On-premise activity at Off-Premise clubs

[JustAskJulie]

I was reading some old threads and something was mentioned that brought this to mind. It's something we've discussed with some other couples on occasion about some of the clubs around here.

How do you feel about on-premise activity (overt sex - even just oral) at off-premise clubs?

I can't say I've never "bent the rules" a bit at an off-premise club but I usually try to do so subtly rather than in an overt manner. I guess my feeling is that a club should be what it is ... there are legal issues with both types of clubs but by not sticking to what the club is and pushing the limits (and allowing their members to do so), IMO they endanger all of their members with a higher potential of giving them reason to be busted. I could be wrong (and I'm hoping some club owners will speak up and give their thoughts).

[Close Encounters]

All clubs have their reasons for what ever their format or rules. Doing things that are expressly not allowed puts everyone in danger. Even at an on premise club if their rules state no nudity or sex acts in the social area you can bet there is a law the club is trying not to break. Keep the booze where it is allowed and the same with the sex. When you are headed into the play area at an on-premise club and see the sign "No Drinks beyond this point" put the drink down. If that same door has a sign on the other side "No Nudity beyond this point" cover up.
Laws don't have to make since to thinking people to be enforced.

[JustAskJulie]

I guess what I wonder about is why so many clubs state one thing but then don't enforce it. They are stated to be off-premise and yet they allow overt sex acts out in the open (not talking in a dark corner or sneaking off to the bathroom but on top of tables).

And with that I wonder how others feel about encountering those situations. Do they make you feel ill at ease? Or do you prefer a club that allows you to be open and do whatever regardless of the risk it may impose?

[Bama0468]

In the case you mentioned Julie I would think ( and this coming from a resturant back ground) that a sanitation issue might be the worry, while dark corner and bathroom might be ok with me, I am not sure I would feel comfy sitting at a table in a club where I had seen such open affection, it would be going through my mind as to cleaning and how often and well it was done. although I guess one could say in a play room at a on premise club there should be the same thoght, but for some reason it is a seperate issue in my mind

[Close Encounters]

[quote=JustAskJulie;320842]They are stated to be off-premise and yet they allow overt sex acts out in the open (not talking in a dark corner or sneaking off to the bathroom but on top of tables).
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I guess even club owners think with the little head sometimes.

We wouldn't return to a club that operated that way.

[good times]

While I have never been to an off-premise club, I have to say it would make me feel very uneasy if the patrons were openly flaunting the rules. It would probably bother me enough not to go again.

[Malachista]

Well, I guess that there are officall rules that have them to say it is not allright, but since they know that it is unlikely to get them in real trouble, they will overlook it.

There is one club in my area that has to close at 2am, because that is the rule for all bars in this area.
While they will encourage people to leave by then and stop the music, they will not force people in the playrooms apart, and will let them shower and dress without a hurry, and give them a last drink after, so basicly the last handfull of people will leave around 5am.
Why they allow this?
Because after 10 years they know that bending the rules will not be a problem as long as no neigbours complain about the noise - and since they are in a industrial area that is deserted over the weekend there is no one to complain.

Another host once told me that there is no rule against nudity in the social area - and that people could fuck at the bar for all she cares, but hardly anyone ever tries it - some oral is the most they see in that area, and only by very brave regulars.

Another club has a lounge they don't want people to fuck in, there is no sign that tells people not too, but there are no wipes or condoms handy, and 99% of the people do get the hint...

I guess most clubs know what they can overlook and will keep an eye out for things that will really get them in trouble - and explain to the offenders in person why this rule is important

[VegasLee]

PeeWee pretty much hit most of it on the head. There are rules for a reason and most of the time it is to try to stay legal.

Another take is many party hosts will over look things because Guests want to break rules, they want to push the limits and when they are told to pull it back a bit they are not happy.

Many times at the conventions in Vegas that are in hotels with casinos people pushed things way over the line. Those casinos have the State looking at them every minute of the day and are protective of their BILLION DOLLAR Gaming Licenses, they don't want to take a chance on losing them. Many people had been told to control their self yet they would still step way over the lines of good common sense in a public place.

Those type of actions makes it very hard to have events in some towns, including Las Vegas. What a few do is the only thing the State remembers when you apply for a permit to hold your event. They forget about the other 1000 couples that had good sense to follow some basic rules.

It seems the same ones that step to far over the line are also the ones that hit the Internet after an event and slam the event hosts.

We held bar meets once a month for five years. We had many bars that we talked to tell us they did not want a "swingers group" in their bar for the same reasons mentioned above.

I understand everyone just wants to have fun but respect for the business owner also has to come to mind or there will be no places left to go.

[two4youinswva]

Originally Posted by JustAskJulie

I guess what I wonder about is why so many clubs state one thing but then don't enforce it. They are stated to be off-premise and yet they allow overt sex acts out in the open (not talking in a dark corner or sneaking off to the bathroom but on top of tables).

And with that I wonder how others feel about encountering those situations. Do they make you feel ill at ease? Or do you prefer a club that allows you to be open and do whatever regardless of the risk it may impose?

It would definitely make us feel ill at ease.

We attend an off-premises club very often. The members are really good at policing themselves, and the hosts have no problem giving a friendly reminder when someone pushes the limits.

Around here it's all about the liquor laws. If there's alcohol, then there can't be nudity and obviously no sex acts. The ABC enforcement agent visited the club one night about 2 years ago. When he saw that it was pretty much just a bunch of couples dancing, chatting, and having a legal good time, he complemented the hosts on the party and setup, and left within 20 minutes. That was the last time he visited the club.

In my opinion, the clubs that don't enforce the rules could soon find themselves showing up in this forum.
Hint: It's not the "Club Reviews" section of the board.

[MIbbwcpl]

I've seen on prem activity at an off prem club. Said club was in a hotel's ball room. Honestly, it put me off. I thought it was rather sleazy. These folks had a room, why not go to it instead of screwing around very openly at the tables?

[TNT]

Originally Posted by VegasLee

I understand everyone just wants to have fun but respect for the business owner also has to come to mind or there will be no places left to go.

And THAT is what everyone should keep in mind.


I can't say that I haven't pushed the rules/limits before....I have but,...I have tried to keep it in a deniable fashion for the owner/host....i.e. dark corner, hidden way.

There was a time at an on-premise club where a very handsome man and I were getting a bit freaky and he started going down on me in the social/dance area....I did make a comment that I wasn't sure if we should be doing that...we stopped only because we were in the dance area and not in a private/play area...It wasn't that I didn't want him to continue what he was doing, I just didn't want it to look bad on the club...alas, we didn't continue in a play area (which I will always regret ) ...but, I still feel good about my comment of not taking things further than we did, where we were at the time.

Having hosted a few off premise socials I know the hassles that the owners of clubs go through....you want your patrons to have a good time but, you also have rules you have to follow and enforce...it's a fine line and one that unless you've had to be the "bad" guy, you really don't understand.


Teresa

[JustAskJulie]

Originally Posted by MIbbwcpl

I've seen on prem activity at an off prem club. Said club was in a hotel's ball room. Honestly, it put me off. I thought it was rather sleazy. These folks had a room, why not go to it instead of screwing around very openly at the tables?

We have a couple of local socials here that meet at the same hotel and we've heard now from at least 2 couples that have attended one of those socials that things tend to get very progressive at this one particular social, so much so that evidently a large group of members from that club have now split off and started their own group because they didn't care for how "open" some were (mention of someone ejaculating on the dancefloor, blowjobs on top of tables, etc).

[MIbbwcpl]

Julie, that is nastay. I don't blame people for splintering off.

What I saw at this club was oral being performed on a woman by another male and female, plus fingering, and bare nipple play. I'm kinda glad we don't live in that area any more.

[Pepper & Drew]

It's all fun and games till there's DNA on the table...

It irritates the fool out of me that people completely lose there minds and act like they can't get carted off to jail. I've been to socials where people were having sex outside in the brightly lit parking lot that faced an interstate. I've been to socials where women were hang out outside the hotel in their underwear. Um, how about we put a sign out front that begs the Bible thumpers to come and shut us down?

If it's an off premise event, I'm not doing on-premise stuff while there. Besides, I don't do free, live shows. That'll cost 3.99 per minute

Pepper

[LikeMinds321]

I'm relieved to read that people feel the way I do about outright sexual activity at off-premise clubs.

We only have off-premise clubs in our area and many have closed over the years for various reasons. One most recently because the hotel kicked them out due to behavior of patrons of the club. When we were newbies I thought I may have been to close-minded and told myself to be more relaxed about seeing such activities, but as MrLM and I got more in the grove of swinging, I realized what I witnessed shouldn't be going on and that my discomfort with it was justified.

The worst part was seeing the club owners breaking their own rules. No wonder the patrons did the same. After finally seeing the owners having sex in the sign-in/food room (across the hall from the party room) which was open to the public hallway of the hotel and watching a family with young children walk by at the time (who didn't look in, thank goodness) I decided I'd not give my business to that club again.

When it takes only a walk upstairs to a private room, or just a drive across the street to another hotel, people can wait a few minutes for sex and get it on once in private.

It is an embarrassment to all swingers when a few swingers can't remember there are rules for off-premise clubs for good reason.

LM