Do you swing Bareback?

Bareback is fun, but it can be even more of a headache. I agree with nearly everything said, as far as protecting oneself goes. I had up until my current bareback fest with my gal, only gone bareback once with an ex. I took my life in my hands, but the rush was incredible. An incredible rush that I now understand I don't need. I have found other safer and legal ways to get a similar type of rush in excitement. However, I knew going in what to expect from my gal. I knew to expect to contract hsv/hpv, and it's a decision I don't regret.

The only thing we ever used condoms for was preventing pregnancy. She has a 5 year IUD now, since condoms (when we used them) were annoying, creme was messy, and pulling out wasn't as fun as flooding the scene. It also cut down the pleasure for me pulling out. Condoms didn't really take much away from the experience for me, so if we ever do find a couple who is infected as we are, then I will adourn them again. We've met some people locally, been invited to parties we could not attend, etc, even with the status on our profile. However, we have not yet found someone to share our bed as of yet. We watch porn with friends, give massages, masturbate in front of one another occasionally (mostly my gal and a friend while I am at work on 3rd), etc, but nothing more than vanilla acts. Everyone we adore either is afraid of even kissing (which we understand), is just not a sexual person even though they're curious about a relationship (issues they need to work out in themselves before they commit to someone else), or are off limits even if they also have hsv or hpv (uisually their kids/job makes it difficult). Often those we adore don't have both hsv types, and/or hpv. or our friendship is too valuable to potentially lose. We're not very good newbie swingers it seems. lol

So, as a young man with only two woman penetrated under his belt, wielding as sensitive a cock as anyone else, I do believe going without condoms has no excuse unless you know you want to draw a disease into yourself. Until you are ok with getting a disease, as I was, then you should wrap it up if you want to play, with one woman/man, or many. I'm all for bareback in the right cases, or I would be wrapping right now. I don't intend to go bareback with anyone else, as my new gifts are quite enough. I've not shown any major symptoms yet, but I know I've gathered them by now. If everyone went in to an act thinking they would get a disease without a rubber, then there would simply be less chance of running into them. My gal wouldn't have gotten 3 fun diseases from 2 guys that she thought she knew well enough to trust. At least I can join her in her agony, and truly share her pain, even if I am not as much at risk for cancer as she is. *grumble* It's always more unfair for the women, isn't it?

Sorry to babble.

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[Atilla]

Originally Posted by Paul&Audrey

Bareback is pretty much a must for the type of fun Baremama & I are into. She usually runs a potential partner through the grinder as she gets to know them before ever allowing them to join us for FFM pleasures.

~~bare~~

But what if that partner doesn't know that they have something yet? HIV can go undected by blood tests for a year. just giving them a good drilling isn't enough nowadays. But how can you ethically ask for medical documentation that they are clean.

There's always a risk even with condom usage

[highlander]

Originally Posted by Atilla

But what if that partner doesn't know that they have something yet? HIV can go undected by blood tests for a year. just giving them a good drilling isn't enough nowadays. But how can you ethically ask for medical documentation that they are clean.

There's always a risk even with condom usage

The newer tests are accurate 10-14 days after infection.

These tests are available at:

http://www.aim-med.org/testbymail.html

Now, even if a partner has a recent negative test result they might have been infected very recently-but the risk of that is fairly small-as is the risk of them transmitting it to someone before their next test(say if they get tested every 30-90 days).

Condoms and testing both carry risks. You can minimize that risk by using both.

[Greg & Sheryl]

Originally Posted by Atilla

...how can you ethically ask for medical documentation that they are clean?

We are familiar with several couples who make this a requirement for their potential playmates. Just be upfront with other couples about this issue, and be prepared to show your own tests.

Originally Posted by Atilla

There's always a risk even with condom usage.

This is very true, so whether a couple decides to swap bareback, swap with condoms, or not swap at all, every couple has to decide the level of risk they are willing to take in this lifestyle.

[BiDrywallChick]

We have gone bare back a time or two.. for me, I have to know the couple really well for that. Its just my preferance. MR BDC doesnt like condoms. However, he does use them if the couple/woman prefers. I am not a pregancy concern since I have had my tubes all but yanked out.. Mr. BDC is fertile though.. So, for us condoms are more of a birth control than an STD factor.

As far as the STD factor, since the people we have played with, we have known really well, it wasnt a big deal. That sounds kinda relaxed but it really isnt for us. However, we still get STD testing done every 6 months just to stay on that groove. We made it a habit and it has stuck with us. As for asking or being asked for documentation.. we cal always provide it for anyone who is interested if and only if we are hitting it off and looks promising to play. We dont ask everyone we chat with or meet to provide that to us since it is very personal

[jessicat78]

Jess and I bareback with trusted playmates.

[Brian and Jo]

We go bareback when we are playing with our regular group of six couples. We have all known each other for many years and we all trust each other to use condoms when we are playing outside the group.

[AskMeOk]

Originally Posted by Brian and Jo

We go bareback when we are playing with our regular group of six couples. We have all known each other for many years and we all trust each other to use condoms when we are playing outside the group.

Pretty much the same here.

Though, I'll offer this:
We were once invited to a "bareback house party" [house rules]. We looked at each other with that deer-in-the-headlights/WTF look for a while and then I went to check the guest list. To make a l-o-n-g story short, it was heavily loaded with folks we considered big risk takers. We didn't go. In fact, we eliminated some folks from out potential play list because of the risks assumed by association with some of those play partners....

So, bareback my not be intrinsically bad, but it does draw some folks that get that adrenaline rush from pushing the limits. Be sure you know, understand, are comfortable with, and manage your level of risk....

[LFM2]

Originally Posted by Atilla

we've never ever done it without a condom. We take condoms just in case the people we're meeting don't have.

We're the exact same way. We just don't. I know life is full of risks, but I that's just something I don't want to risk.

[MN Tom]

Was just perusing some profiles/blogs on a local website and came across a person who mentioned something about this one time being their first bareback experience , yet their profile is almost all bareback with only a few condom shots.

Just think it's funny. I know there is a stigma and it's why people wont readily admit to it, but sheesh. At least if you plan on saying "oh yeah we use condoms 99% of the time" dont have pages of pics on your profile with several different guys all barebacking.

And no, Im not making a judgement against it. It's up to everyone to make their own choice if they want to wear a condom or not.

For us it's technically an option, if we have a long term partner, both get tested, and have confidence that the shared pool of partners is very limited. We havent come across that situation yet, but it's possible and maybe someday we will.

[Lascivious L&L]

There have been many shoulds in this thread and several if you don't you're stupid. But there has been no discussion of the actual risk of HIV from bareback. What is the risk of meeting an HIV infected person in the lifestyle? What is the risk of getting infected with HIV from a single fuck?

HIV is not a death sentence. Some in this thread seem to be in the dark ages regarding their attitudes. It certainly is a most serious infection, but no longer a death sentence. Of course life itself is a death sentence...

We are barebackers. Sex with a condom is not great sex for us. We wouldn't swing if we expected only fair to good sex, and that describes condom sex for us. We don't swing often. We haven't done parties or more than two other couples together. We're low key in our swinging.