creampie???

[redchicago]

My husband and I our pretty picky about who we play with. We have two couples that we see every couple of weeks.

Recently our group has talked about not using condoms since we all just play with each other. We have all been STD tested in the last year and our negative.

Also the ladies are fixed our in my case on the pill

I don't like condoms put we have always played with them. I love the feel of a man exploding inside me and feeling the warmth pour out after.

I have two questions our thoughts.

1. Are there any dangers Im missing?

2. Are there any couples that do this already out there, and is it worth it?



Thanks,


Amy

[Tightwad]

I don't know if its worth it , but i do agree that sex without a condom has seemed to become more exciting. We are only active with one couple that we have each known for 14 years. My wife has experiences only with the other female and not actually swapped male to female yet. We talk about it but not acted on our desires yet.

[thump29]

It is my opinion it isnt worth the risk although I do think sex is so much better without the condom. I would rather be safe than sorry in this case and not have to worry. We had one couple that we played with only that we had known for 8 years, and we still used a condom just to be on the safe side.

[Vjklander]

We use condoms with all new contacts, buut will go bareback with people we know and trust. There is a totally different feel to going without them. Also, since I tend to play with my partner, I may go through several cycles of hard and soft. This just won't work with condoms. We have one Male who loves to eat out Mrs Vjk after I fill her pussy, a real creampie afficionado. We are quite willing to indulge his fetish.
J

[lovers]

We will go bareback with couples we know and trust (which to date number 2) and wear condoms with new contacts.

Frankly, we both prefer going bareback. It's more of a rush.

[outofcontrol]

what a dumb thread. Are their risk..LOL hell yeah. Chances are you will encounter a disease if you keep it up. testing once a year is not enough, taking a couples word for it to is not enough. Prositutes in vegas get tested every week and that still does not guarantee anything as HIV can hide for months and not be detected. Im surprised reading these threads on how many swingers actually believe that chances of getting a disease is slim or you cant at all from sex...lol

[Lorrie]

I only get creampies from my Primary Lover. YES, it's worth it; IMO, a person should get a creampie from at least one guy!

All other guys in my life wears condoms.

[lcjtsd]

My wife will not suck on a condom covered penis.

To be honest, I've read quite a few posts where the woman will suck a guy with no rubber yet insist that he put one on before he puts it in her. Sounds crazy to us. If you feel that the guy has something you don't want then you should have him cover it up even for oral.

We don't insist on condoms although if he wanted to we would not talk him out of it. Besides, I love sloppy seconds!

[Lorrie]

Originally posted by lcjtsd
My wife will not suck on a condom covered penis.

To be honest, I've read quite a few posts where the woman will suck a guy with no rubber yet insist that he put one on before he puts it in her. Sounds crazy to us. If you feel that the guy has something you don't want then you should have him cover it up even for oral.

We don't insist on condoms although if he wanted to we would not talk him out of it. Besides, I love sloppy seconds!

You are referring to all or nothing. Most people find a happy middle, thus lessening the odds of getting STDs.

[highlander]

I would look at the studies on HIV prevalence among prositutes in Nevada. The last one I saw said the HIV risk there was pretty low.

I think you also need to do some math here.

Is there risk? Sure. Still, I'm not ready to say that someone who consistency uses tests with partners they go bareback with and swings occaisionally with condoms is at a high risk for disease compared to folks that take their partner's word they are monogamous.

When I look at the math, tests as imperfect as they are, lower the odds of transmission quite a bit. The reason? A significant fraction of folks show antibodies to HIV within a few weeks of infection--and the odds of getting HIV from any single encounter with an HIV+ partner is something like 1/1000. That means that if you consistency test say every 3 months, then the odds of transmission before the infection shows up in a test is less than 3%(even if you were having sex with that person twice a month). Other diseases are a lot more contagious-but they show up in tests a lot sooner.

Basically, by using tests, you remove your chances of exposure to over 95% of the HIV+ folks _and_ the odds transmission from the folks that are infected but not HIV yet are pretty small.

If you consistently choose partners that in term get their partners tested, the odds improve even more.

Originally posted by outofcontrol
what a dumb thread. Are their risk..LOL hell yeah. Chances are you will encounter a disease if you keep it up. testing once a year is not enough, taking a couples word for it to is not enough. Prositutes in vegas get tested every week and that still does not guarantee anything as HIV can hide for months and not be detected. Im surprised reading these threads on how many swingers actually believe that chances of getting a disease is slim or you cant at all from sex...lol

[BettyAnnMBSC]

what a dumb thread. Are their risk..LOL hell yeah.

1) I was told often when I was younger that "there is no such thing as a dumb question" or "the only dumb question is the one not asked" ...

2) There are risks inherent in any activity at all. Many people die each year as a result of showering. [falls while showering are on the increase...] and yet, we don't say that showering is dumb. Thousands die as a result of driving an automobile and we continue to engage in that risky behavior as well (and do so very fast with no seat belt on)

We each must evaluate risks and them elect whether we are prepared to assume that risk. Part of evaluating risks is collecting information -- in a manner for example that the OP has begun here. To say that this is a "dumb thread" is then, in my opinion, not a very intelligent (or helpful) comment.

Chances are you will encounter a disease if you keep it up.

Chances are, we will each encounter some disease before we die. It may be viral or bacterial or congenital but the chances are great that we will each be exposed to something from somewhere. I understand that there is a pretty virulent (sp) strain of the flu going around right now.

Im surprised reading these threads on how many swingers actually believe that chances of getting a disease is slim or you cant at all from sex...

Why? Isn't participating in the lifestyle a socially risky behavior to begin with? The question is, is it any more or less risky to engage in that behavior with or without a condom? Some argue that using a condom instils a false sense of security which increases risky behavior. Others argue that disease transmission is only minimized by the use of condoms and not negated entirely.

[QOUTE]Prositutes in vegas get tested every week [/quote]

BTW -- Isn't prostitution illegal inside the city of Las Vegas? Why would sex workers already engaging in illegal activity care if they get tested every week? Legal Nevada working girls are tested once per month for HIV... Latex condom use is required by law. One study I read said this... "To date, no actively working legal brothel prostitute has ever tested HIV positive." {The Body, 1996}

The research I've read has indicated that prostitutes ARE at higher risk of contracting STD but not because of the sex acts they perform but by virtue of the number of partners. Reality is that any person having sex with 20-30 (or more) distinct partners EVERY week will be exposed to more opportunities for infection -- That IS NOT the same as what the OP asked though -- this thread wasn't about indiscriminate partnering with 20-30 people per week. We have apples vs oranges here.....

So, I say that the only dumb question is the one not asked and the only dumb answer is the one that prevents further questions from being asked. Is it a "dumb thread"? nahhhhh.

[Chris&Amelia]

Originally posted by BettyAnnMBSC
Thousands die as a result of driving an automobile and we continue to engage in that risky behavior as well (and do so very fast with no seat belt on)

Speak for yourself! I've seen the end result of this particular practice (i.e. "Road Salsa"), and we wear our seat belts religiously!

[Lorrie]

I believe she meant generally speaking people drive fast without wearing seatbelts.

[bccpl77]

Originally posted by BettyAnnMBSC
Why? Isn't participating in the lifestyle a socially risky behavior to begin with? The question is, is it any more or less risky to engage in that behavior with or without a condom? Some argue that using a condom instils a false sense of security which increases risky behavior. Others argue that disease transmission is only minimized by the use of condoms and not negated entirely.

This is absolutely true. We had the unfortunate incident of a condom breaking last weekend. At least it was the one worn by the other male who is snipped and Ang is on birth control, so pregnancy is not an issue. If it had been the other way around it would have just added another thing to worry about.

Rusty

[Alura]

So, I say that the only dumb question is the one not asked and the only dumb answer is the one that prevents further questions from being asked. Is it a "dumb thread"? nahhhhh.

Hooray for Betty Ann! If there is one thing I'd like to change on this board, it is the posting of remarks that essentially say, "You're stupid for having said that."

Mr. Alura