Clubbing for a club "virgin"

[nwazscore]

This is kind of related to a few other posts, so I wasn't certain about posting a whole new thread...

I'd like some advice on what to expect in a club. I'm certain clubs are different wherever you go, but....

My SO and I are headed out of town for a long weekend, and he'd like to maybe check out a swinger's club while we're there. I am somewhat intrigued by the idea and somewhat apprehensive. Do you generally hang out with other swingers in some area of the club and then are there rooms you head back to if you want to get together? I mean, how does this club thing work.

My SO went to a resort in Vegas with his ex-wife were together, but that sounded more like a place you stayed the weekend at than just a "club." I just think of a nightclub with orgies going on in the middle of the floor or something and I can be a little shy to begin with.

So... any advice? And can anyone recommend any clubs in Phoenix, AZ (that's where we are headed)?

Thanks!

[nwazscore]

Anyone out there know of a good club in Phoenix, AZ? If so, could you kind of describe what it's like there?

Thanks!

[remox]

Not to scare you, but, you should be aware that the clubs in phoenix are all having some legal issues right now. The city changed some laws/ordinances and the legality of both the clubs and the modified laws/ordinances is in question.

However, the city is content to leave the patrons alone, and is persuing the management and club owners.

The club that I have heard the most about and that has the best reputation is Club Chameleon. I have been fortunate enough to meet the owners who are great folks, and are dedicated to providing a positive experience to their patrons.

Take a look at the club listings on this site and read reviews for more info. Also, when in doubt call the club directly and ask them questions. They are more qualified to answer them than anyone else.

The most important ingredient to having a good time in a club is your atttitude. If you go with a willingness to make the most of whatever the evening has to offer, you are likely to have a great night.

Good luck and have fun.

[JustAskJulie]

What to expect from a club depends highly on what club you choose and what type of club that is.

Most clubs that you will find are Off-Premise clubs. THese clubs are more or less like going to a night club filled with sexually charged people, wearing very skimpy clothes. You will probably see some heavy petting but that will most likely be the extreme of what you will see. If you want to have sex with someone you have to actually leave the club and go somewhere else (someone's home or hotel room).

An On-premise club typically has an area set aside for socializing, and other areas set aside where sex actually occurs on the premises.

[Samnkay]

The Off-Premise clubs are the place for new couples to start. To many couples go to the on premise clubs before they are ready.

Sam and Kay

[passion8]

Ah samnkay are you telling us now that we started in the wrong place?

Our first experience was in an on-premises club and it was fantastic. However, we do believe that taking things slowly is the way to go. But for us we'd rather have gone to an on premises club that first time than have left an off premises club with another couple. That's just our feeling though.

[Spoomonkey]

We agree with Passion8. Obviously, it all depends on your comfort zones, but we have only been to an on-premises club and aren't sure what we'd think of an off-premises environment. It has been nice to leave our play at the club, but we certainly understand "virgin nerves".

When we started, we were pretty much anti-club. It wasn't until our third internet couple that we were finally convinced to give the club a try. Now we swear by them - and once you go, you will meet people who can give you a ton of "hand's on" advice about clubs that they have visited.

Good luck

The Spoomonkeys

[fun_pairTX]

We feel that newbies are much better off in an ON premise club. In the ON premise world all the rules are clearly delineated to everyone before they enter. Everyone can set their own boundaries and have no trouble sticking to them as they see fit. There are a lot less BS, wannabees, and pretenders in an on premise club and that is the way we have always preferred it.

[good times]

Dito We also think an on premise club is the best way to go. I will admit though, the first time we went we were so nervous we both felt like we were going to lose our diner. But we percerviered, and in retrospect, I don't think we could have picked a better way to get introduced to the lifestyle.

R

[Sonja&Brett]

Our experience with on premise clubs is that everyone there is more respectful of each other than you would find at a regular night club. The atmosphere is very erotic but there is no pressure to swing with another couple. In fact our observations are that the vast majority of people are there for the charged atmosphere. A percentage will go to the play area just to play with each other. There always seems to be a group that knows each other and we see them playing as a group in the play area. We doubt that very few people actually meet someone new at an on premise club and end up swinging together. We've been going to clubs for over five years now and no one has ever approached us and asked us to swing.

[mrs good times]

I disagree about meeting new people at a club to swing with. We were approached on our second and third outings and did swing with both couples. We don't meet someone that we feel is compatible every time but it does happen or why else would we go.

We live in a tourist town so there are always new people at the club to meet and maybe play with.

[davephx]

Originally posted by remox
Not to scare you, but, you should be aware that the clubs in phoenix are all having some legal issues right now. The city changed some laws/ordinances and the legality of both the clubs and the modified laws/ordinances is in question.

Actually the law was passed making Phoenix swing clubs illegal in 1998. Nothing has changed except more and more enforcement since the Clubs lost their 9th Circuit Court case against the City.

NO Customers have any risk. Only the club owners and managers are being hauled to jail. The clubs are mostly in turmoil, Club Encounters went to being a gay club.

Club C is by far the most popular and is trying to fight for the rights of all swingers in the U.S. since the Community Defense Counsel which is the religious group behind the law is helping other cities in the U.S. pass the same law.

In a meeting with the Phoenix Chief of Police a few weeks ago the police made it clear the next step is to start ebatement proceedings to take over the clubs and force them to close.

There is lots of legal action going on. The police bust in with no search warrents claiming they have the right to "inspect" for any sexual activity which makes the club illegal under the Phoenix ordinance.

[remox]

Davephx,
Thanks for the correction!

I know that the Liberated Christians, National Coalition for Sexual Freedom, International LIfestyle Association and a bunch of other groups are helping to keep Club Chameleon going with assistance in regards to their legal battle.

My understanding is that Milo has vowed to "go all the way" (and I don't mean with Nancy or the members).

On that note: Most groups fighting for your First Amendment Rights are not-for-profit organizations that operate from and gladly accept donations, have modest membership fees or work from volunteer labor. Please voluteer, donate, and join these groups!