creampie???

[Alura]

Originally posted by redchicago
My husband and I our pretty picky about who we play with. We have two couples that we see every couple of weeks.

Recently our group has talked about not using condoms since we all just play with each other. We have all been STD tested in the last year and our negative.

Also the ladies are fixed our in my case on the pill

Are there any couples that do this already out there, and is it worth it?

Thanks,

Amy

In my opinion, Amy, if none of the playmates have an STD, and if none of the women are at risk of getting pregnant, and if noone plays outside the group, there is no chance of getting an STD and, therefore, no reason to use condoms.

All y'all must use your own judgement in making this decision, and it must be unanimous. If any one couple wants to play outside the group, it's a whole new situation.

We've never used condoms but our playmates have always been couples who had been married many years and had not had outside experiences. Of course, they could have been lieing but our gut instincts told us they weren't.

If we felt there was a need for condoms because a couple posed a risk for STDs, we'd not play with them, condoms or not. If we felt a couple posed no risk but they wanted us to use condoms, we would.

Mr. Alura

[Karina]

HIV is not the only STD which is life-threatening. I didn't see HPV or hepatitis mentioned. There really is not test for HPV, and there is no test for herpes.

You have to trust the person you are with is honest enough to share this information with you (and not desperate enough to want to have sex with you because then they'll probably lie to you if they think you'll reject them).

You also have to trust that the person you are with is SMART enough to KNOW they have an STD. I've met some people who do not know you can transmit oral herpes (aka: fever blisters) to the genitals via oral sex, thus having a life-long problem of genital herpes.

Of course like all of life's choices, each person must weigh their options with the risks.

[highlander]

I think your point about the difference in risk between a typical swinger and a prostitute is a very good one.

There are a couple of other considerations here:
a prostitute in San Francisco or New York is at a rather different level of risk than a prositute in Nevada or Alaska--it isn't just the number of partners, but the pool from which the partner is chosen. Also, there are other mitigating factors. A high proportion of prostitutes in many urban areas are also IV drug users--and the risk of HIV/hepatitis from IV drug use(i.e. dirty needles) swamps their risk from their sexual activities.

The thing about HIV that is tricky: that disease is relatively hard to get, so it usually takes repeated exposure to become infected(albeit, infection is easier via anal sex). Diseases like Chlamydia are much more related to the number of partners one has--
because a single exposure is much more likely to result in transmission.

Originally posted by BettyAnnMBSC

The research I've read has indicated that prostitutes ARE at higher risk of contracting STD but not because of the sex acts they perform but by virtue of the number of partners. Reality is that any person having sex with 20-30 (or more) distinct partners EVERY week will be exposed to more opportunities for infection -- That IS NOT the same as what the OP asked though -- this thread wasn't about indiscriminate partnering with 20-30 people per week. We have apples vs oranges here.....
[/b]

[BettyAnnMBSC]

the risk of HIV/hepatitis from IV drug use(i.e. dirty needles) swamps their risk from their sexual activities.

There is some research which shows (though with some doubt) that this is in fact the primary method of transimission. When illicit use is coupled with medical IV procedures the risk is staggering.

Some researchers are compelled to think that there is more to HIV transmission than simple sexual transmission. This because there are countless cases of married relationships wherein one partner is HIV+ while the other is not -- and, there has been sexual interaction without precaution.

That said, I don't personally believe that it is so simple as whether HIV is an STD -- this is one complicated transmission model that is not yet understood.

Then, is it safer to use a condom or not -- probably so! But then, we engage in risky behavior everyday... some more risky than others....

[Lorrie]

Originally posted by BettyAnnMBSC
Some researchers are compelled to think that there is more to HIV transmission than simple sexual transmission. This because there are countless cases of married relationships wherein one partner is HIV+ while the other is not -- and, there has been sexual interaction without precaution.

That said, I don't personally believe that it is so simple as whether HIV is an STD -- this is one complicated transmission model that is not yet understood.

I've always had my doubts on every "disease" imaginable. Coming from a very strong nutritional, alternative healing background, I think it's FAR MORE about each individual's immune system and how healthy a person is. Some diseases are just so powerful....IMO, a person must have an immaculate healthy system/body to not get diseases, or not die from them. That would require a perfect eating/exercise regimen. Becoming a real narcissist! Muscular, cardiovascular, skeletal exercises, plus an optimum diet....Few people have the time and emotional energy to do this and keep this up for a lifetime!

The big questions are though: How healthy are you to combat against dieases? How do you know when you are healthy enough?? So it's all a gamble....

[BettyAnnMBSC]

How healthy are you to combat against dieases? How do you know when you are healthy enough??

I have other questions too...

For example -- what effect on your immune system does taking that medicine doc rx'd for you have on your ability to fight other conditions.

Now, I'm not saying we should all avoid traditional medicine but....

Have you ever noticed, that when your car is running fine and you go get a tune-up, all of a sudden it needs major repairs in the next few months....?

Have you ever noticed that some people are never sick a day -- until they go to doc for that cold/flu -- then all of a sudden they start getting sick all the time.

Well, just two thoughts I was having about the similarity between automobile repair and the care of physicians... Of course, if you are sick -- go to the doctor! But pay attention to what you're taking.... It's perfectly acceptable to say "doc, I don't really like the risks of sexual side effects that this medication presents..." to which he will generally reply "well, you know we could try this less risky drug over here..."

What good does it do you if you take a med to kill your cold if that same med reduces your ability to fight pneumonia.

[FloridaTagTeam]

I love making creampies now i've mostly done it only with my wife.but have with others as had she we know there are risks but to live this lifestyle there is gonna be wether you use a protection or not.There are no guarantees.

[MrYaWanna]

Wow!!

Sorry, no raincoat no playing with my spouse!! I would never think to swing without a condom. Can't be done. We all have enough to worry about without adding that to the list. You can quote all the statistics you want, good or bad. They are just numbers. Maybe we are anal. We just don't do it!

Creampies? Love em. But only with my Baby

[Lorrie]

Originally posted by MrYaWanna
Wow!!

Sorry, no raincoat no playing with my spouse!! I would never think to swing without a condom. Can't be done. We all have enough to worry about without adding that to the list. You can quote all the statistics you want, good or bad. They are just numbers. Maybe we are anal. We just don't do it!

Creampies? Love em. But only with my Baby

If you are THAT concerned, I'm surprised you swing at all. Condoms do break, and that will most likely happen at least a few times if you swing regularly.

There used to be a term out called something like "Condom Babies"; people who used condoms but still the women got in contact with the guys' semen, and the women got pregnant.

I'm concerned about it too, hence the reason why I don't swing. But that's not the main reason I don't swing; I just rather have sex with friends.

[FloridaTagTeam]

That's why i said that there are no guarantees.There is no fool proof way other than abstainance and what fun is that?

[Lorrie]

Originally posted by FloridaTagTeam
That's why i said that there are no guarantees.There is no fool proof way other than abstainance and what fun is that?

No fun at all.

Actually, abstinence is unhealthy--psychologically and physically. There's even a higher risk of getting cancer for women who don't ever have a baby in their life. Such is nature.

[SluttyWife]

Ooooh...I looove the creampie...and ONLY from my Mikey.

Yes, I am taking a chance at trusting that he is monogamous.
But we literally are together 24/7 so I'm 100% certain about this...(Well unless he has something going with the ducks in the lake..) From sunup to sundown!

For the rest of you, I hate to say this...but how
can you say you TRUST a couple lest you forget your committed partner (who statistics say has a 50/50 chance on straying) you have gotten to know?

Are you trusting that they do not play with other couples?
Are you trusting that they practice the same standards of safe sex as you do?

I almost got into this situtation with a woman I met locally.
I'm so happy and relieved that I didn't go there (have sex)
with her. We are now just friends and it was no news to me to learn that they are very sexually active with many, many other couples and their definition of safe sex is not mine.

Think on that.

As to the "how to have your creampie and eat it too...." aspect
get your darling hubby to go an extra round or two with you.
Pretty easy when you're sharing the sex with others.

Heavenly! Better go wake him up from his nap now!

Love and licks ;-*

Slutty Wife

[Lorrie]

Originally posted by SluttyWife


Yes, I am taking a chance at trusting that he is monogamous.

Monogamous about making creampies? Because in your profile your interest is "group sex," unless you do group sex, but hubby doesn't.

[BiloxiCouple]

Actually, abstinence is unhealthy--psychologically and physically. There's even a higher risk of getting cancer for women who don't ever have a baby in their life. Such is nature

Now if we can convince certain religions of this......................................soapbox

[Lorrie]

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by SluttyWife


Yes, I am taking a chance at trusting that he is monogamous.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Originally posted by Lorrie
Monogamous about making creampies? Because in your profile your interest is "group sex," unless you do group sex, but hubby doesn't.

No response? OK.