Safe Swinger Clubs

[yawanna]

We may have had this question posted before: how safe do you feel at swinger clubs...and why?

In our part of the world, Canada, Ontario, recent court rulings have created some ambiguity about morality laws, and police have visited a few clubs who were attempting, or were thought to be, holding 'on premise' events.

One of a few clubs that attempted on premise events, was recently visited by police in the form of a raid, but no arrests were made, as one of the staff had the foresight to run through the club telling everyone to get their clothes on and stop whatever sexual activity they were involved in.

There are no secret clubs in swinging, not for very long anyway, as word of mouth is the best promotion. Of the handful that jumped on the 'on premise' bandwagon, all but a few have opened and closed within the year. The remainder are still experimenting with venues and promotion. Sometimes on premise, most times not.

Even private parties are presently susceptible to police interpretation and nothing about the new laws will be clear until there've been a few test cases. One club offering an 'after party' was banned from the hotel they booked suites with.

(is 'there've' a real word? but I digress......)

As participants in this 'intramarital lifestyle' (thanks Alura) is it reasonable that we ask club owners and event organizers to have done the background work to protect their paying customers? Or do we accept being used as part of a larger experiment in testing the new laws?

We have new clubs and events cropping up all the time. When the owners up here, all except one, are asked about the safety and security of their club, the concerns are shoved to the corner.

An earlier thread spoke to us all needing to stand up for our rights as consenting adults, with some saying this is just a pastime and not a political statement for them. That withstanding, I'm not prepared to pay a club owner to attend an event that may or may not result in my arrest. I want to know they are established, credible, have capital investment AND a lawyer on call and on retainer who is familiar with these types of charges.

Right now.. private invitation only parties are what we attend, and we would consider or recommend only one other club to people here, one that is solid, established, has done all the leg work on the new laws, and instills confidence in their clients as to their ability to protect them from harrassment laws by virtue of being open about the steps they've taken and will take in the future.

Is that a reasonable expectation for us from club owners and event organizers?

[yawanna]

bumped so this appears in the view all posts from 24 hrs.....

[Spoomonkey]

I have to say that we must be terribly spoiled down here in Ohio - or we are terribly naive - or maybe we are just so damn horny that it fuels a raging indifference...

Either way - we haven't run into this. I've read about it here and there.

It scares the hell out of me when I think about it - which may be why I don't... I'd have to say that if it came to being political about it, I couldn't do it. I value my anoni... anony... umm... facelessness too much

In the atmosphere that you are describing, you are more than justified in your expectations. After all - swing clubs aren't the cheapest thing in the world - and I'd hate like hell to pay a year membership fee only to see the club fold in two months. And - you're right... Paying for a night out when there is the risk of needing to carry bail money just makes me grit...

Swinging will always be on the wrong side of the fence of those who claim moral superiority... So - those of us who are actually right will always be challenged to make sure that we keep our "good name."

Spoomonkey

[yawanna]

It's more like... do I want a criminal record for an extra curricular activity? Another thread spoke to 'underground' on premise clubs and they couldn't share the club information for fear of being found out.

That is NOT cool.

My question was... is... are the people attending aware, or did they even ask, about the credibility of the sponsors/hosts.

[OhioCplLooking]

this to the Ohio couple, where are the clubs in toledo and how do we become members?

[KentuckianaCPL4]

Originally posted by OhioCplLooking
this to the Ohio couple, where are the clubs in toledo and how do we become members?

Taken from the internet.

Secret Rendezvous
4635 N Detroit
Toledo, OH 43612
(419) 438-0877
http://www.secret-rendezvous.com/

Ken & Rox

[KentuckianaCPL4]

We live within a couple of hours of Dayton and Cincy.

Our take on the lifestyle is that discretion is a "MUST".
But how discreet can you be when the club you are visiting, lets say all those in OHIO list the Clubs actual address on the website for general viewing by everyone.
The more word gets out that these clubs exsist the more apt they are to be visited by less than lifestyle firendly patrons. Word of mouth states that most of these club are excellent. But the lack of discretion has kept us away.

We are members of a Club in Louisville and you will never see its address posted. Anywhere.

Ken & Rox

[cpl_from_ct]

don't they allow prostitution there in canada?

why do they care about swingers?

[yawanna]

don't they allow prostitution there in canada?

Prostitution is not legal in Canada, perse...it's one of those funny morality laws we have. IE: It's legal to pay someone for sex, it's not legal to ASK someone to pay or OFFER to pay for sex. And further, if you live with a prostitute, say....your girlfriend, you can be charged with living off the avails of prostitution.

Clear as mud, n'est pas?

I don't know why the local cops care about swingers. One of the local bathouses held a women only night a few years back, and was raided. Several gay bars were raided as well.

It all seems to be based upon community standards, local by laws and such and how much complaining the cops hear about certain places. There really is no rhyme or reason to it. Not that I can discern anyway.