I have just finished the largest study on swinging, STDs, and Safe Sex.

[drziggy]

I guess you failed to see the irony and the humor of the profile. I guess that your response herein shows that somehow you felt slighted by what you call "... actually an affront on so many levels ...Most of your rants focus around judgmental people, do you not see the hypocrisy in your own rants...".
Actually, the idea was to point out the judgments that people often make regarding others. So, if the profile offends you, you must ask yourself why...
You suggest that I
"...take terms and generalize them to make other people sound ignorant but you overlook the obvious points to the terms themselves or maybe it's just that your European background you reference with your "wider perspective" prevents yall from actually getting the point by us paranoid Americans..."

My point is that so many people get stuck in a world of their own making that they fail to realize that there is a much bigger world out there that may not share their narrow minded ideas of race, class, and paranoia (your term).
Anyone that can't have a good laugh at their own expense is stuck in a world of tunnel-vision. No, I didn't mean to imply stupidity in others because they say "yall" or enjoy NASCAR.
However, as a couple we have the right to chose those with whom we may play, and it is only fair that people know beforehand where we're coming from, if that is perceived as arrogance, be it.
Sometimes ignorance is bliss, indeed.
Cheers!

[The Fuse]

Originally Posted by drziggy

I guess you failed to see the irony and the humor of the profile.

I read the profile. In my opinion, the humor and irony are difficult to find. I realize my opinion may be worth to you more or less what you are paying for it.

Having said that, I would be pleased to see the results of your study here.

[Chicup]

Originally Posted by drziggy

I guess you failed to see the irony and the humor of the profile. I guess that your response herein shows that somehow you felt slighted by what you call "... actually an affront on so many levels ...Most of your rants focus around judgmental people, do you not see the hypocrisy in your own rants...".
Actually, the idea was to point out the judgments that people often make regarding others. So, if the profile offends you, you must ask yourself why...
You suggest that I
"...take terms and generalize them to make other people sound ignorant but you overlook the obvious points to the terms themselves or maybe it's just that your European background you reference with your "wider perspective" prevents yall from actually getting the point by us paranoid Americans..."

My point is that so many people get stuck in a world of their own making that they fail to realize that there is a much bigger world out there that may not share their narrow minded ideas of race, class, and paranoia (your term).
Anyone that can't have a good laugh at their own expense is stuck in a world of tunnel-vision. No, I didn't mean to imply stupidity in others because they say "yall" or enjoy NASCAR.
However, as a couple we have the right to chose those with whom we may play, and it is only fair that people know beforehand where we're coming from, if that is perceived as arrogance, be it.
Sometimes ignorance is bliss, indeed.
Cheers!

Actually I did get your humor and irony in your profile, can't say I SHARED all of it but I did see it

[sweet_tna]

Originally Posted by drziggy

I guess you failed to see the irony and the humor of the profile.
Anyone that can't have a good laugh at their own expense is stuck in a world of tunnel-vision. No, I didn't mean to imply stupidity in others because they say "yall" or enjoy NASCAR.
However, as a couple we have the right to chose those with whom we may play, and it is only fair that people know beforehand where we're coming from, if that is perceived as arrogance, be it.
Sometimes ignorance is bliss, indeed.
Cheers!

Can't speak for the others, but I was poking fun at myself in my response. And I happen to agree with Chicup on this one . . . that while listing negatives is typically frowned upon in a profile, at least ya'll are specific about what you do and don't like (which, ironically, is the point of creating a profile).

So let's see what conclusions this study of yours reveals . . .

=)

[DigginIt]

Originally Posted by drziggy

I guess you failed to see the irony and the humor of the profile.

Actually, I did see the humor in most of the profile. It had it's quality moments up until the "Pet Peeves and Rants" and that is where I felt that your profile lost all sense of any humor.

Originally Posted by drziggy

Actually, the idea was to point out the judgments that people often make regarding others.

Again, your "Pet Peeves and Rants" come across as "okay, funny time over, here is what we don't like" and therefore it's taken at face value as stated in my point above. It is obvious that I'm not the only one that didn't get it either. Had it just been me then I would have done exactly as you suggest which is to have "asked myself why" but clearly that isn't the case.

Originally Posted by drziggy

My point is that so many people get stuck in a world of their own making that they fail to realize that there is a much bigger world out there that may not share their narrow minded ideas of race, class, and paranoia (your term).

If by believing I feel a persecutory attitude towards my way of thinking after reading your post then most definitely, paranoia, is the best descriptive word of what I feel is your view or perception of those of us that fail to fit into your ideal of a broader and more open minded way of thinking.

Originally Posted by drziggy

Sometimes ignorance is bliss, indeed.
Cheers!

The point is that I did feel very slighted after reading the post. In a world where you wish for everyone to be less narrow minded, one would think that you would want to take an approach of setting the example versus poking fun.

After your response, I sincerely do not feel that you were intentionally trying to wage your own little assault on those of us that actually like NASCAR and have a regard for terms like yonder and y'all because they remind us of a world where everything isn't so busy that we can't remember to be polite to one another.

I would suggest that if it doesn't bother you what I think than keep things exactly the way they are. Then again, being less narrow minded as you truly claim to be, maybe it might allow you to afford some respect for a political candidate even if you don't share their views because thats what makes our country so great. You can think and/or believe any way you wish.

[socolais]

How did this thread drift into an unsolicited profile review?

[DigginIt]

<raise hand> totally my fault. Nothing else to talk about on this thread yet so I'm filling in the gap.

[cplnuswing]

Let's get this one back on topic. If someone has issues with another member, take it to PM, an open forum isn't the place for that.

Also, a friendly reminder since we seem to be heading in that direction, there is a zero tolerance policy for posts that have anything to do with politics.

[CXXC]

Originally Posted by cplnuswing

Let's get this one back on topic. If someone has issues with another member, take it to PM, an open forum isn't the place for that.

Also, a friendly reminder since we seem to be heading in that direction, there is a zero tolerance policy for posts that have anything to do with politics.

Not guilty your honor! Whew! And I didnt even nibble!

So, is there any specific time frame we are looking at to see this informaiton Dr. Z?

[Chicup]

Originally Posted by cplnuswing

Let's get this one back on topic. If someone has issues with another member, take it to PM, an open forum isn't the place for that.

Also, a friendly reminder since we seem to be heading in that direction, there is a zero tolerance policy for posts that have anything to do with politics.

Well that was a bit late

[xxxboxy]

I must be unusually obtuse tonight 'cause I'm not seeing it...

[DigginIt]

Well, I thought I put that in a frame of reference that really didn't intentionally mean to talk about politics but just made a statement that we should respect ANYONE views so I apologize.

I will say that as far as being on track. We are in a post that states someone has compiled a large study on swinging (DrZiggy). My thoughts therefore are, what are the credentials of the person publishing this article? That makes their profile very relevant. If I'm a dentist and I publish an article on behavioral health...I think you see where I'm going in this very crude example.

In their profile, it's clearly stated their views on what constitutes a swinger is vastly different than the majority on this site. If a large percentage of the data is compiled using people who are typically shunned by the community or the persons views are in steep contrast than those in the lifestyle, by what measure can you accept the validity of that data being presented as true and representative of the community they are pertaining?

[CXXC]

Originally Posted by DigginIt

I will say that as far as being on track. We are in a post that states someone has compiled a large study on swinging (DrZiggy). My thoughts therefore are, what are the credentials of the person publishing this article? That makes their profile very relevant. If I'm a dentist and I publish an article on behavioral health...I think you see where I'm going in this very crude example.

In their profile, it's clearly stated their views on what constitutes a swinger is vastly different than the majority on this site. If a large percentage of the data is compiled using people who are typically shunned by the community or the persons views are in steep contrast than those in the lifestyle, by what measure can you accept the validity of that data being presented as true and representative of the community they are pertaining?

Digginit
You do have a point. The study (as are all studies) is suspect based upon the matrix and rubrics one uses to define a particular group. While many individuals find it difficult to accept any label what-so-ever within the lifestyle, how can one study determine, with any form of accuracy, the totals and figures necessary to be a worthwhile abstract?

Include the observers personal views on the subjects in the control and you have an even more skewed outcome in the statistics. We are not talking about static objects here. This study is based upon a fluid model of human sexuality.

However, without the study before us, we are unable to agree with or against the findings. This is all conjecture on our part, based upon the personal views of the individual conducting the study. His interpretation of the data will either stand up to contest or fall under scrutiny.

Again, we don’t have the study, so are simply unable to agree or disagree at this time. Dr. Ziggy's personal views on the community as a whole or in part are not a concern at this time. They are only suspect and in that view, may prejudice the findings. We will have to wait and see.

[DigginIt]

Very good points CXXC and I just can't explain why I let this get under my skin.

I think I'm pretty open and sincere on almost every post I participate in.

DrZiggy absolutely has the rights to think, act or feel any way he wishes. This was not the appropriate format.

To DrZiggy and anyone that may have been put off by my responses to the thread - I do sincerely apologize.

[drziggy]

Here's the raw data of the study. The results were presneted at the international congress of SSSS in Mexico last month.
The results do not include the statistical analysis and consequent evaluation or discussion.
Albeit this is based on s self-selected sample of swingers, we feel that it does reflect, overall, the estimated incidence and prevalence of STIs amongst the swinging population.
No study on swinging will derive a true randomized sample for the obvious reasons. The best we can do is to continue to publish studies that utilize samples of convenience and continue to extrapolate the results to the larger swinging population.
It is important to hold on the technical criticism and appreciate the contribution of what we have right now, which is better than what we had before, nothing....