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STD/Safe Sex Questions regarding STD's and safe sex (protection from STD's).

View Poll Results: Do you use condoms when you swing?
Yes, I always use a condom 92 40.35%
No, I refuse to use a condom and I am over 45yo 10 4.39%
No, I refuse to use a condom and I am under 45yo 9 3.95%
I go bareback only within our close circle of friends 82 35.96%
I will use a condom but only if the woman insists 35 15.35%
Voters: 228. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-27-2003, 04:48 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Thanks guys! I will definitely check that out. I have enough worry about cancer, now condoms are causing it...go figure!
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Old 06-04-2003, 01:41 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Well me and my wife I don't know maybe we not swingers. We partake in sex with other men. Have several times. Not like it's everyday thing. Presently has been almost 10 months. lol definatly due to she her get a hard cock soon. Having withdrawls lol If the man was to wear a rubber, honestly there would be little reason to have her fuck him. I mean thats the main attraction for us both. To have her enjoy feeling his hot load shoot deep in side her. Being togather afterwords with her pussy full of hopefully very thick creamy cum from another man is a definate high light. We spend very intimate moments togather as we share the guys cum togather. I especially love sloppy secounds. And then to shoot my load in her giving her what i refer to as a double load is wonderful. I think our sex life would die if we had to never get anothers cum inside her. And as much as she loves to suck another guy off in front of me, I love to see that too. wow big time very very intimate to see and have her swallow. That could replace the load in her for a while but after time we would want it insde her again. Just adicted to it I think.

Yes yes I know what many will say we take our life in our own hands and the reality of it is thats very true. But the rewards we get are well worth the risk that we feel is percentage wise for us rather small. Been lucky this long just hope our luck holds out and when it don't that we so old were ready to check out.
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Dear Lostinvcp


A VERY colorful argument for not using condoms. I agree that a condom makes sex sterile, but I don't think this is as important reason for avoiding them as the health risk they represent.

You are not increasing your std risk (from any serios disease) by not using them and are avoiding the chance of cancers and LIDS.

The increased pleasure is nothing more than a welcome bonus but alone would not be a valid reason.

You have made the right choice but possibly for the wrong reasons....but then again what does that really matter?


It is hard to improve on nature.

Love without fear.

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Old 06-06-2003, 03:12 AM   #34 (permalink)
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NEW ARTICLE: -

Massachusetts News

Condoms Don’t Work
Epidemic of sexual diseases; media strangely silent

By Yvette C. Cantu and Heather E. Farish

January 5--The United States has the highest rate of sexual disease in the developed world, and a higher rate than some developing countries.

Human papillomavirus is the most common incurable sexual disease in the United States, with as many as 24 million Americans currently infected. Known as HPV, the virus has been linked to over 90 percent of all invasive cervical cancers, and it is the number two cause of cancer deaths among women, after breast cancer. Approximately 16,000 new cases of cervical cancer are diagnosed each year, and 5,000 women die annually from this disease.

Even if condoms are used consistently and properly (which occurs only between 5 and 40% of the time), they still are ineffective barriers against disease. Condoms, whether used correctly and consistently or not, do not prevent the spread of HPV.

However, federally-funded, sexual health organizations and the Centers for Disease Control continue to promote condoms as effective disease barriers.
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Old 06-06-2003, 10:26 AM   #35 (permalink)
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I think it's safe to say, after reading the complete article and not just the first 3.2 paragraphs that it was a misprint and meant to read:

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Even if condoms are used consistently and properly (which occurs only between 5 and 40% of the time), they still are ineffective barriers against THE disease. Condoms, whether used correctly and consistently or not, do not prevent the spread of HPV.
I believe it stated that this was because HPV covers the entire genital region, including those not covered by a condom such as the scrotum, etc and is spread by skin-to-skin contact. Makes sense.. Hard to protect against something the condom doesn't have any contact with! I believe HPV was the only STD specifically mentioned in the article by doctors and the paper as not being effectively protected against by the use of condoms. In fact, there were many parts of the article you overlooked supporting condom use. Such as:

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"Studies have shown condom use can lower the risk of acquiring HPV infection. … For these reasons, condoms should play an important part in any new or non-monogamous sexual relationship."
-American Social Health Association

"Can condoms protect me from HPV? Condoms do not give complete protection against HPV because they do not cover all genital skin. But with a new partner, condoms are useful to protect both of you from most other disease. Many people are shocked or upset when they find out they have HPV. But HPV does not have to mean a big change in your life. The most important step is to get help by talking with your health care provider, getting a yearly Pap test [sic], and taking care of yourself."
-American Social Health Association
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"Condoms are … up to 99.9 percent effective in reducing the risk of disease transmission when combined with spermicide."
-Sexuality Information and Education Council of the United States
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"When used consistently and correctly, latex condoms are very effective in preventing a variety of diseases, including HIV infection. Multiple studies have demonstrated a strong protective effect of condom use. …"
-CDC
etc etc.... Oh, but here you go Paul, I also found an admission for you in the article:

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"Even when used correctly, condoms aren’t perfect," CDC acknowledges, comparing them to other important safety enhancing behaviors like wearing seatbelts and bicycle helmets. "Imperfect as they are, condoms can significantly reduce the rates of unintended pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases."
Just wanted to let everyone know what the other 91% of the article said. But hell, what do I know... I'm not an expert in anything

The Massachusetts News - January 5, 2000 (digging back deep into the archives eh Polly? )
http://www.massachusettsnews.com/pas...Jan/condon.htm
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Wearing seatbelts and bicycle helmets cause cancer. Stop wearing them now!
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Uh oh! (hehe) Thanks for the heads up!
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I am scared shitless of my airbag. I saw what happened to a client once. She stopped quickly and lightly bumped a post sliding on ice. The airbag caused her face to bruise like she just had sex with Tyson. Ah who knows huh?

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Dear fsuguy69,

You will have no difficulty finding statements (mainly quoting the CDC) that condoms work. What you will NOT find is any of the 130 odd studies on the subject that support those statements.

Find those and I will listen.


Very best wishes,

Paul


"The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, part of the National Institutes of Health, released the report compiled by the panel of 28 experts, who analyzed about 138 published studies on the use of condoms during penile-vaginal intercourse.

"There was a lack of evidence to help us make a definitive conclusion about the effectiveness of condoms," said panel member Dr. Timothy Schacker, an infectious disease expert at the University of Minnesota"


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Remember that the NIH is at the forefront of promoting condom use along with the CDC.

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Actually Paul, I wasn't intending and don't intend to look up any articles or any type of research or study on condoms whether it be their effectiveness or if they will give me cancer. I was merely commenting on the article you yourself supplied.

Personally, I don't care if condoms could possibly give me cancer. Hell, so will the sun but I don't stay indoors. Driving could mangle me beyond recognition...the airbag alone could snap my neck and bruise my face. Second hand cigarette smoke will give me lung cancer, but I still go out clubbing and to bars.

What I can do is apply sunblock before sunbathing for the sun or move to the other side of the club. Likewise, for STD's I can put on a condom. Do any of those methods really work or do anything? Maybe so...maybe not... doesn't matter. But it does give me peace of mind and that is good enough for me.

But, that being said....there are always people out there who I guess care more about me and my wellbeing than myself. And on the issue of latex-induced cancer, that would be you. So thanks man! Good job looking out.
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Maybe if we just used a rubber half the time huh?
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"And on the issue of latex-induced cancer, that would be you."

Charm will always help change minds. I am almost seduced by your words into agreement.
Almost!


Very best wishes,

Paul (your sincere cancer)
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To use charm as an issue is rather repugnant. I think that if you really think about it that was unfair.

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Don't you think that calling me 'a cancer' was just a tad rude?

Perhaps I am being too touchy. you tell me.

Very best wishes,

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Don't you think that calling me 'a cancer' was just a tad rude?

Perhaps I am being too touchy. you tell me.

Very best wishes,

Paul
Yeah, I completely misread that...sry Paul. I think I'd better go take a nap now.

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