Safe Sex & Herpes

[imsnowman]

Hey dreamer,
If you don't mind, let us know what you decide to do and how it goes for you both.

[dreamer]

Originally Posted by imsnowman

Hey dreamer,
If you don't mind, let us know what you decide to do and how it goes for you both.

Thanks for helping me out with the info everybody. We're still trying to formulate a strategy. I've come up with this idea for a full latex body spray that will function as a full body condom (just kidding) We've only had one very soft exp. with another couple years ago (Basically just had sex with our own wives in front of each other) Yeah, I know. yippie. we're walkin on the wild side. We're trying to decide if it's even worth the risk, and if all the boudaries would just take the fun out of it. We've been only with each other for more than 12 years, so we're definitly clean, and our sex is stupendous. It would probably be a thrill for her just to dance naked at the Red Rooster.

[DBL D]

Hey Dreamer,

Just wanted to say that we have done everything orally UN-protected. Any penile penetrations, vaginally or anally, we have had has been protected and have come down with nothing STD-wise.

If you are clean and your partners have lived as you two have then you are most likely not going to have any problems.

Like we have said, there is a risk to anything you do. Like Ves has said, nothing you are likely to get is fatal or can't be addressed. Aids is nearly nonexistant in our lifestyle.

Don't spray yourself with anything unless it's the Orange & Black of the S.F. Giants!

Male D

[dreamer]

Thanks for input DBL D, How long have you been doing this with your decribed boundaries?

[Dr Jekyll]

BTW, how many of those posting on this thread has ever been tested for any of the non-life threatening STD's?

As Julie rightfully said, you can't test effectively for Herpes (for example), how do you know YOU'RE clean to start with? Simply being asymptomatic means nothing in the world of STDs...

Ok here goes: I took a course on STD'S in college. Genital Herpes: Most men have almost no signs or symptoms at all, slight burning while urinating, slight ichiness. Women however will have some swelling, ichiness, sores, then the drying out and flakiness. You can only "catch" Herpes when you have an open wound of ANY kind come into contact with a sore. A Herpes out break can last anywhere from 7 to 10 days (the actual sores). Urination during an outbreak can be extremely painful and at times may require hospitalization. It is suggested that you let the affected area get plenty of air. Medication can reduce the length of the outbreak, However there is NO cure for this disease.
Things that can trigger an outbreak include:
Over exposure to the sun
Stress
Menstrual Cycle
When you are not having an active outbreak of the Herpes Virus it lays dormant in the base of your spine where it is UNdetectable by any tests. The outbreak can occur on your penis, vaginal area, or rectally.
So, I hope this answers some questions. Probably more info than you needed huh?

[DBL D]

In golf, "Less Is More".

In swinging, "More Is More".

You can never have enough information...as long as it's good info.

You've shown folk what signs to look for and if they are honest people they'll stop swinging without protection.

What are the chances of contracting it? Can a husband or wife somehow give it to each other without the outside aid of another person? What is its' cause? I just have trouble believing it's a problem the way that most people swing with someone they sorta know. Like has been said before: everything has a risk to it.

Are people so wacked out that they think that if they give you herpes you'll only have to play with them or something?

Male D

[DBL D]

Originally Posted by dreamer

Thanks for input DBL D, How long have you been doing this with your decribed boundaries?

We had our first encounter last March and have swapped with 6 couples for a total of 7 times altogether. Using condoms for intercourse, of course!

Male D

[sewfish11]

Originally Posted by smileytattoo

Ok here goes: I took a course on STD'S in college. Genital Herpes: Most men have almost no signs or symptoms at all, slight burning while urinating, slight ichiness. Women however will have some swelling, ichiness, sores, then the drying out and flakiness. You can only "catch" Herpes when you have an open wound of ANY kind come into contact with a sore. A Herpes out break can last anywhere from 7 to 10 days (the actual sores). Urination during an outbreak can be extremely painful and at times may require hospitalization. It is suggested that you let the affected area get plenty of air. Medication can reduce the length of the outbreak, However there is NO cure for this disease.
Things that can trigger an outbreak include:
Over exposure to the sun
Stress
Menstrual Cycle
When you are not having an active outbreak of the Herpes Virus it lays dormant in the base of your spine where it is UNdetectable by any tests. The outbreak can occur on your penis, vaginal area, or rectally.
So, I hope this answers some questions. Probably more info than you needed huh?

Unfortunately your information is pretty outdated.

You can catch herpes without any visible sores. There are several days out of the year where the skin contains the virus and can pass to another person if skin to skin contact is made.

Also, everyone here has failed to mention that you CAN be tested for HSV Antibodies in your system. There are 2 types of HSV. Type 1 & Type 2. If you have one of them (ie. cold sores on the mouth (type 1)), it does lower your chances of picking up the other type (genital).

You can get genital on the mouth, or oral on the genitals. However, each type does prefer it's specific location.

I've been HSV positive for 2 years and I've only had one small outbreak (I'm male) about 6 months after contracting it. My current girlfriend has had one outbreak about a year ago with no further complications.

For the most part, it's been a very minor inconvience in our lives. And yes, 1 in 4 people have the virus and most don't know they do. I didn't until I went and got blood tested.

Do a search for healthcheckusa. You can get herpes tested for about $80 I think.

[imsnowman]

Originally Posted by sewfish11

There are several days out of the year where the skin contains the virus and can pass to another person if skin to skin contact is made.

Also, everyone here has failed to mention that you CAN be tested for HSV Antibodies in your system. There are 2 types of HSV. Type 1 & Type 2. If you have one of them (ie. cold sores on the mouth (type 1)), it does lower your chances of picking up the other type (genital).

From what I've read the only times you're infectious is IF you've had an outbreak. Then for a few days after the outbreak you might be infectious but not necessarily.

Also, the serum test is apparently inaccurate to a certain degree.

[Aadaria]

Gotta pipe in my .02 since I actually have the disease and boy did I have it (talk about the first outbreak.. 70+ lesions.. hurt like hell, getting the culture done wasn't any more comfortable).

Just a little background info, since I don't mind telling it, I've only slept with 3 guys to date - I don't swing yet as this (the STD) and my LDR keep me from wanting to venture into that area. I've been with my current boyfriend for 3 years and he doesn't have it - go figure, we don't use condoms.

I contracted the disease from guy #2 and he didn't even know he had it - I didn't even know I had it until I had an outbreak 1 year later after being quite involved with the current SO. We did use a condom, btw.

I must admit that for the first month to 3 months after finding out about it, I had some major psychological problems - what's wrong with me, why me, how, etc. But You come to live with it. It isn't something that's ever going to go away and seriously, after the first outbreak, the majority of people don't experience a reaccurance.

If they do it's usually one or two lesions, they hurt, but they're gone within 10 days without medication. I've had Herpes for 3 years now, I haven't had an outbreak in 2. Personally, it's like getting a cold and I tend to treat it like that.

I agree that people should be more informed about the risks and the possibilities of contracting it, but you also shouldn't be scared out of your skin from it - it's here and as a number of people have spouted percentages it's not going away anytime soon.

[tribbles]

http://my.webmd.com/hw/genital_herpes/hw264763.asp

http://www.aim-med.org/
We live close enough for a trip to AIM and had the blood test for HSV-2 done last summer...$60.

We plan to be very careful but truthfully, it's more dangerous on the freeways, IMHO.

[DBL D]

I've been wanting to say this all along: Us people are CLEAN! All you folks who say you got something "one time", did you get it from a swinging partner? Are you sure? Are you sure you didn't pass along something to a swing partner that you may have picked up from someone who wasn't a swinger? I'm tellin' ya, the odds are way below nat'l average for us swingers. Have you guys heard of some epidemic that's sweeping through the ranks of the swinging population?

As swingers, we all practice safe sex by knowing who we're dealing with.

I'm done! I think!

Male D

[imsnowman]

Originally Posted by DBL D

I've been wanting to say this all along: Us people are CLEAN! All you folks who say you got something "one time", did you get it from a swinging partner? Are you sure? Are you sure you didn't pass along something to a swing partner that you may have picked up from someone who wasn't a swinger? I'm tellin' ya, the odds are way below nat'l average for us swingers. Have you guys heard of some epidemic that's sweeping through the ranks of the swinging population?

As swingers, we all practice safe sex by knowing who we're dealing with.

I'm done! I think!

Male D

I think your tongue was also very firmly lodged in your cheek wasn't it.

[DBL D]

Originally Posted by imsnowman

I think your tongue was also very firmly lodged in your cheek wasn't it.

For the last statement? Yeah...does sound strange huh? What I think I meant was that you are going to take a chance in what ever you might do. I'm saying the chances are less with the swinging population than in general...use whatever term for "general" you like. Except celibates!

I think you do get to know some people pretty well. I have a pretty sharp ear and eye and if something doesn't look right then it's a no go. There are some very wonderful people out there who are very safe. We think we're two of them. Doesn't mean we won't play with condoms. Just means that we are interested in getting to the point where we won't have to use them with some of our partners. That's what I meant by "knowing them".