"Beautiful People Only!" Swing Clubs/Groups

[Alura]

Originally posted by OhioCouple
Careful there, yawanna! Mr. Alura is a whiz with maps! And before ya know it he'll have half this board living in Tulsa, he is very persuasive...

Come to think of it, Mrs. O, that's not a bad idea. Normally we try to keep Tulsa a secret from Yankees, but the folks on this board are quite different. They could add a lot to the community. Just think of the swingers' club we could form. We wouldn't have to worry about excluding good people just because they don't fit Hollywood's specifications. I think I like this idea...

Mr. Alura

[thekolonel]

Originally posted by wcplnsac
When I find that I am not welcome just because I may be larger than some and believe me I am not, then I feel that it is because the people involved are stuck up bitches and really don't deserve to know a good person such as myself or others like me. As I say I am only 225 and really don't show it and am 5'11" or so and have been told by some very sexy ladies that I am very good looking and extremely well endowed, so where do people, especially club owners get off not allowing someone like me in just because they don't or their clients don't like my looks or age, or whatever else. ... Where do you or anyone else get off denying me or them the opportunity to find out? I have in the past had a party or two and never denied anyone the priviledge of attending unless there just plain wasn't any more room. I will let you know now that IT ALWAYS WORKED OUT unlike people like you would have people like me believe. I honestly think that it is more that you and people like you are afraid that one day your going to be a larger person and older and you don't want to have to think about it. OH WELL, think about it because it WILL MOST LIKELY HAPPEN! Face it, you can't be a young punk forever.

Why the heat Ted? I am not a bouncer or a club owner. I am not the source of your troubles. I merely expressed my preference, which apparently isn't allowed around here unless I agree with everyone else. I have been shot down at parties by women who thought I wasn't attractive enough to play with. And I have been on the wrong side of quite a few velvet ropes in my time. Big deal. That's life. I don't see how this makes anyone "stuck up", as you say. Besides, I've met plenty of guys with similar stats as yours at these parties.

I, too, have thrown parties in the past and it definitely does not always work out if everyone is not comfortable with everyone else, whether that's based on looks, personality or anything else.

And yes Ted, I will get older, though probably not larger (my father's about the same size), and when I reach that point I will play with older people. For now I will play with people in my own general age group, who I find physically and intellectually appealing. Tell me what the hell is wrong with that? You are coming across as the punk here, not I.

I won't apologize for choosing my play partners in part based on age and looks. To say these things do not matter in the least is so much sophistry. It takes a bit more than attitude and personality to engage my naughty bits. If, as many of you say, this isn't "really" about sex then why bother pursuing sex at all outside of your relationships? At least have the courage to call a spade a spade. Are we honestly to believe that when you guys place personals ads, for example, you have absolutely no qualifiers regarding looks, age or any number of other things (such as race) that, as you say, really shouldn't matter?

Talk about snobbishness. I find the insinuation that we just don't "get it" repellant, as well as the notion that the younger crowd is automatically suspect. How is this inclusive? Who the hell has any right to tell anyone else what swinging is and isn't? Ultimately, who cares what the "beautiful people" are up to if we are content with our own playmates? I think there is a lot of bitterness and insecurity that undergirds some of these responses.

[Vjklander]

all I can say about the beautiful people is FUCK THEM, just FUCK THEM.
So There !!!!
J

[Ontcouple]

Originally posted by yawanna
I say we start an after club on premise party for only people who 'get' swinging.. we need references

In your previous posts you have critisized the club owners for opening a club for people they deem attractive..but by making a statement like above, are you not doing the same? Who is going to decide who "gets" swinging? Everyones opinions and views differ.
Ontcouple

[OhioCouple]

This is one of those kind of subjects that can get people riled for mostly no reason. Goodness knows we have had several here regarding HWP, bi-sexuality---male and female, etc.

This is what I have learned in the two years of reading this board. It's different strokes for different folks. What I may not agree with, hundreds of others may. It is how I express myself and my beliefs that makes a difference. It's taken me quite a while to learn that and I still fail on occasion.

I was going to stay away from posting my opinion in this thread, but I'll toss mine out anyway.

Anyone that owns a club or hosts a party that isn't funded by charitable donations, IMO can set whatever guidelines that they wish. If that means a swingers club that will turn you away at the door...so be it. If it means that you don't weigh over a certain amount or your hair style is passe.... and they turn you away so be it. Will it yank your chain or make you feel bad? Perhaps. However.... you have a choice here.

You can choose to be resentfull about it (like that would do any good) or you can just say to yourself... "Hey they probably aren't the kind of people that would suit my preferences anyway." And admit...we all have preferences, no swinger is without them.

For instance, I wouldn't swing or associate with anyone who is cheating. Does that make me discriminate? You bet it does. But it's my preference. I don't particularly care for foul mouthed people. Again, that is discrimantion, but it's my preference. It's really no different than those that have other standards. While I may not agree with them, they might not agree with mine either. It doesn't tho, give me the right to say theirs are wrong and mine are right. What it does tho, is give me the option to say..."To each it's own". And that is what I choose to do.

[OhioCouple]

Originally posted by Vjklander
all I can say about the beautiful people is FUCK THEM, just FUCK THEM.
So There !!!!
J

Okay, Jamie...is there anybody that you don't wanna fuck? You sly devil you! You crack me up!

[Alura]

Originally posted by thekolonel
I merely expressed my preference, which apparently isn't allowed around here unless I agree with everyone else.

The nice thing about this board, kolonel, is that you don't have to agree with anybody. You also can't expect them to agree with you. There's a lot of people who disagree. Just ask John. He thinks George Bush is just great and I still like him (John, that is)>

I won't apologize for choosing my play partners in part based on age and looks. To say these things do not matter in the least is so much sophistry. It takes a bit more than attitude and personality to engage my naughty bits. If, as many of you say, this isn't "really" about sex then why bother pursuing sex at all outside of your relationships?

A lot of us like to have sex with our friends and refuse to have sex with strangers. We don't care if you do the opposite. Mrs. Alura and I have no interest in going to clubs, but if we did, we wouldn't want the club management to decide who we would have sex with. We'll do that ourselves and it might not be a couple who looks like Ken and Barbie. We certainly wouldn't insist that they look like them.

Who the hell has any right to tell anyone else what swinging is and isn't?

We certainly agree with this, Kolonel, and would include club management in the group that has no such rights.

Mr. Alura

[BradAndJanet]

Originally posted by thekolonel
... I merely expressed my preference, which apparently isn't allowed around here unless I agree with everyone else. ...

Nope, I can't agree with that You have a right to your preferences, everyone does. Although I said we wouldn't be interested in attending such a party, I'd never argue that you don't have the right to hold it and screen the attendees to your heart's desire. Looks are not a primary attractant for us, personality is, but I refuse to say that makes us in some way 'better' than you (or vice versa). They are simply preferences, nothing more.

... I won't apologize for choosing my play partners in part based on age and looks. To say these things do not matter in the least is so much sophistry. It takes a bit more than attitude and personality to engage my naughty bits. ...

You shouldn't have to apologize. For you, looks are very important. As you said, that's part of the fantasy for you. If it doesn't 'work' for you any other way, then that should be fine. To each their own.

-B

[yawanna]

In your previous posts you have critisized the club owners for opening a club for people they deem attractive..but by making a statement like above, are you not doing the same? Who is going to decide who "gets" swinging? Everyones opinions and views differ.

It was a joke man.. sheesh.

Follow me here... IF the 'swinger' community can subdivide itself to BBW, or just blacks, or just 'beautiful people', under 40's or 50, 20 somethings, those who wear only plaid, yadda yadda.

see where I'm headed? It becomes about the subcommittee...not swinging, IMHO. Kinda like mail order brides...mail order sex

I'd like to have a pony, too

[yawanna]

. I don't particularly care for foul mouthed people. Again, that is discrimantion

<----- filing a complaint with human rights about discrimination.... I swear like a SAILOR!

For instance, I wouldn't swing or associate with anyone who is cheating. Does that make me discriminate? You bet it does. But it's my preference

Hey! yet ANOTHER target 'swinger' market that hasn't been 'tapped into yet'. Cheaters!! Hang on folks... we're on a roll!!!!!

[yawanna]

hey ontcpl.. are you a club owner? your spelling mistakes look familiar

[crazycanooks]

:slam" :slam" Hey the text looks familiar to me too..........IS THAT YOU SQUIRTY ON THE "OTHER BUSINESSES SITES"? Shame SHame...........lol........I know it aint Dutchies cause all he can spell in English is .....LOL.........................see ya later hun......crazys watching........lol

[Vjklander]

Originally posted by OhioCouple
Okay, Jamie...is there anybody that you don't wanna fuck? You sly devil you! You crack me up!

Um, yeah, guys.
J

[thekolonel]

OhioCouple, I like your perspective. Okay, people are sounding more reasonable now. Just a couple of quibbles.

Originally posted by Alura
We certainly agree with this, Kolonel, and would include club management in the group that has no such rights.

Management has every right to screen. After all, it's private property and they are taking on the risks associated with hosting. They aren't forcing you to attend, nor do they care what you do on your own. If I threw a party in my home and applied whatever arbitrary criteria to my guestlist, would I be telling *you* how to swing? Of course not. And neither are club owners when they set arbitrary criteria for events.

Even the most "open" of clubs usually have a dress-code, a code-of-conduct, and reserve the right to deny entrance or eject anyone they please. Hell I was almost turned away at the door to an off-premises party because I wore (stylish) corduroys. Many clubs do not admit single men under any circumstances, and possibly for good reason. I don't hear as many people complaining about that. Does this stop couples from swinging with single men? No.

So, yeah, management is always doing some kind of screening that might result in you missing out on people. But that's life; they have every right to hand-pick their guests and you have every right to go somewhere else more to your liking.

Originally posted by BradAndJanet
For you, looks are very important. As you said, that's part of the fantasy for you. If it doesn't 'work' for you any other way, then that should be fine.

Hmmm... I'm not sure if I like the implication here. If you are saying looks are *more* important to me than they are to most swingers, or that personality is somehow *less* important to me, I honestly do not believe this to be the case. I think there's a large gulf between the ideals expressed on this board and the way people actually behave when rubber meets road. Sure, in a room full of potential playmates, personality may be the deciding factor, but someone's physical presence is what sparks that initial curiousity. I don't think anyone here actually believes physical beauty is unimportant. Just look at the passions this thread has ignited over the subject.

And yawanna, the internet has already subdivided people into those sorts of categories. But I kind of agree with what you are saying. A (regular) dating site I used to be on had a good mix of freaks and regular folks... a lot of interesting things happened when those two blobs of people interacted. People's horizons expanded. Now the freaks have increasingly specialized "lifestyle" sites and the regular folks have their bland, neurotic "find the luv of yer life" sites.

So, yeah, there *should* be a way for disparate groups of swingers to rub elbows (this board being one), but you also have to understand that in any large lifestyle community people necessarily settle into sub-tribes where they feel most at home. Queer folks figured out how handle this stuff a long time ago. Swingers should do so well.

[yawanna]

Clarification: it's an after the club on premise party in most likely a hotel.. It is NOT a club..it's what we call 'house parties'. It is PROMOTED by clubs online. It is affiliated with swinger clubs but not run by them.

It's run by one couple who want to have houseparties with only people they deem 'exceptional' in their looks. You have to make an application to attend, send pics, full body and face shots, be interviewed by them, pre pay then BYOB, too.

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Queer folks figured out how handle this stuff a long time ago. Swingers should do so well.

Yes they did.. and all you need to attend any queer bar or function is be gay. I expect the same of swinger bars and events.