Your DL# is on File

[Tom & Bonnie]

Exactly! Let me provide a recent example that will illustrate what happens when the club requires membership forms and copies of valid Govt issued id's on couples that want to attend your party.

A few months ago two news reporters with the local ABC affiliate presented themselves as a couple for membership at our club. They were required to fill out all the personal information on our membership, sign same and produce photo id's for us to copy and attach to their membership form. Our membership form is quite extensive and covers some predetermined civil liabilities for those that violate our agreement. You can see an example of it online here you will need acrobat to view it...

Now this couple came in, several times, checked out all areas of the club, including the large European style playroom, although they would not disrobe to go into the actual play area ( a valid reason for having a European Style Playroom), and gathered a lot of information. Apparently they wisely decided not to bring in cameras or did not use any pictures they took clandestinely as that would violate the terms of our agreement and cause a predetermined civil liability to kick in making us very rich in the process. As a matter of fact, their attorneys may have informed them that they could not use any of the information they obtained as it would cause a financial hardship that would not be worth it to them to air any story about us at all.

So, what they did instead was to call the Vice department with the local police and file a complaint about lewd behavior. Apparently they were thinking the police would conduct a raid inviting their reporters and cameras along for the party. Well, that didn't happen either as the police stopped by during the week when nothing was going on, asked to come in which we gladly offered to do and showed them around. Once they saw our membership application, id requirement business licenses as a private social club, etc., they said nothing illegal going on here and signed off on same. Case closed!

Now, if we did not require id's, personal info, etc. we would've been all over the nightly news and on the front page of the local paper. So, if your club does not require these things, ask them why not! As nobody wants to see their club, much less themselves on the evening news...

[JustAskJulie]

Originally Posted by Tom & Bonnie

I hope you understand this confusing post but the bottom line is this... If you attend a club that allows nude displays or sexual activities (on premise) and they do not require your legal names and id's you are at risk of being arrested for public lewd displays. Of course the laws in your state may vary but most are similiar. In Texas the laws state:

Just to be clear it's not just a matter of seeing your ID and verifying it, or copying down a DL# but they need to actually have a photocopy of said ID on file. Correct?

[NumbskullsX2]

As we were told to expect, the last club we attended asked for our drivers licenses.

It's a good thing we had fakes.

[VegasLee]

Originally Posted by NumbskullsX2

As we were told to expect, the last club we attended asked for our drivers licenses.

It's a good thing we had fakes.

Yep, it's always a good idea to commit a crime and put someone else's business at risk to get your jollies. Great advice!

[Tom & Bonnie]

Originally Posted by JustAskJulie

Just to be clear it's not just a matter of seeing your ID and verifying it, or copying down a DL# but they need to actually have a photocopy of said ID on file. Correct?

Julie, That would be correct!

If the cops are coming into your facility to check you out you can expect that they will be using fake id's and names. However, their pictures will be of themselves so if you have an actual photocopy of the license the presented they cannot make a complaint against you and you can show that they intended to defraud you and your membership policies.

It really is a sad state of affairs that our police are the ones committing crimes in order to try and catch someone else....

[WildMiCouple]

Thanks for the insiteful info Tom and Bonnie.

But I can't let this one go....

Originally Posted by Tom & Bonnie

It really is a sad state of affairs that our police are the ones committing crimes in order to try and catch someone else....

I'm not in law enforcement, but I have a hell of a lot of respect for most of those that are. But in your case, it was the effin media that instigated the whole plan and filed the complaint Sounds like the local police were just doing their jobs and doing them well.

Brett

[NumbskullsX2]

Originally Posted by VegasLee

Yep, it's always a good idea to commit a crime and put someone else's business at risk to get your jollies. Great advice!

FWIW, the "risk" was entirely mine. There wasn't any attempt to use the ID's to deceive any member of law enforcement or to contravene any law, or to defraud the club owners. Their business was not "at risk" as we were both of legal age and standing to be on the premises.

[Tom & Bonnie]

Originally Posted by WildMiCouple

Thanks for the insiteful info Tom and Bonnie.

But I can't let this one go....

I'm not in law enforcement, but I have a hell of a lot of respect for most of those that are. But in your case, it was the effin media that instigated the whole plan and filed the complaint Sounds like the local police were just doing their jobs and doing them well.

Brett

Oh this time they did. But 8 years ago it was the cops. Two undercovers came in, produced fake id, tried to blend in, ended up getting a little hammered themselves but really couldn't produce anything to stick us with. So the next night two plain clothes detectives came to the door, tried to barge their way in without so much as a warrant, nor did the identify themselves as police, just tried to brush past me. And when I blocked the door way they attacked me, handcuffed me and charged me with assault. Took me downtown and locked me up for the rest of the night in jail.

The reason for being there? They said they were investigating a complaint. I asked for a copy of it and they said they didn't have one. Long story short, charges were dropped after we produced a video of the cops attacking me, not me assaulting them. So many lies in their report!

I have a lot of good friends that are Police that do the right thing, but there are still some rogues out there that will break the law and lie about it to harass and make their point.

[WildMiCouple]

Originally Posted by Tom & Bonnie

I have a lot of good friends that are Police that do the right thing, but there are still some rogues out there that will break the law and lie about it to harass and make their point.

What an ordeal. I can certainly understand your attitude now. I always knew it was more enjoyable to attend a club vs owning it

Keep up the fight

Brett

[Suncouple]

"And when I blocked the door way they attacked me,"
Must be an interesting vid. Tom is not a frail man.

We have not visited since the move. (That long??)
Would you please describe (define) the "European Playroom" part?

Thanks!

[notaswingeryet]

I once worked as the doorman at an adult establishment that required the phototcopying of DL for proof of age. It's surprising how many rights an individual has concerning his or her personal information and how it is used or shared after you give it to someone. If any information had been shared illeagally (without the concent of the owner) or without legal collection meathods (court orders) any one affected could and would have filed a defamation suit that would have left them in ownership of an adult establishment. As long as the information you give is stated specifaly for the proof of membership, it should not be used for any other use.

The laws are funny two edged swords, the more you know abought them the more capable you will be to protect yourself.

[Tom & Bonnie]

Originally Posted by Suncouple

"And when I blocked the door way they attacked me,"
Must be an interesting vid. Tom is not a frail man.

We have not visited since the move. (That long??)
Would you please describe (define) the "European Playroom" part?

Thanks!

Sorry, that i missed your post...

European Style means simply that one must be disrobed before entering the actual play areas. Upon entering our Green Door Lounge you come first to a locker room. Here an attendant will offer you a towel and a locker for your belongings. You must disrobe and stow your belongings before heading back to the play area. We allow members to go nude, wear a towel or bring a robe/lingerie from home. We do not allow anyone to wear street clothes of any kind.

Several reasons for that... First it cuts down on the amount of traffic flowing thru the playroom. If everyone was allowed back there with clothes on there would be so many people standing around looking those that wanted to play could not get back there. Second, it's hard to hide a camera when your naked! Everyone wants to make a memory of their experience and with the proliferation of camera phones we're very concerned about the privacy and discretion of our members.

We also do not allow, smoking, drinks, food or gum in the back. We have a water cooler, condoms & lube provided gratis. We will also remove members if they start talking loudly or otherwise bothering those of us who can't maintain an erection with all the distractions going on! LOL

[Tom & Bonnie]

Originally Posted by notaswingeryet

The laws are funny two edged swords, the more you know abought them the more capable you will be to protect yourself.

Truer words have never been spoken my friend! It's a shame that more people don't take the time to enlighten themselves.

[jdavisauto]

SS number are for IRS used only and don't need to be given to anyone but your employer and the IRS. Now if you don't want to to give your SS number to your employer then you can give your Tax ID number to your employer. Your tax ID number is not the same as your SS number. As far as your DL number that number is for offical used only and club used is not an offical office of the state. No I will not give just anyone this information and if required then I will stop going to swingers clubs. That will be going way too far and there is NO reason why a club should have this information.

[SAMnTINA]

Originally Posted by jdavisauto

SS number are for IRS used only and don't need to be given to anyone but your employer and the IRS. Now if you don't want to to give your SS number to your employer then you can give your Tax ID number to your employer. Your tax ID number is not the same as your SS number. As far as your DL number that number is for offical used only and club used is not an offical office of the state. No I will not give just anyone this information and if required then I will stop going to swingers clubs. That will be going way too far and there is NO reason why a club should have this information.

SS numbers are required by banks, investment firm, and many others try getting a loan or credit card with out giving your number. Also an individiuals Tax ID is his SS#. Tax Ids for busineess are Employer IDs, and wages must be reported to Social Security (who shares this information with IRS) by employers using SS#s. As all W2 reportes are matched to names on file with social security.

Hate for there to be bad information out there.

Steven J Weil, PhD, EA
Naked Accounting

PS We would never go to a club or event that the Owner's / Producers did not make sure that everyone attending was of legal age and had a valid concent to the activities. Even better when it provides penalties for others that share information they should not. Thanks Tom & Bonnie for going to such great length to protect your members and those that attend your club.