Do you swing Bareback?

[Atilla]

How many of you actually do it??? This thread is inspired by the creampie post in Fetishes. After reading some of the comments, it made me wonder where safe sex is these days and how many people actually use safe sex.

Yeah, I'd love to go bareback too but unless we're meeting people who we have no doubts are safe, I'm not going there. There's too much STDs to worry about.

Thoughts and comments please

[intuition897]

Mr. intuition and I have done it Atilla, but only with one couple. It was an ongoing relationship with them, and we felt very comfortable with them. It's certainly not something we'd try without a LOT of discussion beforehand, nor with people we didn't know. It's a scary world out there. I mean, hey! I'm all for bareback if you can do it without the risk of contracting something...especially something potentially deadly. Condoms bite the big one, but they're a helluva lot better than spending your last hours in the CPU wishing you'd used one.

[ALilOEverything]

We only have once with a couple we've known for years who didn't swing until us. Otherwise I don't know we would have considered it. I don't feel like I'm losing that much by having a condom used (but then again I'm not the guy) so the benefits outweigh the risks. Even though the chances are small of contracting something I would never forgive myself and I would never be able to go back and do it over again.

[CandTinLorainCo]

Originally Posted by intuition897

Mr. intuition and I have done it Atilla, but only with one couple. It was an ongoing relationship with them, and we felt very comfortable with them. It's certainly not something we'd try without a LOT of discussion beforehand, nor with people we didn't know. It's a scary world out there. I mean, hey! I'm all for bareback if you can do it without the risk of contracting something...especially something potentially deadly. Condoms bite the big one, but they're a helluva lot better than spending your last hours in the CPU wishing you'd used one.

Exactly........ T and I were going bareback with a couple we had a long Vanilla relationship with, then out of pregnecy concerns, we decided to go with condoms again, well now no more pregnency concerns were back to barebacking again. That though being said, our relationship with these people has been there for years and niether one has done anything to warrent a disease concern, if we swing with another whom we don't have this one of akind relationship with, then its condom city for us again.

-C

[tribbles]

I would never forgive myself and I would never be able to go back and do it over again.

Lilo,
Since the risk is only less, but not 0% even with a condom, I think it's important to plan ahead how to cope with the possibility of catching something. If I can't forgive myself when thinking it could happen, it would be worse if it does.

The risk is real and we have agreed to take the risk and forgive and cope if it occurs. Otherwise the fallout in our relationship would be too costly and we should stop swinging now, IMHO.

BTW, we do insist on condoms, but as other threads say, HSV and HPV aren't totally stopped by one.
D is one of 5 children, 3 of them were concieved thru condoms. I guess he is suppose to be here!

[ALilOEverything]

Originally Posted by tribbles

Lilo,
Since the risk is only less, but not 0% even with a condom, I think it's important to plan ahead how to cope with the possibility of catching something. If I can't forgive myself when thinking it could happen, it would be worse if it does.

I'm willing to take the risk as life isn't without it's risks. But if I caught something and new that I could have lessen the chance I'm sure I would replay it in my mind over and over... why didn't I take chances to reduce it. It's like riding in a car. I'm going to ride in one regardless, but I'm going to buckle up to make sure that it's as safe as possible. If I got in a wreck I would never be able to go back and put that seat belt on.

Nothing is 100%, but why not make it as close to that while still living life.

[BradAndJanet]

We've done it with people we have grown to know and trust.

-B

[cmwgimmekiss]

I agree. Every little bit helps. We always use something to reduce the risks as much as possible. We also had one couple where we decided to go without because we were both using condoms with everyone else. Now we are in a foursome relationship so we don't use them with our BF/GF, but with everyone else - they're required.

[confunktion]

We've only gone without with a couple that we had a long relationship with, and that decision was made after a few months of encounters with protection. It was a decision that all four of us made together, so the level of trust needed was reached. We have no problem whatsoever with those who prefer to use something; as long as everyone is in agreement, we roll with it.

Mr. Funk
Ride 'em, cowgirl/boy

[Atilla]

we've never ever done it without a condom. We take condoms just in case the people we're meeting don't have. But after reading the creampie post, it really made me wonder.

[Paul&Audrey]

Bareback is pretty much a must for the type of fun Baremama & I are into. She usually runs a potential partner through the grinder as she gets to know them before ever allowing them to join us for FFM pleasures.

~~bare~~

[Brizzle]

(quote)She usually runs a potential partner through the grinder as she gets to know them...

- Does that usually include testing? Or does anybody get tested regulary just in case? I know of several people that will require their new partner to get tested before any activity is performed. Just one way to try and lower the risks...

[Paul&Audrey]

Originally Posted by Brizzle

(quote)She usually runs a potential partner through the grinder as she gets to know them...

- Does that usually include testing? Or does anybody get tested regulary just in case? I know of several people that will require their new partner to get tested before any activity is performed. Just one way to try and lower the risks...

Not each & every one of them.

[Atilla]

Originally Posted by Brizzle

(quote)She usually runs a potential partner through the grinder as she gets to know them...

- Does that usually include testing? Or does anybody get tested regulary just in case? I know of several people that will require their new partner to get tested before any activity is performed. Just one way to try and lower the risks...

but on this note, the tests may not come back positive yet and they actually have something. Sometimes it takes a while for the STD to build up enough to be detected by a test. This isn't even safe. For example, if you slept with someone who later told you they had Hepatitis, you could go rush out and get the test done the next day but it would be negative. Further down the road, it would be positive.

I guess originally I was just trying to figure out what these people who were posting responses to the creampie post were thinking of. Were they just posting that it would be fantasy for them to do that OR are they actually stupid enough to do that?

[highlander]

Originally Posted by Atilla

but on this note, the tests may not come back positive yet and they actually have something. Sometimes it takes a while for the STD to build up enough to be detected by a test.

Conventional tests will get anyone who has been infected more than 6 months ago. Actually _most_ folks infected the last 6 months will show up. So the question is : what percent of folks that are HIV+ got it the last 6 months?
Right now, that would be around 2.4% (there are 1 million HIV+ folks in the US and something like 40,000 new cases. The problem is those folks are exceptionally contagious-and a single encounter with them has a much higher chance of tranmission than with someone who has had the disease a while.

They've recently introduced some newer tests in San Francisco and North Carolina. Those tests will catch infection after 10 days(the name of the test is NAAT).

Now, here's the implication for bareback swinging:
most swingers don't play outside their relationship _that_ often(I know some do every weekend, but they are exceptional). Furthermore, lots of folks play in the same general circle. Also, the odds of _two_ folks lying about what has gone on the last 10 days is a lot less than one person lying. So there is now a technology that makes bareback swinging in a club setting much safer if used consistently(say everyone in the club gets tested ever 2-3 months).

Now, you can also make swinging with condoms safer by introducing testing as an additional measure-and swinging with testing alone won't be as safe ass swinging with both testing and condoms.