Club owner responsibility?

[darling]

There was a situation at a swingers club where the female half of a couple gave oral to a single female while sporting a coldsore. (the single female even asked about the coldsore and was told it was nothing) The single female has now been diagnosed with Herpes. Many were upset at the club owner because they said he knew the couple had lived a high risk lifestyle and they should have been warned. They also said he should notify everyone that there was a chance of exposure.

My view: The single saw the coldsore and should have used her brain. Everyone in the swinging lifestyle has a high risk lifestyle and protection should always be used regardless. There is a certain amount of risk involved with swinging and the owner can not be held responsible for knowing everyone's health but he should at least attempt to find out who was exposed so that they may seek medical treatment and prevent the spread.

The owner chose to: ban the couple and to bury the rest. What do you think?

[OhioCouple]

Originally posted by darling

The owner chose to: ban the couple and to bury the rest. What do you think?

I am not quite sure what you meant by "bury the rest", but I do think that the single female in question was as responsible for her own actions. Obviously she chose to participate against what should have been her better judgement. For that I place the consequences of her actions soley on herself.

Personally I do not feel the club owners have the responsibilty to seek out members that may have taken part in sexual activity with an infected member based soley on herpes. First off herpes is one of those diseases that isn't truly a life threatening issue unless an outbreak occurs during childbirth, and it may take months for anyone to show a symptom of it. To the best of my knowledge there is Herpes complex I and II and a cold sore on the mouth isn't the same as genital herpes, nor are they transferable.

I don't know the latest updates on herpes so perhaps I am talking out of turn here. But I can say that I remember my youngest brother having cold sores from the age of about five on up. Back then the doctors said that it had something to do with chicken pox and a weakness in the immune system. To this day he gets them when he gets overly stressed and is quickly put to rest with Campho oil. His wife nor his children suffer from it (and I'll assume he kisses her and has sex with her) , so I would have to believe that is pretty true.

I don't believe that the owners should be held responsible for anything that they are not doing of their own accord. Therefore anyone that chooses to entertain sexual relations with others should be aware of the risks involved and take their own preventative measures to insure the safest sex possible in a lifestyle they choose to participate in.

Lori

[imsnowman]

To the best of my knowledge there is Herpes complex I and II and a cold sore on the mouth isn't the same as genital herpes, nor are they transferable.

Either virus can infect either site. check:

The majority of oral herpes cases are caused by HSV-1 and the majority of genital herpes cases are caused by HSV-2; however, both type-1 and type-2 can occur in the genitals, oral area or both.

at:http://www.ashastd.org/hrc/educate.html


I agree that the

single female in question was as responsible for her own actions. Obviously she chose to participate against what should have been her better judgement. For that I place the consequences of her actions soley on herself.

and

I don't believe that the owners should be held responsible for anything that they are not doing of their own accord. Therefore anyone that chooses to entertain sexual relations with others should be aware of the risks involved and take their own preventative measures to insure the safest sex possible in a lifestyle they choose to participate in.

Merry Christmas all.

[JustAskJulie]

Originally posted by darling


My view: The single saw the coldsore and should have used her brain. Everyone in the swinging lifestyle has a high risk lifestyle and protection should always be used regardless. There is a certain amount of risk involved with swinging and the owner can not be held responsible for knowing everyone's health but he should at least attempt to find out who was exposed so that they may seek medical treatment and prevent the spread.

The owner chose to: ban the couple and to bury the rest. What do you think?

I have to agree with you here. It really isn't up to the club owner to look over everyone's shoulder. If someone has a cold sore then that is quite obvious to anyone who comes into contact with them. And it's up to them to say "no thanks" and move on rather than subject themselves to the risk that comes with that cold sore. Oral herpes can cause genital herpes and vice-versa, even tho they are separate viruses.

In a situation like that it is obvious that someone has something, but in most cases it is NOT. A person can actually carry and spread herpes without even knowing they have it (they may never show any symptoms (aka sores) but still may have it and spread it. Herpes is one of the many STD's that can only be tested for if there are visible symptoms.

Sounds like a typical case of people wanting to put the blame on someone else for their own stupidity.

[RnKin Fla]

Originally posted by JustAskJulie
Sounds like a typical case of people wanting to put the blame on someone else for their own stupidity.

Amen, Julie!!!

Since when did club owners become patrons' parents????

Personally, if we are in a situation where there is an obvious problem, such as a coldsore, we don't walk, we RUN the other way!!

[imsnowman]

Runninng might be an unnecesssary exertion. Viruses are notoriously slow sprinters.

[bimrdcpl]

I believe the woman that recieved anything from another person that had obvious signs of not being healthy should be held responsible for her own actions. Just plain and simple. I would never allow Adam to recieve any kind of attention from anyone that had sores anywhere. That may sound possesive but I am thinking of our safety as adults and parents. And he would do the same for me.

And as far as the club owner I dont know exactly what he could of done.
Dawn