Legality and on-premise clubs

[remox]

These questions are primarily for those people who go to clubs. I am specifically asking about on-premise clubs.

Do you do any research into whether the club is operating legally? If so, how?

Does it matter to you if the club is operating legally? If not, why not?

[Chris&Amelia]

One of the on-premises clubs we attend is in a sleepy town in a residential community. We've always wondered how the owners get away with it (they hold the party in their house) because the parties get quite busy and crowded. Parking is always at a premium during their parties.

One of these days, I'll have to ask them. Us and some friends have a theory that a part of the admission/cover fees go towards the community treasury. I would imagine that the neighbors would be alot more tolerant of the crowds and the presence of "those wife-swappers" when it's helping in keeping the roads in good shape and paying for the kid's swing set (pun not intended).

Inside of the club itself they're very strict about keeping everything legal. Nobody under 21 is allowed in to begin with. They don't sell or serve alcohol (it's strictly BYOB) so they won't run afoul with the state liquor board. And upon your first visit, you have to sign a waiver which explains that absolutely no illegal drugs, including marijuana, is allowed, and if any of the staff find you with it, they'll call the cops themselves after they toss your ass out.

[Vjklander]

for info on legalities contact:
The National Coalition for Sexual Freedom (NCSF)

The National Coalition for Sexual Freedom (NCSF) is a national organization committed to altering the political, legal, and social environment in the United States.
Description: (US) national lobbying and advocacy organization promoting tolerance of sexual minorities.

www.ncsfreedom.org

J

[Close Encounters]

Each community has it's own laws from alcohol regulations to zoning ordnances. Every club should have legal representation long before they open the doors to members.

Many laws exist whose only purpose is selective prosecution ie: sodomy, sexual devices, fornication. As an example it is not legal in Mississippi to have sex with anyone other than ones spouse and then only if the spouse is farther distant than second cousin and the sex is in the missionary position. In Alabama one may own 1 but no more sexual device if that device was prescribed by a physician for the relief of histeria, however it is not legal for a store to sell such a device.

I'm sure this doesn't answer any questions but only serves to bring up more.

[fun_pairTX]

Our club is well covered as they have a huge investment in real estate. There would be little for anyone to complain about as it is not open to the public, it is in the middle of nowhere, and it is walled and gated so no one outside can see what goes on inside, except perhaps by helicopter and that is highly unlikely.

[geeman]

Originally posted by fun_pairTX
Our club is well covered as they have a huge investment in real estate. There would be little for anyone to complain about as it is not open to the public, it is in the middle of nowhere, and it is walled and gated so no one outside can see what goes on inside, except perhaps by helicopter and that is highly unlikely.

May I ask what club you are talking about?

[fun_pairTX]

Geeman,

I replied via email

[OhioCouple]

Originally posted by Close Encounters

Many laws exist whose only purpose is selective prosecution ie: sodomy, sexual devices, fornication.

I happened across this earlier today. While it doesn''t really help for the original question, it is based on the same prinicipal that Close Encounters was talking about. All cities, states, municipalities are governed by laws that can be utilized by the legal system for agrument in a law suit. This is one such law that comes off the books soon in Rolling Hills CA.

Town repeals ban on immorality

Lori

[Uneed_Love]

Originally posted by Close Encounters
Many laws exist whose only purpose is selective prosecution ie: sodomy, sexual devices, fornication. As an example it is not legal in Mississippi to have sex with anyone other than ones spouse and then only if the spouse is farther distant than second cousin and the sex is in the missionary position. In Alabama one may own 1 but no more sexual device if that device was prescribed by a physician for the relief of histeria, however it is not legal for a store to sell such a device.

Pretty scary !!! Who says that America is the paradise of freedom ? Do not think I am anti-American here but I think just ridiculous to prosecute people if they have sex with someone else than a spouse if all partners are adults who agree with extra marital affairs.

I am still amazed how the Monica blowjob story could become a National object of scandal. If such repressive laws would be voted here in France we should make a new french Revolution and this time we would not cut the head of the members of the Parliament but the dick in order they cannot reproduce such idiots in the future. Freedom of speech is a great thing but what's matter if you can't act freely ?

I have the impression than in USA the road to the Liberty is actually a narrow path rather than a highway... Am I wrong with this ?

Cheers.

Jean-Claude

[OhioCouple]

Originally posted by Uneed_Love
..... we would not cut the head of the members of the Parliament but the dick in order they cannot reproduce such idiots in the future.

Ummmm sounds like a plan to me. I've run across a few of those in my lifetime that I'd like to halt their reproduction organs!!!

Lori

[Close Encounters]

Originally posted by Uneed_Love

I have the impression than in USA the road to the Liberty is actually a narrow path rather than a highway... Am I wrong with this ?

Jean-Claude,

It's not so much the road to Liberty. That road was a super highway when we spanked the red coats. It's the returning of our freedoms for the sake of security that really hurts.

Alas, too many of us sit at home and watch election results rather than stand in the ever shorter lines at the voting booth.

As Ben Franklin observed long ago, he who gives up his freedom in exchange for security will get neither, and deserves neither.

[naughty A]

Originally posted by remox
These questions are primarily for those people who go to clubs. I am specifically asking about on-premise clubs.

Do you do any research into whether the club is operating legally? If so, how?

Does it matter to you if the club is operating legally? If not, why not?

Since this question addresses ON premise clubs I really don't have the information to answer ... but as to the research portion and whether or not a club is operating legally, this still applies in an OFF premise situation.

I do try to check them out ahead of time, with friends who have been there, and on line.

It makes me nervous when I see people at a club breaking the
rules. As I see it as an invitation to get busted. I have often brought it to the attention of the club owners who will have a quiet word with them. I don't want to stop anyone's fun and heck knows I'm not offended by nudity but the rules are stated everywhere you turn and I don't want to see a club get busted and then be tainted by it just because one couple can't follow those rules.

[Tanman aka Mike and Marie]

The club we go to is operating legally, they are in a area of town with other nightclubs, they don't serve alcohol, you must be 21 to enter, and you must "join and submit to a membership agreement" as it is a "private" club.

It is A BIG deal if they were not operating legally as neither of us would like to be thrust into the public eye. Society as a whole still does not understand this way of life and would have a tendency to over-react

[OhioCouple]

Originally posted by naughty A

It makes me nervous when I see people at a club breaking the
rules. As I see it as an invitation to get busted. .

I have to agree here. The last thing that I want to do is to be hauled to jail from a swing function. It is a community effort.

One of the clubs we attended (which was a pretty nice one) had two events that happened that night in which the management were notified of. One was a male that attempted to intrude on an exhibionist show of sex between a husband and wife. (He was quickly escorted out) and the other was where a group of people were smoking pot. While I was not the one that reported either, there was much talk among the rest of the people there of how disrespectful it was that these people had not chosen to follow the rules.

The clubs that we have been to have an attendance of roughly 100-300 people. I don't know what they provide in the way of security but I'd have to assume 5-10 or so people. The club floor spaces are rather large (for one there is an olympic size swimming pool in addition to all the other areas) and there is no way that security can watch every person in every area for signs of breaking the rules.

I read in another posting somewhere that the staff was allowed to participate in sexual activity during the course of their shift. The clubs we have been to DO NOT allow that in anyway shape or form.

One club in particular....when you signed on the dotted line told you that as a responsible member you would report any mis-doings. This particular club also had security in which it was labled on the back of the shirts who they were. They seemed to be present every where from the dance floor to the locker rooms, to the pool/hot tub areas. (I don't think there were more than five in total) They never seemed imposing or 'gawking' for lack of better words and were actually quite professional in doing their job.

Security inside a club has never been an issue for me as most police themselves and if they can't the security staff handles the rest of it.

Perhaps Close Encounters can provide some insight on how their security or the overall security of clubs are run.

Lori

[Close Encounters]

Originally posted by OhioCouple
I read in another posting somewhere that the staff was allowed to participate in sexual activity during the course of their shift. The clubs we have been to DO NOT allow that in anyway shape or form.

This can get any ON-premise club in trouble.
If you pay someone money and then they have sex with you......
Doesn't take the sharpest DA to find a case to work with there huh.

Security will work differently at each club depending on several factors, the size, layout, wether it is on or off premise.

Security's role is
Provide a safe environment for the patrons.
Prevent the public's access.
Discretely handle any problems that may come up.
Ideally no one except the person being dealt with by a security person would ever be aware of any actions taken.