protocal for oral - safety, precautions

[toadly]

any recommendation for oral play as far as safety precautions? what is the norm? condoms, no condoms

[twohots4u2]

My partner will not go down on a guy unless he wears a condom. I think that is a great idea. However, not so simple when she lets a guy go down on her, or I go down on another woman. So far, we have not used any protection for oral sex with a woman. The female condoms or saran wrap seem awkward. Is there anything better available?

[intuition897]

Originally Posted by twohots4u2

Is there anything better available?

Pick your partners carefully and go without?

Most couples we've heard from on this subject tend to not use condoms for oral, but will use them for anal or vaginal intercourse. The diseases that are most commonly spread by oral sex are not typically protected against by condom use anyhow, so most people just choose their partners with care, and go without. Condoms, I think, are primarily used to prevent the spread of such diseases as AIDS, gonorrhea, syphilis, etc., and as an extra measure to prevent pregnancy. They only reduce the risk, however, but do not eliminate it.

Swingers operate within this level of acceptable risk. You'll need to decide for yourself just how safe you want to be.

[Sandyb]

Medical point of view ……no one should take risk. The price one will pay is horrible…..
I think it’s better to use condom. I rectify ….one must use condom.

The rule No Glove No fun……is very important to not risk ones life

But?????????????????????

Will Oral with condom on gives a pleasure to both partners? It may become barrier I feel.

How to solve this dilemma?

[BruceAnn]

Ann would not do a blowjow with a condom and this is something we had discussed before doing anything. She loves doing blowjobs, it really turns her on with a partner she chooses, but with a condom, never

[Concupiscence]

I don't think that I could stand the taste of the latex but sheesh what does a person do when you are in a group situation?

[Tantra]

For us it's oral without a condom and intercourse with a condom.

I think most people we come across have good hygiene and disease free so we're not too worried. For intercourse we insist on using a condom though - although we wouldn't be completely against the idea of going without ... but only with the right, very trusted couple.

[meandher2go]

Originally Posted by Tantra

For us it's oral without a condom and intercourse with a condom.

SAME here

[Bad Sandy]

oral with a condom hadn't occured to me... hmmm, something to ponder. We still haven't taken the big step yet, so I'm pondering everything! LOL

[stangstud36]

I definately agree with choosing your partners carefully. For oral sex I don't usually use protecting but definately for vagina and anal. It is very unlikely and for the most part you are not going to contract HIV from oral sex unless open wounds are involved.

[lott]

You can use beyond seven condoms for oral as well as vaginal. They are ultra thin and strong. They also have a skin like feel to them. I've heard that even though they are made from latex they don't seem to bother some people who have a reaction to condoms made from latex.

They don't really have a smell and taste so this should be perfect for you.

Here's the site:http://beyondsevencondoms.com/htmls/products.htm

As far as contacting std's from oral sex, I used think because hiv is hard to get from oral that it isn't a problem as far as catching std's BUT reading and having people confide in me their secrets, for whatever reason, gives me access to information that I didn't realize which is A LOT of people pass herpes through oral sex as well as chlamydia and gonorrhea.

I thought at first that it could have been that they recieved these std's because they had vaginal/anal sex after oral but a lot of them told me they just had oral and these were men AND women.

I also found out a lot of symtpoms that were once thought to be from std's come from bacteria in the mouth. This is known as urethitis.

Here's an article about this subject:http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medi...p?newsid=35753

[lost_j1]

Safe Sex all the time period. Don't listen to the fools saying no condom for oral, but okay for vaginal or anal. STD's can pass as easy into your mouth then any other part of your body. Please, please check out some of the STD sites with picture of the mouth contracted STD's!!! STD's in groin area can be covered up and not seen in public, but go ahead and get the crap in your mouth and try to cover it up. I don't think so. Once you get a creepy crawlie in your blood system its yours for LIFE. Think about it for LIFE, LIFE!!!! If your in the 20's or 30's and want have children you can pass it along to your children. HPV, Hep A & B, HIV, STD's you name it can pass olong to your children..... And for what because you didn't want to use safe sex..... LIFE is a long time for some...... So go a head and listen to the older crowd in here that had their kids or don't want kids, don't use safe sex.... What do they have to lose????????

[good times]

Originally Posted by lost_j1

Safe Sex all the time period. Don't listen to the fools saying no condom for oral, but okay for vaginal or anal. STD's can pass as easy into your mouth then any other part of your body. Please, please check out some of the STD sites with picture of the mouth contracted STD's!!! STD's in groin area can be covered up and not seen in public, but go ahead and get the crap in your mouth and try to cover it up. I don't think so. Once you get a creepy crawlie in your blood system its yours for LIFE. Think about it for LIFE, LIFE!!!! If your in the 20's or 30's and want have children you can pass it along to your children. HPV, Hep A & B, HIV, STD's you name it can pass olong to your children..... And for what because you didn't want to use safe sex..... LIFE is a long time for some...... So go a head and listen to the older crowd in here that had their kids or don't want kids, don't use safe sex.... What do they have to lose????????

It seems like lately I am a one-issue poster, but when I read something like this I have to say something and the condom issue seems to be a popular one around here lately.

If you think you are significantly safer when using condoms, by all means, go ahead and use them, but if you actually read the research, you will find out that you are not as protected by condoms as you think. It is true that the "conventional wisdom" says that you are less at risk to contract many STD's if you use condoms. On the other hand, no one has said that it reduces your risk to zero and very few say that it reduces your risk substantially. The fact is, it depends on which STD you are talking about but at best condoms have been proven to provide a slight to moderate reduction in risk against known STD’s. So if you think that condoms are a total shield against contracting an STD, then who is the fool? I am not saying this to try to convince someone not to use condoms, as that is an individual decision one has to make for themselves. It does annoy me though when people loudly perpetuate the "safe sex" myth that condoms will protect you against all STD’s, when the reality is, in most cases they will not. Go ahead, go back and read those sights you referred to, I would be willing to bet that they say "Condoms will reduce the risk of contracting (fill in the name of the STD here)", I have never seen one say that condoms will eliminate the risk. Therefore, even the most optimistic condom proponent can only really say that using condoms is "safer sex", but to call it "safe sex" implies that you have no risk when using condoms, which, while it is a very comfortable fantasy, is just not true.

[lost_j1]

Clap, Clap, Clap Mabye I just give people more credit. If you think condoms are going to stop all STD's and what nots, then yes, you need to research it some more. That is not what I said I implied that using condoms is safe sex, not YOU WILL NOT CONTRACT ANYTHING. I give people some credit when the condom issue comes in to play. The only Safe Sex is no Sex!! Condoms give a better chance then none when it comes to STD's.. We all have heard I was wearing a condom and got pregnant story atleast once in our life time.

To help you understand why it's important to use condoms (rubbers, prophylactics) to help reduce the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. These diseases include AIDS, chlamydia, genital herpers, genital warts, gonorrhea, hepatitis B, and syphilis. You can get them through having sex -- vaginal, anal, or oral. The surest way to avoid these diseases is to not have sex altogether (abstinence). Another way is to limit sex to one partner who also limits his or her sex in the same way . Condoms are not 100% safe, but if used properly, will reduce the risk of sexually transmitted diseases, including AIDS. Protecting yourself against the AIDS virus is of special concern becuase this disease is fatal and has no cure. About two-thirds of the people with AIDS in the United States got the disease during sexual intercourse with an infected partner. Experts believe that many of these people could have avoided the disease by using condoms. Condoms are used for both birth control and reducing the risk of disease. That's why some people think that other forms of birth control -- such as the IUD, diaphragm, cervical cap or pill -- will protect them against diseases, too. But that's not true. So if you use any other form of birth control, you still need a condom in addition to reduce the risk of getting sexually transmitted diseases. A condom is especially important when an uninfected pregnant woman has sex, because it can also help protect her and her unborn child from a sexually transmitted disease. With sexually transmitted diseases, you often can't tell whether your partner has been infected. If you're not sure about yourself or your partner, you should choose to not have sex at all. But if you do have sex, be sure to use a condom that covers the entire penis to reduce your risk of being infected. This includes oral sex where the penis is in contact with the mouth. The package should say that the condoms are to prevent disease. If the package doesn't say anything about preventing disease, the condoms may not provide the protection you want, even though they may be the most expensive ones you can buy. Novelty condoms will not say anything about either disease prevention or pregnancy prevention on the package. They are intended only for sexual stimulation, not protection. Condoms which do not cover the entire penis are not labeled for disease prevention and should not be used for this purpose. For proper protection, a condom must unroll to cover the entire penis. This is another good reason to read the label carefully

[good times]

I don't entirely disagree with you; I just disagree with you in degree. In other words, you believe condoms provide much more protection than I do.

Since you gave a couple of examples, I will follow your lead here.

Herpes is transmitted by touch. You can get it by kissing, touching, even using a towel that someone with herpes used before you. Condoms provide almost zero protection from Herpes, yet, if you believe the statistics, it is probably the most common STD someone is likely to come in contact with.

Originally Posted by lost_j1

About two-thirds of the people with AIDS in the United States got the disease during sexual intercourse with an infected partner. Experts believe that many of these people could have avoided the disease by using condoms.

I have seen this same claim, and can not agree or disagree with it (because the research data does not prove nor disprove this claim). Yet, if you read the studies, you find that they are pretty sure that most of these people got AIDs through anal sex. The rest of them claimed they got it from vaginal sex and the experts say that this is possible. Additionally, if a person has another STD with open sores (like an active Herpes outbreak), they are then at high risk of contracting AIDs if they have vaginal sex with someone who has it. For those of us that do not have other STD's and do not do anal sex the risk of getting AIDs is very low, whether we use a condom or not. In fact, it is several orders of magnitude lower risk than the chance we will get HPV or Herpes while using a condom if the person we are having sex with is actively shedding the virus.

So is the risk of contracting an STD less if you use condoms? Absolutely, but how much less, 10% less, 90% less? From what I have read, it appears much closer to the 10% end of the scale than to the 90% end. Therefore, were I concerned that my sex partners had STD's I would definitely not have sex with them. Fortunately, I have yet to meet a married couple who I was willing to have sex with that had an STD, so I think my chances of coming in contact with one are pretty slim. Of course, some will say that I could have come in contact and not known. This is true, and I believe it is the main thing we have to consider when we make our choices and evaluate our risk. However, if I thought that I was at risk enough that I had to rely on condoms to protect me, I would not be swinging. To me, relying on condoms to protect you from STD's through sex, is about as reliable as playing with matches in bed and relying on being able to spit enough to put the resultant fire out, relying on either one alone will most likely get you burned in the end.

In my opinion the best defense is to read, read, read. Study everything you can get your hands on. Look at the pictures (I know they are pretty gross), educate yourself to the point that you will know an STD when you see one. For added protection, if you feel it is warranted, use a condom, but I wouldn't rely on it too much.