Why newbies are hesitant to go to parties...

temptresz · 09-02-2003, 11:07 PM

It is probably with the recent publicity about the television station entering a party. I can be freaky with the best of them but the lack of discretions is of the upmost importance to me. In my profession, it can be detrimental to my career.

EternallySingle · 09-02-2003, 11:56 PM

I didn't hear about it. When? Where? Last I heard of was two years ago in Flint. One club tipped off Fox news in order to shut the other down. Something about a rivalry between the hostesses or some crap.

Thats what turns me off to clubs. Never know when you're going to walk in on someone's personal vendetta against someone else. At least with regular bars you don't have to worry about your reputation getting smeared when you end up testifying in court.

wrnakedru · 09-03-2003, 06:45 PM

Several years back I was one of 28 (22 women, 6 men) who got taken into custody by the Houston Vice Squad at an off-premises club. I was released the next day, charges dropped. But there were only 3 of us fortunate enough to have that happen. The rest had to "go the distance" of the procedure.

It was a "publicity" event to bring support to the police and the then city government as this happened just a few weeks prior to an election.

It is my understanding that the existing policy here in Texas is to issue a citation rather than the "roundup" that used to occur. This at least does save the surrounding difficulties when a baby-sitter may have to be informed of the parents whereabouts, or a call to an employer who is expecting an employee at work. But it is still an unpleasant circumstance to endure especially when the so-called crime is victimless - - and there are many crimes WITH victims that seem more worthy of the law's attention.

The laws governing public behavior are those that include what is permissable behavior when alcoholic beverages are being sold. A smart club owner knows the laws, and makes every effort to insure non-violation of the laws in the establishment.

Likewise, an on-premises location should go to great lengths to insure no violations are occuring - thus insuring the privacy and well-being of themselves, their employees, and their customers.

A police department that is eager for what they deem as positive publicity, informing the local media of an event so that a news story results is not worthy of the public respect they seek.

Do not be mistaken, though, in thinking "the police can't do" thus and such. The police can in most instances do pretty much whatever they choose to do; up to and including taken a person into custody for up to 72 hours with no charge being filed and for no other reason than a non-specific "suspicion".

At the end of that time, they can release the individual with no more to be said. Very few individual's lives can withstand a 72 hours disruption without repercussion.

fun_pairTX · 09-03-2003, 07:46 PM

Off premise clubs are public places just like bars and other non swing clubs are. No warrant is necessary for the police to enter as long as there is someone present. On premise clubs are a bit different. Our club has a remotely controlled gate and cameras, there would be sufficient warning, at least enough to grab our drawers.

wrnakedru · 09-03-2003, 10:13 PM

I am glad to hear of the protection your club provides for you.

We have not attended an on-premise club, so I am not familiar with them.

It's good to know that even if the police showed up with members of the media in tow, there wouldn't be a "shock value" story for them to film.

Close Encounters · 09-04-2003, 01:19 PM

Off-Premise Members only clubs are no more public than On-Premise clubs. A private club is a private club wether it be a VFW a sewing circle or a swing club.

Police need an invitation to enter or a warrant.

Just calling yourself a private club won't get the job done. The premises access must be controlled. An open door with no one at it is an open invitation.

***JustAskJulie*** · 09-04-2003, 01:22 PM

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Originally posted by Close Encounters
Off-Premise Members only clubs are no more public than On-Premise clubs. A private club is a private club wether it be a VFW a sewing circle or a swing club.

Police need an invitation to enter or a warrant.

Just calling yourself a private club won't get the job done. The premises access must be controlled. An open door with no one at it is an open invitation.

Good points. You also need to take the legal steps to set yourself up as a members only private club.

I think that's one of the big problems with a lot of upstart clubs, they don't bother to consult a lawyer and find out what they should do (or they are scared to for outting themselves). Not making sure you are running a legal operation is just asking for trouble.

Close Encounters · 09-04-2003, 01:24 PM

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Originally posted by JustAskJulie
Not making sure you are running a legal operation is just asking for trouble.

hotcpl4fun · 09-16-2003, 10:35 PM

Hi we are fairly new to swinging and are very hesitant to go to swinger clubs. I guess our reasoning behind this is the thought of being pressured into something....Are we wrong in thinking this? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Flori_DAMAN · 09-16-2003, 11:43 PM

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Originally posted by hotcpl4fun
Hi we are fairly new to swinging and are very hesitant to go to swinger clubs. I guess our reasoning behind this is the thought of being pressured into something....Are we wrong in thinking this? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

No, you are not wrong. You of course should investigate the club. This site has a great listing of clubs and critiques.

The main thing is to be prepared for anything. I have been to clubs that are well known and have great reviews, but one or two jerks get in and zero in on you and wreck your evening.

The basic rules are NO means NO. IF anyone goes beyond that go to the club owner and complain.

Having attended clubs for twenty years plus, this is something I have seen happen, but rarely (being pressured). Overall if a swingers club has been established for a long time, and has good policies you should have no problems.

The way some couples get around this is to warm up to you, get you into a room and change the rules. DOn't let that happen. Just leave and if they are pushy complain.

John

hotcpl4fun · 09-19-2003, 11:03 AM

thanks flori_DAMAN, you have been a big help.

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09-02-2003, 11:07 PM	#1 (permalink)
temptresz Registered Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4 Location: Metro-Detroit	Why newbies are hesitant to go to parties... It is probably with the recent publicity about the television station entering a party. I can be freaky with the best of them but the lack of discretions is of the upmost importance to me. In my profession, it can be detrimental to my career.

09-02-2003, 11:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
EternallySingle Swingers Board Addict Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,035 Location: Michigan Status: Single Male SLS Name:ABSingleMan	That's happened again? I didn't hear about it. When? Where? Last I heard of was two years ago in Flint. One club tipped off Fox news in order to shut the other down. Something about a rivalry between the hostesses or some crap. Thats what turns me off to clubs. Never know when you're going to walk in on someone's personal vendetta against someone else. At least with regular bars you don't have to worry about your reputation getting smeared when you end up testifying in court. __________________ "Style is not lusting after somone because they are cool. Style is loving yourself till everyone else does too." Prince

09-03-2003, 06:45 PM	#3 (permalink)
wrnakedru Swingers Board Addict Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,991 Location: Bliss Status: Female	I can relate! Several years back I was one of 28 (22 women, 6 men) who got taken into custody by the Houston Vice Squad at an off-premises club. I was released the next day, charges dropped. But there were only 3 of us fortunate enough to have that happen. The rest had to "go the distance" of the procedure. It was a "publicity" event to bring support to the police and the then city government as this happened just a few weeks prior to an election. It is my understanding that the existing policy here in Texas is to issue a citation rather than the "roundup" that used to occur. This at least does save the surrounding difficulties when a baby-sitter may have to be informed of the parents whereabouts, or a call to an employer who is expecting an employee at work. But it is still an unpleasant circumstance to endure especially when the so-called crime is victimless - - and there are many crimes WITH victims that seem more worthy of the law's attention. The laws governing public behavior are those that include what is permissable behavior when alcoholic beverages are being sold. A smart club owner knows the laws, and makes every effort to insure non-violation of the laws in the establishment. Likewise, an on-premises location should go to great lengths to insure no violations are occuring - thus insuring the privacy and well-being of themselves, their employees, and their customers. A police department that is eager for what they deem as positive publicity, informing the local media of an event so that a news story results is not worthy of the public respect they seek. Do not be mistaken, though, in thinking "the police can't do" thus and such. The police can in most instances do pretty much whatever they choose to do; up to and including taken a person into custody for up to 72 hours with no charge being filed and for no other reason than a non-specific "suspicion". At the end of that time, they can release the individual with no more to be said. Very few individual's lives can withstand a 72 hours disruption without repercussion.

09-03-2003, 07:46 PM	#4 (permalink)
fun_pairTX Swingers Board Addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,185 Location: Ennis, Texas Status: Couple	Off premise is a public place Off premise clubs are public places just like bars and other non swing clubs are. No warrant is necessary for the police to enter as long as there is someone present. On premise clubs are a bit different. Our club has a remotely controlled gate and cameras, there would be sufficient warning, at least enough to grab our drawers. __________________ fun_pairTX

09-03-2003, 10:13 PM	#5 (permalink)
wrnakedru Swingers Board Addict Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,991 Location: Bliss Status: Female	I am glad to hear of the protection your club provides for you. We have not attended an on-premise club, so I am not familiar with them. It's good to know that even if the police showed up with members of the media in tow, there wouldn't be a "shock value" story for them to film.

09-04-2003, 01:19 PM	#6 (permalink)
Close Encounters Club Host Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 283 Location: Gulfport Ms Status: Couple	Off-Premise Members only clubs are no more public than On-Premise clubs. A private club is a private club wether it be a VFW a sewing circle or a swing club. Police need an invitation to enter or a warrant. Just calling yourself a private club won't get the job done. The premises access must be controlled. An open door with no one at it is an open invitation. __________________ Gail and Pee Wee www.close-encounters-club.com www.pensacolaswingers.com

09-16-2003, 10:35 PM	#9 (permalink)
hotcpl4fun Active Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 23 Location: Anniston, AL Status: couple	Hi we are fairly new to swinging and are very hesitant to go to swinger clubs. I guess our reasoning behind this is the thought of being pressured into something....Are we wrong in thinking this? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. __________________ attractive,D/D free mwc iso same!

09-19-2003, 11:03 AM	#11 (permalink)
hotcpl4fun Active Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 23 Location: Anniston, AL Status: couple	thanks flori_DAMAN, you have been a big help. __________________ attractive,D/D free mwc iso same!

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