Oral Sex (Soft Swinging) - Fun way to start

[ross_sally]

I guess we are headed to trying "soft" swinging.

Drinks, dancing, then maybe .........
She sucks a cock for 15 minutes, I tongue a wet pussy for 15 minutes, she gets her pussy licked and fingered for 15 minutes, I get my cock rubbed, licked, and sucked for 15 minutes . We all come, fun.

We go home and have more exchange of everything , we come again , fun.

However, we have one big concern .. getting an STD during ORAL.

- we hate condoms for intercourse, but would use them if/when "switching".
- oral condoms? , we have read some posts and other info, WE ARE NOT GOING TO USE THEM.

It doesn't seem possible to AVOID an STD (say Herpes or HPV) when you are licking, sucking, kissing, tonguing a new partner every month??!! And if the other couple is more active, then, HPV will come even quicker.

I've read HPV is most common in the vagina, BUT also anus, AND IN AND AROUND MOUTH / LIPS.


HPV - I know the body eventually rejects it, most woman in this lifestyle have had/have it. Guys can pass it on without knowing they have it.

BUT WHO wants little white bumps or tiny warts in their MOUTH until the body fights off all the reoccurances?!!!!!

Please don't say, "then it's not for you", "life has risks", "use a vaginal dam", etc. I know there are others that are concerned, but have decided to take the risk. Or do swingers say, HPV - No Big Deal, 12 months and it's primarily irrelevant? Or are the swingers still posting here the "lucky ones" that have rolled the dice and never gotten anything?

Thx

[Spoomonkey]

Originally Posted by ross_sally

Or are the swingers still posting here the "lucky ones" that have rolled the dice and never gotten anything?

Well - since this is the only response I can give, I guess this is us. We have been providing oral to discriminating playmates for about five years now and haven't caught a thing

And, yes, we have been checked recently.

After a while you realize that discernment is the best defense against disease. Pay attention to who you are playing with. Sure, we have passed on attractive couples before because we just didn't feel like they were a wise choice to make, but "staying clean" is a big deal to us - and mostly because we have friends that are also playmates and want nothing more than to be clean for them.

I'd feel worse about passing something than I would about catching it.

Once you realize that - while STDs are a risk and should be a concern - there is an awful lot of hype out there, you'll sleep better

Accept the risk, accept the responsibility to get yourself checked regularly and then just enjoy the experiences.

Five years in and clean as a whistle.

I guess we're lucky

Spoomonkey

[JustAskJulie]

Originally Posted by ross_sally

Please don't say, "then it's not for you", "life has risks", "use a vaginal dam", etc. I know there are others that are concerned, but have decided to take the risk. Or do swingers say, HPV - No Big Deal, 12 months and it's primarily irrelevant? Or are the swingers still posting here the "lucky ones" that have rolled the dice and never gotten anything?

Thx

not sure what answer is left.

[ross_sally]

Thanks for your thoughts and experiences.

I know I listed a lot, I was curious what your thoughts are about taking the risk on?

[Greg & Sheryl]

Originally Posted by ross_sally

Please don't say, "then it's not for you", "life has risks", "use a vaginal dam", etc. I know there are others that are concerned, but have decided to take the risk. Or do swingers say, HPV - No Big Deal, 12 months and it's primarily irrelevant? Or are the swingers still posting here the "lucky ones" that have rolled the dice and never gotten anything?

You've eliminated virtually every reasonable response. There is no way to reduce the risk to zero, so all swingers must decide whether the pleasure is worth the risk. We obviously feel that what we do is worth the risk, or we wouldn't be doing it.

[MRnMSbhaven]

Originally Posted by ross_sally

I guess we are headed to trying "soft" swinging.
Please don't say, "then it's not for you", "life has risks", "use a vaginal dam", etc. I know there are others that are concerned, but have decided to take the risk. Or do swingers say, HPV - No Big Deal, 12 months and it's primarily irrelevant? Or are the swingers still posting here the "lucky ones" that have rolled the dice and never gotten anything?
Thx

Where's the fun in that?

Facts are that most women who have had sexual relations with more than one partner have this or have had it. Most men do too. Most will never know. There's a reason they only give the vaccine to a certain age group.
It's up to you what you do with that information.

Ms. B

[C & J Ohio]

Originally Posted by ross_sally

HPV - I know the body eventually rejects it:

Is this true? If so I feel much better about the risks than I did before.

[Hott Times]

Originally Posted by MRnMSbhaven

Where's the fun in that?

Facts are that most women who have had sexual relations with more than one partner have this or have had it. Most men do too. Most will never know. There's a reason they only give the vaccine to a certain age group.
It's up to you what you do with that information.

Ms. B

Most people do not understand the true risks and facts of STI's. There are a lot of scare tactics being used to scare the teens not to start having sex or to stay faithful in a marriage. Up to 80% of the adult population have already been exposed to a type of herpes in their lifetime ie cold sore or fever blisters are a type of herpes, chickenpox illness (not getting the vaccine), type 2 herpes. Vast majority of people do not have outbreaks and most do not know if or when they have been exposed to type 2 herpes.
As far as the HPV virus, there is the HPV vaccine that covers only 5-7 of the close to 90 strains of the HVP that are out there. Why only a few of the strains? Because these strains are the ones that have been linked to causing cervical cancer. All the rest have not. As far as why only certain ages of girls are getting the vaccine, it is an availability game. There are not nearly enough doses of the vaccine to give to all sexually active woman in the US. Insurance companies will not pay for the vaccine outside the narrow range but any medical provider can give the vaccine- you would have to pay the price yourself though. Ask for it and pay the price. My partner is now getting the 3 dose vaccine per the regular schedule but is certainly beyond the age range.
Watch over the years. The age range of woman who can get the vaccine will expand as availability and insurance coverage will expand. There is a large study also going on outside the US about providing the vaccine to men also.
The HIV virus is the scary one for us. Luckily the virus dies easily with exposure to the air and saliva has been shown to also kill the virus. Still scary though. Don't have a good answer for this though.
You just have to weight the risks and benefits of being completely safe vs being in the LS. Most of us have done so and feel the fun and benefits far outwieght the small but present risks of this lifestyle. Remember risks of getting hurt in a car accident increase when speeding, but how many of us speed sometimes when driving.

[ross_sally]

Thanks all for your info and thoughts!

Just don't want little white bumps or tiny warts in my mouth from oral.

Sorry to bring it up, but I went to a couple of STD sites for info on Herpes and HPV and some folks in those forums were looking for help with possible symptoms, or support when they found out they had it. If over 50% of woman have HPV, it doesn't seem like it would take many "adventures" to get mouth warts. Shame, because I love to .....

On the bright side, a good immune system appears to fight off re-occurances IF contracted.

[prettylady]

Originally Posted by ross_sally

- oral condoms? , we have read some posts and other info, WE ARE NOT GOING TO USE THEM.

Have you ever had a condom in your mouth? I don't care what the package says, they DO NOT taste like cherries.

I will choose my partners carefully and not use a condom with oral. I love cherries, and the condom almost ruined my treats for me.

Your friend,
Prettylady