On/Off premise clubs

[warkman]

Hey Julie, I've been struggling looking for an off-premise "club" for awhile in the Los Angeles area. Most (if not all) that I have come across on the internet (including perhaps one or two on your list) are in reality, yahoo groups that seem to function (at best) as online individual hookups for folks (seemingly mostly male) who can't construct an intelligent sentence. Or they are used as a vehicle for on-premise clubs to advertise. This is not necessarily my idea of an "off-premise club." Do these qualify? And if not, do you want to know which of these "clubs" seem to be merely yahoo groups or the like?

Is my definition of an off-premise club incorrect? Again like in the "Zoomanity" thread my expectations may not be in alignment with reality. I thought that an off-premise club was an actual physical place (not cyber) run by an actual couple/person with regularly scheduled events (invitation meet and greets) setup by swingers and and attended by same and wannabes (in our case hopefully couples) in a low pressure, non sexual environment. Wannabes might possibly be screened by the organizers by phone for legitamacy. Many people gather and talk face to face about the subject and have the opportunity if they desired, to go play in a different location.
I mean, I could see where a yahoo group site could be used as an organizational tool for such events, but have yet to see any evidence of that in the postings.

[BiloxiCouple]

I feel that an off-premise club is an organized event/party where people meet and then have to leave the premises if they want to party. Also, there are planned socials where people meet at a bar/hotel ballroom or whatever and do the same thing. Meet and leave.

If you are a yahoo group and try to get togethers, then that really doesn't fall into an off-premise club definition. Besides anyone can start a yahoo group and do anything they want. As you stated a physical place and regularly scheduled events is the definition of an off-premise club.

[Tybee Swing]

Originally Posted by warkman

Is my definition of an off-premise club incorrect? Again like in the "Zoomanity" thread my expectations may not be in alignment with reality. I thought that an off-premise club was an actual physical place (not cyber) run by an actual couple/person with regularly scheduled events (invitation meet and greets) setup by swingers and and attended by same and wannabes (in our case hopefully couples) in a low pressure, non sexual environment. Wannabes might possibly be screened by the organizers by phone for legitamacy. Many people gather and talk face to face about the subject and have the opportunity if they desired, to go play in a different location.
I mean, I could see where a yahoo group site could be used as an organizational tool for such events, but have yet to see any evidence of that in the postings.

We used to run a group just like that. The Yahoo Group we had was a place for local people to search and find us, and join. Members of the Yahoo Group would have access to the date/time/location of our meet-and-greet, which we held about monthly. We'd put the dates in the group calendar and promoted the events, too. It worked out well.

[SA_Cpl]

Your search for a true "off-premise" club may be influenced by your location. Where we live, Texas, true on-premise clubs are illegal. Therefore, off-premise clubs are more of the norm. Where on-premise is legal they tend to be the norm. We've lived in other parts of the country where there wasn't a sufficient density of lifestyle couples to support any sort of club. In these areas, yahoo groups that held meet & greets, socials, and hotel parties were more of the norm. We started and ran a monthly meet and greet in a small city where we lived.

[JustAskJulie]

yes, if there are listings in the club listings that do not appear to be what they claim to be (whether it's a yahoo group posing as an actual club or what used to be a club that has been replaced by something else) please let me know.(Either via email or post it in the "report dead clubs" thread. I do try to get through the listings on a regular basis and clean them up but it's a big job, so I do rely on you guys to report things as you see them, as well.

As for Yahoo groups in general, I know of several clubs that use a Yahoo Group as their web presence and there's nothing wrong with that. What I use as criteria when I list them is to look at the group for signs that they do schedule regular events. Sometimes when they initially set the group up that may be the plan, and it may fall apart. It seems that a lot of clubs (on and off premise) use the Yahoo Groups as their source for a web presence just because it's easy and free.

[Tybee Swing]

Originally Posted by warkman

I thought that an off-premise club was an actual physical place (not cyber) run by an actual couple/person with regularly scheduled events (invitation meet and greets) setup by swingers and and attended by same and wannabes (in our case hopefully couples) in a low pressure, non sexual environment. Wannabes might possibly be screened by the organizers by phone for legitamacy. Many people gather and talk face to face about the subject and have the opportunity if they desired, to go play in a different location.

I know of real physical location (permanent location) off-premise clubs in Jacksonville, FL. They're not screened as you said above, those are run like a business, and the goal is to draw in members. The exception is single males; in the primary club I'm thinking of, they're allowed if escorted in by a lady or a couple, and they're expected not to roam (they're supposed to be with the one(s) they came in with). There's a fee at the door to cover expenses of course, because they have to rent the facility, provide games/ice breakers, a dj, and a bartender. The host of the event makes a living at this, and they host there every Friday and Saturday night. Things may get pretty risque in there, but it's definitely off-premise, and that's due to the local ordinances. On-premise is illegal there. I know that if it were legal, they'd turn it into on-premise. So, maybe the cities with stricter laws are the ones more likely to have more "serious", organized off-premise clubs?

Some of the groups of people who just connect on the 'net and set up a scheduled meet-and-greet at a local bar/club, where their presence is supposed to be discreet, can be fairly well organized. It just depends on who's doing it and how much they put into it. These are probably most common in towns like we live in, where there are no other swing clubs, on or off-premise, within 150 miles or more. The quoted paragraph above seems to define more what these groups are like, moreso than the off-premise clubs. To me, the business-based "real location" off-premise clubs are a lot more like the on-premise clubs, just without the sex rooms to go directly to. You can cut loose in a real off-premise club, because everyone in the room is a swinger (or wants to be) and you don't have to be discreet.

[She_n_Jaybee]

There used to be a group that met at a bar I believe in Anaheim on a weekly basis. If I remember correctly, it was an AOL group. I don't think it was strictly swingers, but from the reports I received, many of the regulars were swingers. I can't recall the name of the bar they met at, or even what night of the week, just that it was supposedly a very well attended affair. That might stir someone's memory enough to find out more info and if that group still exists.

[bimickie26]

Try http://www.lacouples.com/ its huge you will need to contact them to get an invite