I would honestly say that this is not something I would ever do. In my last office I rarely talked about anything really personal at all. But, thats just me.

[nice_cpl_n_bama]

The 11th Commandment:
Thou shalt not defecate where thou consume-ist.
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It seems wise to me to go to great lengths to separate your lifestyle activities from your work life.

[sereneiders]

WOW, two questions, just one thread.

For the first one, I guess you know what I am about to say.... swinging with your wife's boss isn't a good idea.

About the second question, well...kissing, flirting, how much is too much? It deppends on the people involved. Does it bother you? In the other hand, from your words you don't seem to hesitate about the "romance" idea (a polyamoral relationship), and in such an scenario... there isn't something like "too much" kissing :-)

But there could be a problem you didn't mentioned, but worthing a second thought here. It wouldn't be only about them kissing, it's also that you know your wife and her boss spend 40 hours a week in the same place, beyond your sight. A lot of people spend more time of his/her life with coworkers than with the spouse, so the "romance" stuff comes from the hand of the ghost of what you cannot witness during the day. They have a lot of chances to talk to eachother, in an scenario where the other guy "overpower" your wife.

I am open to polyamoral relationships, I trust my wife enough as to leave her alone with the other party for as long as they want to be alone, however, the scenario where you're inmersed into would make me pretty unconfortable.

[WesternSwing]

From experience, I wouldn't go there.

Mrs. WS worked at a company which was owned by the parent of one member of a couple we met in the lifestyle and became friends with. When Mrs. WS suddenly found herself without a job one day, they offered her a job at their company. We have a "no coworker" rule, but we figured that we'd met them through the lifestyle that this might be different since the relationship was already well defined.

The job lasted nine months. During that time we'd all go out together and such. No real problems there. Contact at the office was off limits since it would not be good for the parents/owners to find out, as well as the other coworkers.

Then one day Mrs. WS announced she was leaving the company for position with another company with more steady pay. There were viscious text messages sent from the other wife, they threatened to sue Mrs. WS for BS reasons that had no basis in reality.

In short, her leaving hurt the feelings of this other couple, nothing more, nothing less. They were great friends, now we haven't talked to them in over a year.

Mixing work, friends, and sex screwed-up all three.

Stear clear of this situation. I don't see any good coming of it.

Mr. WS

[ViSexual]

I agree with Mr. Alura.

Kissing can be for love but it can also be for sensual/sexual fun. I love to kiss too!

And coworkers? Well..., of the five couples we had swinging situations with, three were current or past coworkers. Never had any problems because of it. It's how you handle it.

And, as Mr. Alura also said, the longer and the better you know people, the more relaxed and enjoyable the sex is.

Good luck and enjoy!

Rich

[ShellyM]

Originally Posted by ViSexual

I agree with Mr. Alura.

Kissing can be for love but it can also be for sensual/sexual fun. I love to kiss too!

I absolutely agree with this 100%. I adore kissing. To me there is a love kiss that I have when I am kissing Jay...and then there are the passionate, in the heat of the moment kisses that I have with Jay and my play partner. Kissing with me is an essential part of the whole experience. As I have said before, to ban me from kissing is like tieing my hands behind my back. I can't do well without it lol.

[Alura]

Western Swing wrote:

They were great friends, now we haven't talked to them in over a year.

That's a real shame, Mr. WS. It's always sad to part with friends.

Nevertheless, my guess is that they weren't as good friends as y'all thought. If they had been, they wouldn't have been upset when your wife moved on to a better deal. They would have been happy for her. After all, she left the job, not them.

Folks' minds work in mysterious ways. Sometimes friends go away and we never really know why. What a pity!

Mr. Alura

[fun4usnh]

Originally Posted by HappyPeople

The only problem that I see is that the three of them are together all day and you are not with them. After a while, you might feel a bit left out.

I thought of that and she rarely sees him at all and if theres ANY correspondance via email then she prints it out and shows that to me. Whenever she goes into the office w/him the wife comes in also so theres no prob there

[fun4usnh]

Originally Posted by ShellyM

I absolutely agree with this 100%. I adore kissing. To me there is a love kiss that I have when I am kissing Jay...and then there are the passionate, in the heat of the moment kisses that I have with Jay and my play partner. Kissing with me is an essential part of the whole experience. As I have said before, to ban me from kissing is like tieing my hands behind my back. I can't do well without it lol.

I definetly would not stop kissin but I just told my wife this am. that when we leave the club that there is only a small kiss goodnite, she can make out in the club but once we leave through those doors it's me and her time. I have accepted the boss/wife thing but if anything happens it's I TOLD YOU SO time.

[fun4usnh]

Originally Posted by SouthBond

Very interesting. This may work fine and it may blow up. Whatever, your wife has her boss by the balls, legally. I can see it in the newspaper now, head of XXX Cooperation sued for 4 billion dollars by ex-secretary for sexual harassment. Documents show that the secretary and her husband forced into love quadrangle to keep her job. Swinging is about sex. Unless you are into the Poly thing swinging is, I think that I would like to have sex with you, You would like to have sex with me. It was great. See you later. Where is the boss's wife in all this. Come to think of it, the boss's wife also has his balls in her hands. I can see the divorce papers now. I highly recommend that you start making your wife and the boss's wife very happy. Either she or your wife may become financially very well off before this story ends.

all I can say to that is "I hear ya"